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Bait and Switch with a touch of Fraud
Posted by Msrozz on 02/01/2010
This isn't the item posted in the auction but this is what I was sent
This isn't the item posted in the auction but this is what I was sent
FRESNO, CALIFORNIA -- This company is something else. They hold auctions on Proxibid, show a photo of the item you are suppose to be bidding on, but that isn't the item they send you. Instead, you get a broken version, incomplete version, smelly, dirty, dead insects, missing parts, broken parts, and not the items they showed in the auction photographs. Then, when they bill you, they do it in 2 separate billings; one thru Proxibid and the other thru PayPal. They do this so that if you decide to dispute the charge thru PayPal, they escalate it to a claim and since the dispute is regarding the quality or since you did receive something from them, PayPal automatically rules in their favor since it was not an Ebay auction. It's a way to circumvent the system to their advantage. I have published a blog that shows the emails sent from them to me and vice versa as well as photos showing what I was suppose to be bidding on and what I received instead. Also, as far as they are concerned, the matter is closed. As far as I'm concerned, this is just the beginning. I am posting this to each and every place I can find and reporting it to each and every agency I can find. A scam is a scam. Here is the link to my first blog and I will continue blogging until hell freezes over:

http://msrozz-complaints. blogspot.com/

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Posted by Anonymous on 2010-02-01:
It's a scam, yes... sounds like it.
But, not a bait and switch.
Posted by msrozz on 2010-02-01:
Yes it is a bait and switch when you don't receive what was pictured. Also, here is an update; they sent me an email and my response:


Here is an email I just received from them and my response to it:

Re: Proxibid Auction
Mon, February 1, 2010 3:02:56 PM
Rosalyn Newman
View Contact
To: A & W surplus
I only speak the truth. You are the ones that didn't send what you pictured in the auction. Have your attorney call mine.

From: A & W surplus
To: Rosalyn Newman
Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 3:00:27 PM
Subject: RE: Proxibid Auction

Due to your slanderous statements posted on the internet we will be having our attorney contact you. You are spreading slanderous lies because you failed to read what you were bidding on.
Thank you

A & W Surplus and Auctions
3330 N. Duke Ave
Fresno, CA 93727

Posted by jktshff1 on 2010-02-01:
What is it?
Posted by msnanny on 2010-02-01:
In retail sales, a bait and switch is a form of fraud in which the party putting forth the fraud lures in customers by advertising a product or service at an unprofitably low price, then reveals to potential customers that the advertised good is not available but that a substitute is.

Yours is a simple scam, not bait and switch.
Posted by Anonymous on 2010-02-01:
Just read your blog - couldn't get the comments to work.

Wow - the fact that they still haven't called you to discuss this matter shows they lack all honor. I will never even consider buying anything from A&W Surplus, and, for that matter, I'm not interested in Proxibid Auction, either. Don't forget to post this on PlanetFeedback.com.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2010-02-01:
What is it supposed to look like?
Posted by old fart on 2010-02-01:
Terrible picture... what the heck is it?
Posted by Skye on 2010-02-01:
What is that thing?
Posted by DebtorBasher on 2010-02-01:
No, a bait and switch is when someone advertises one thing, then tries to sell you a different,more expensive product. What you got was ripped off...they describe one item and sell you sell you an item that doesn't fit that discription...false advertising...This is a scam, plain and simple.
Posted by Skye on 2010-02-01:
Can someone PLEASE tell me what that is a photo of???
Posted by old fart on 2010-02-01:
It looks like a badly trashed portable radio...
Posted by Skye on 2010-02-01:
All I recognize is the Bose emblem.
Posted by Anonymous on 2010-02-01:
Ok...exactly WHAT did the auction say? Did you just look at the pictures and NOT read the auction? Having sold on Ebay for YEARS I can tell you this is as common as people NOT reading the fine print on anything then complaining later.
Posted by msrozz on 2010-02-03:
The auction stated that this is a Bose ipod dock. The item that was sent to me was not the item pictured. The item they pictured was intact, mine was not. Yes, I read the fine print and there was nothing there stating they would send a different product other than what was advertised.
Posted by msrozz on 2010-02-03:
Also, the large picture is of the Bose item that I received. The grill came off and you can see what was behind it, no speakers, cut wire and broken plastic.
Posted by msrozz on 2010-02-03:
I've just updated the blog and I think I did it right now, so comments can be added.
Posted by madconsumer on 2010-02-03:
i think Proxibid Auction's response is right on!!
Posted by Anonymous on 2010-02-03:
Mad me too. I would be really interested in seeing a link to the auction the OP bid on and received.

The OP says herself she called and emailed after hours. Then instead of waiting until the next day or next business day to give them a chance to respond jumped right into Paypal. Once you do that, all bets are off.
Posted by PepperElf on 2010-02-03:
their response was to threaten you with a lawyer over "slanderous comments" made online?

You know I've seen that before where the company screams "SLANDER!!!" and states that they will not help the customer until they retract the comments. Ironically, in the case of that other company, the owner was arrested for running scams just this week.

So just because they threaten you with a lawyer doesn't actually mean it's true. Hell it might not even be a real lawyer.

good luck though
Posted by msrozz on 2010-02-03:


Also, I did ask questions during the live auctions. If you notice in the photo with the ipod docks, the Bose in the photo isn't the one that I was sent. And, for the person that thinks Proxibid's stance is correct, I really don't understand that. Also, I received this crap right around 7pm from UPS. I don't know about you all but when an order is obviously not what you were suppose to get, you pay for it with all of the auction fees and shipping, you get dead insects, broken items, etc.; you want to speak to someone RIGHT THEN, not 3 days later. I called them long distance during the 5pm hour (their time) since Texas is 2 hours ahead of California. I also sent them an email, I then called and emailed Proxibid, then later that night I contacted PayPal. Like most people in this economy, I don't have money to waste. They did not send what was pictured in the auction.
Posted by msrozz on 2010-02-03:
Also, there was hardly any description on their part.
Posted by DebtorBasher on 2010-02-03:
It's not slander if what you are saying is true, they are trying to intimate you. If everything is as you said, stick to your guns....
Posted by PepperElf on 2010-02-03:
yeah that is NOT the image in the ad.
in the ad the unit has the screen still intact
Posted by Anonymous on 2010-02-04:
Well....they did tell you....Look at the Details page for that auction...it is pretty standard for all their auctions..It also lists the hours of operation so that any issues can be resolved during that time. The pic of the Bose system is there. It looks like the unit is upside down. They clearly say ALL items are salvage, untried and untested, if listed AS IS, which this auction was.


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• There are no returns, exchanges, or refunds.

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Any requests for bid retraction due to mis-keyed bids must be received by AWS in writing via email info@awsurplusauction.com, fax to 559-348-9428 or letter to the A & W Surplus, 3330 N Duke, Fresno, CA 93727, immediately upon discovery. Requests for bid retractions will not be honored if the request impacts subsequent bidding on the lot in question. An auto-bid that has already affected the current bidding on a lot cannot be retracted, but will be lowered to the last bid increment placed at the time the request was received. Requests should include the bidder information, and lot number(s) affected. NO BIDS WILL BE REMOVED WITHIN 24 HOURS OF AUCTION START!!

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Posted by msrozz on 2010-02-09:
Lady Scott, do you work for them or related or anything? Just wondering. Sorry, when a photo is one thing and what you get is something altogether different, well, that's a lie and that's cheating and that's a scam. People can try to hide behind the BS of legal mumbo jumbo but bottom line is "IT'S A LIE and IT'S A SCAM. Also, from another source that is working on this with me, it's been admitted by them; they knew what they were doing.
Posted by Anonymous on 2010-02-09:
How much did they nick you for this POS, Msrozz?
Posted by redmx3racer on 2010-02-09:
Ever hear of something being too good to be true? I'm assuming the OP researched the product in question. I can't quite make out which Bose IPOD dock in the auction picture, but they range from $299-$599 on Bose.com. The auction shows closed for $35. That big of a discount would make me wonder what the heck I would receive. It's not like the picture of the item at auction is particularly flattering. And no, OP, I don't work for this place and have never heard of it. I will, however, certainly avoid it.
Posted by Anonymous on 2010-02-09:
OP, someone pointing out the conditions that you clearly did not read does not mean they work for the company. $35 on a salvage auction is basically telling you you are buying junk. They tell you so in black and white. You just did not read it.
Posted by PepperElf on 2010-02-09:
normally i'd be be skeptical but...

i do have to agree with the OP on this. "as is" is nice, but if the "as is" picture shows a different condition than the actual product it can still be deception, especially if the "as is" writeup doesn't mention the damage.

kinda like when mom sold the old datsun. it was sold "as is" but mom was upfront about all of the issues the car had. The buyer blew it off until after the sale when he realized... Mom wasn't lying about the condition. He tried to threaten her but didn't get anywhere cos ... well, Mom had been specific about the condition with no hidden issues.
Posted by Anonymous on 2010-02-09:
Pepper, they had a picture of the unit. They never, in anything I read, said that the picture was the exact item. I read their description, which was listed in the details. It clearly states all items are salvage unless otherwise stated. Salvage means junk pretty much.

And look at it this way. Even had your mom not been up front. If she listed, say, a $40,000 car for $1000 wouldn't you reasonably guess the car is parts only?

Maybe I am just used to buying on Ebay. I never look at the picture only to bid. I read the entire auction and description, AND the return policy BEFORE I bid. Lots of people use stock photos since it takes time to photograph, host, and load on the net.
Posted by PepperElf on 2010-02-09:
mom covered her keyster on that one. she specifically said what was wrong so he couldn't go after her when he realized it was a crappy car.

granted i dont buy on ebay much.

i have seen some wicked evil scams tho - like the guy who sold a picture of an xbox 360, misleading people to think it was a real xbox and not a picture of one. they sided with him but after that they tightened their rules on stuff like that too.
Posted by msrozz on 2010-03-13:
UPDATE:I have been speaking with a representative with Proxibid. She said that her company was very sorry about this incident and wanted to make amends. They have offered to refund all of my expenses in this transaction and an sincere apology. They understood my frustration and dissatisfaction. This came from Proxibid, not A & W Surplus. A & W Surplus has yet to do anything about this and I strongly suspect they won't. Crooked is as crooked does. I will continue to do business with Proxibid, but I would advise anyone and everyone not to do business with A & W Surplus and Auctions.
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