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Buying a Lagotto Romagnolo in America Buyer Beware
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As a past owner of non-AKC breeds (as in the Lagotto) and AKC breeds, what concerns me is that the breeders in America do not seem to be using proven dogs. They are selling pups of upwards of $3,000 and skip out on the all the competitive Lagotto confirmation shows. Serious breeders from all over Europe, getting just $2,000 a pup, make the trek to many shows. This is very costly in terms of time and money. Thus is what they must do to prove their dogs and to insure the betterment of the breed.

Dogs who are not correct to standard should not be bred. The American Club should be modeling this behavior.

The president of the Lagotto Club states on her website one of her dogs is the IABCA (International All-Breed Canine Association) Champion. These shows seem to be only in America. How many other Lagotto showed up? My guess is 0. Why aren’t American breeders, especially the board of directors of the American Club, using true champions or investing in going to competitive shows? Many of their dogs might not do well.

If you want to ensure the bad genes are not continued, don’t support breeders (and pay more) who are not using correct dogs, and with A or B rated hips.

Championships and Hip ratings are all listed here: http://www.lagotto. hu/English/database.htm

Italian Breeders are listed here: http://www.lagottoromagnolo.org/allevatori.htm This is an Italian Breed.

A good breeder has champions, A or B hip rating on the parents, and also truffle hunts. You can purchase such a puppy for less than an American puppy including shipping.

When you email an Italian breeder in English, keep it short, so they can translate it well. An example is “Greetings. Do you have any puppies available?” Take it from there.

I believe that breeders who are dedicated to the betterment, and honoring the rustic tradition of the breed, and have PROVEN healthy and correct dogs, should be rewarded. Bad genes should not be continued.
     
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MDSasquatch on 07/08/2010:
Breeders should be banned; there are to many dogs in shelters to justify breeding more dogs for entertainment and egotistical showman.

Anonymous on 07/08/2010:
These show dog breeders are a bad lot. If the puppies don't match up to their standards, they are treated like trash. Dog shows should be banned.
momsey on 07/08/2010:
I agree with MDS. It makes me so angry to think about people spending thousands of dollars on a dog (or cat, for that matter) when there are so many fantastic animals in shelters and pounds.
biomajor on 07/08/2010:
I love my rescue pup chihuahua, and my Wal Mart parking lot mutt (AKA Yellow lab mix) :) I don't know anything about breed standards for any dog, but I also don't understand what you want them to do in regards to these shows. Do you want them to take their dogs to Italy? Are there shows here that would suffice? I wouldn't want to subject my dogs to that long of a trip in the hold of a plane. I think it would traumatize them. I had to look up this dog, and it's cute. It looks like a poodle puppy before it gets all pointy.
Mrs. V on 07/08/2010:
I used to show a blak/white basenji for a older woman who could no longer walk. Marlana (the dog) was the sweetest thing.

I learned quite a lot from these shows.

As in any profession or hobby there are some really good and nice people.
There is also some very, very nasty and evil people.

Most of the people that I dealt with treated their dogs very well. If they had a puppy that wasn't show quality they had it fixed and sold it as a pet (not for show).

Some, not a large percent (thank goodness) just had the puppies killed.

I learned that some people think that a 'show quality' dog will have less problems (truly not the case) and will pay the money for that piece of mind.

Some people bought them as a 'status symbol' much like one would buy a expensive car.

Some people bought them because they just loved that type of breed.
Nohandle on 07/08/2010:
Serious question here. Are you angry because the Lagotto breed is not recognized by the AKC? If so, thank you because I have a Rat Terrier. They aren't recognized either. The difference is I didn't pay for my dog, she was a toss out. I also have a Maine Coon cat, also a toss out. Both might have been lost animals, actually not toss outs, but I never could locate a previous owner. I ended up with both of them. Free, but they certainly have proven to be expensive. Nothing too good for my two pets.

I don't know what it takes for a particular breed to be recognized by the AKC so perhaps your gripe should be with them. There will always be unsavory breeders no matter the breed of dog.
Mrs. V on 07/08/2010:
Nohandle - There are 2 main requirments to get a breed recognized by the AKC. It’s required that there be an official organization for the breed, and recognized standards (such as size, coat and temperament).

And it can take years for the AKC to recognize a breed. As an example, one of the oldest dog breeds in the world, the Icelandic sheepdog, was just recognized by the AKC only this year.
Nohandle on 07/08/2010:
Thanks Mrs.V I didn't know that. In this area if one is looking for a dog of a particular breed if one if not available the Humane Society will put your name on a list for that breed. When one becomes available the individual will get a call if he doesn't want something else in the meantime. Some people just enjoy certain breeds of dogs for whatever personal reasons.
Mrs. V on 07/08/2010:
That's very true, Nohandle ^_^ I want an uncut Dobbie, myself. They are the sweetest things!
madconsumer on 07/08/2010:
I prefer an uncut doobie too.
Mrs. V on 07/08/2010:
LMBO, mad! Doggone it, you just made me spit soda everywhere!
LagottoLvr on 07/10/2010:
My responses to the comments, many of them silly:

First of all its a free country.

Getting a dog from a shelter is not for everyone. If you read the Monks of the New Sketes books, they advise against it because you simply do not know what you are getting other that a dog that was not wanted.

I need a watchdog, with a great temperament, good with kids, well sized and active enough to jog and hike, and does not shed. I could not find that at the pound. Lagottos are a wonderful breed who you will be seeing much more of.

I couldn't care less about AKC recognition. Why would I be angry about it??? What I do want is some organization who is promoting the right things in the dog (working, health, temperament, breed standard, showing). We don't have that in my opinion.

Lastly, there has never been A Lagotto in the Humane Society or Rescued. There are only 80 or so in the US. They are $3,000 dogs. You won't be seeing them at the local pound.

:)

tails7654 on 10/03/2010:
While I agree that the animal shelters are over run and many dogs live in terrible conditions, maintaining lines of rare and ancient dog breeds is no different then keeping an elephant or killer whale from going extinct. I do think that a lot of reputable breeders of the Lagotto have not been mentioned here and find that a bit annoying. There are several breeders in the US that have partners in Italy that care for there animals and would never treat a pet quality dog less than a show animal. That comment is just disturbing. Not every breeder runs a puppy mill. Almost sounds like a personal affiliation being promoted and not just quality breeding. I say to anyone reading the comments keep doing your research and form your own opinions on the people you want to purchases a puppy from.
Berto on 06/03/2014:
We got a Lagotto from a "reputable" Italian breeder and have had terrible health issues with the dog. No one should ever purchase a Lagotto from Monica Benelli's Il Granaio die Malatesta Kennel. Monica has proven to be unprofessional and irresponsible, certainly not traits you desire in a breeder. Additionally, until more is known about the inheritance of anxiety and mental health disorders in the breed, I would caution people from purchasing any dogs descended from IGDM lines.

The standards of keeping a dog and for dog health overseas may or may not match what a U.S. owner deems suitable. Do your research! Just because the dog is from Italy, does not mean it is a quality dog. (Our $2000 in vet bills in three months can attest to that!)

Learn more about our problems and our Lagotto Romagnolo at ilgranaiodeimalatesta.com.
Knowledgelagotto on 06/18/2014:
Several things about the Lagotto Romagnolo:

I also have a Lagotto with severe anxiety, and one who is a typical lagotto. We are trying to make it more widely known, but fear/ reserved nature/ anxiety is common in the breed. You don't hear folks talk about it, because until about 3 years ago there were fewer than 500 Lagotti in all of the US. The population/ imports have boomed.

It is not just IGDM dogs, it is in ALL lines. For whatever her faults for your unique situation, which I do not condone, your scenario is more common than you think- and with dogs from many other 'respected' breeders. Your situation is unfortunate and it saddens me- but what I think we should do is not even rail against specific breeders, because I can guarantee you I know folks who have received dogs from most lines/breeders, who will have similar stories or much worse- but try to inform potential puppy buyers that this is a breed trait.

I see breeders breeding and selling Lagotti without even doing proper health testing such as BF/JE, IP, LSD etc and with some of them, I am waiting for the shoe to drop.

I agree with tails7654- there are many respected Lagotti breeders, Monica among them (despite your unfortunate experience).

I am sorry you had such a bad experience with Monica. She is one of the better breeders out there. And while your experience sounds terrible, and again, I don't know or condone what happened, there are many breeders in the US, Italy, and else where who are far worse.
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