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Watch out for BargainLand, an Ebay retailer
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PHOENIX, ARIZONA -- This complaint is in regard to BargainLand, an Ebay retailer that is scamming thousands of people, including myself.

I have completed 150 different transactions between 5/7/05 and 6/21/05 by bidding on auctions this seller has on Ebay, spending a total of $2700. Half of the items I received were not as described, broken, ripped, not received or otherwise worthless and I am still awaiting (in vain) for refund/replacement.

This vendor is a liquidator, and they do warn buyers that the products they sell can come from many different venues: they could be customer returns, manufacture rejects or simply overstock merchandise.
They came up with a “star system” in which they are supposed to rate their merchandise between 1 and 5 stars, 1 being the lowest and 5 the best condition.

From reading customer feedback on Ebay I have learned that anything below 3 is pretty much junk, which is why all the items I purchased had rating of 4 (“like new”) or 5 stars (“in manufacture box”). Still, many of these items (50% to be exact) were definitely not as described. They describe their auctions “as is”, yet they fail to warn the customer about merchandise defects, defending themselves by saying that with over 10,000 auctions daily they can’t possibly test the merchandise accurately. Well then, I asked myself, what is the point of even giving a star rating if it’s not accurate?
Another deceiving tactic they use is to post a picture of the item from the manufacture’s professional photographer, but then selling an item in much worse condition than the one pictured.

The merchandise rating greatly determine how high the bids are going to be. If someone KNOWINGLY bids on a 2 star rating, they should know they’re taking a very high risk of receiving junk. However, when the merchandise has been described as “like new” and then is received completely smashed, one does not expect that, and certainly wouldn’t have bid so high.

This brings me to my next comment which is they claim insurance is optional and they’re not responsible for shipping damage, yet the insurance is not available upon check out unless the merchandise total (without the shipping) is more that $100. I would say 90% of their transactions are below that amount because they start at $.99, and therefore insurance is simply not offered. Trying to contact the seller to add this option is impossible, since they don’t answer their phone nor do they respond to e-mail (again, they justify that by saying “we sell 10,000 items per day, we don’t have time for customer service).
Several of the items I received (breakable Christmas ornaments) where carelessly thrown loose in a cardboard box without any kind of bubble paper, and were of course received broken in several pieces.
It occurred to me when I attempted to glue some of the pieces together that the broken pieces were not in the package. This indicates that the items where already broken when they left the warehouse, but sold “like new” or “in original manufacture box”. This had been confirmed by many other people, who have had similar experiences.

The shipping carriers they use alternate between DHL, UPS and FEDEX, probably to spread the amount of shipping claims on each individual carrier. Surprisingly the carriers haven’t figured out the scam, or maybe they just don’t care since they get so much business from BargainLand (who also has smaller facilities in Boca Raton, FL and Jackson Mississippi, and Germany).

It is obvious that BargainLand is an advantageous business to both Ebay and Paypal, which are normally known for standing behind their customers, but in the case of BargainLand they can’t/won’t help.

For example, for packages that are only partially received (meaning only some of the items arrived but not all that were paid for), neither Ebay nor Paypal won’t issue a partial refund, because some of the items were received.
Ebay protects up to $200 but the claim fee is $25. As a result thousands of transaction go unclaimed. It doesn’t matter that I cumulatively spent $2700, because every single transaction is considered individually.
I was therefore only able to claim but a few, and ripped off out of many

As I mentioned earlier, contacting this merchant about a problem will result in either being ignored or receiving a non-human automated response. Under their “refund policies” posted on their site, in the event the customer receives a “damaged” or “wrong” item, the customer is supposed to contact BargainLand for a RMA number. If the package is just sent back to them without a RMA number, they’re entitled to charge a 30% restocking fee.
However, to receive such required RMA number is impossible, since this vendor has very bad communication or rather lack thereof.

I have been requesting a RMA number in several emails, but they never responded. It is obviously more lucrative for them not to give a RMA number.

Of all the problems I have had with BargainLand, I am particularly livid about some 40 gold necklaces I purchased. I should mention here that their shipping is among the slowest ever seen (it can literally take months for the merchandise to arrive, when it does arrive at all!). One would expect to receive the merchandise much faster, considering their shipping charges are outrageous (ex. $8.95 for a DVD, or $30 for a package that measures 10 x 6 x 3 with a weight of 1 lb -rounded up-).
So with the shipping being so slow, it took a long time for the first necklaces order I placed to reach me. When the package arrived and I opened it, I noticed the necklaces were not marked, like gold is supposed to be. So I took them to a jeweler to verify the authenticity, and I was informed the necklaces were gold plated at best, but definitely not gold.

When I contacted the seller about it, after many automated responses, finally a human (who didn’t sign the e-mail with any specific name) read my comments and responded that in the description of the necklaces there were never karats nor weight indicated, and that it was meant to say gold COLOR. He/she also added that bidding starts at $1.
Too bad, that’s not what their auction says, it just said GOLD. On the negative feedback left by other members, I later realized many people had the same problem.
As a buyer on Ebay I can only rely on a picture, and entrust that the company is advertising what they say they are. There’s no need to be a jeweler to know that gold is supposed to be marked. I find it very hard to believe the person entering information in the Ebay auction description could have not know that.

My rebuttal to their last e-mail was that I didn’t pay $1, in fact I paid between $15 and $41 (average was $35 for each set of 5 gold-plated necklaces), and I kept complaining about how the description was not as described.
After many more e-mails someone wrote back that I could apply “bargain bucks” to my next purchase, but didn’t specify in what amount and how to go about doing so. I didn’t trust somebody without a name (never did this person told me who I was dealing with) stating something so vague, and besides I do not want to buy anymore junk from this company, I just want my money back and send back their junk jewelry.

As of today 6/26/05 the problem with the necklaces has not been solved. I also never received 3 items from 5/16, 5/17, and 6/4, which they charged me for.
As mentioned above, Paypal and Ebay don’t help because partial shipment, and BargainLand doesn’t respond to emails nor phone calls.

Some of the automated responses I’ve got included messages such as “will have warehouse manager look into it” or “replacement is on its way”. That was one month ago, and they never wrote back ever since.

It is a good thing I always made these purchases with a credit card, and will attempt next to contact my c/c company. I can only feel for all those other customers who paid by check or money order, as they will never get their money nor merchandise back.

Someone really ought to put a stop to this fraudulent seller. They are guilty of:
· Misrepresenting merchandise by posting picture of different item than the one sold
· Lying to the customer by failing to state items has a problem or is damaged
· Shipping out broken items and blame it on the shipping carrier
· Charging outrageous shipping costs (often times more than the merchandise itself) to avoid sales taxes as well as Ebay commissions (strictly against Ebay rule)
· Not offering shipping insurance unless item costs more than $100
· Careless packaging
· Refusing to offer refund/replacement
· Leaving negative feedback on Ebay whenever ripped-off customers leave negative for them (regardless if customer is right). In this regards there have been instances in which BargainLand was able to “zero” someone’s feedback score, meaning for example a person had a feedback score of 200, they will reduce that number to zero.
· Denying receiving e-mails from customers about problems with merchandise, even when such communication takes place though Ebay claims, in which each party is given 7 days to respond, and responses are monitored
· Leaving positive feedback for themselves to minimize the negative and maintain a positive feedback of 88%, still very low for Ebay standards.
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Beware! Dangerous Products and Fraudulent Guarantee Claims!
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ONLINE -- Bargain Outfitters (aka Sportsman's Guide) are selling unsafe merchandise, and will not honor their "100% guarantee".

I bought 6 of their outdoor chairs and three of them collapsed when my guests sat on them. Luckily, no one was badly hurt, but when I called to tell the company about the defective and dangerous chairs, they said they would only honor their refund guarantee if I ship them back at my own cost. I sent photos to show that they were broken, but they will not be swayed - I have to pay to ship back six defective chairs, or they will not honor their own refund policy (which states you can return "for any reason at any time"). They actually told me there was a time limit for defective returns, and I had missed the window.

Aside from them not honoring their stated guarantee (which I obviously feel is a fraudulent sales claim), they do not seem to care that the chairs are dangerous for outside use. They do NOT withstand the elements, and someone could have gotten badly injured! Apparently they're willing to take their chances on a future lawsuit, because the chairs are still readily available on their website.

While their prices seem like bargains, buyers should be aware that there may be costs that simply aren't worth the savings.
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madconsumer on 11/11/2008:
I would like to hear more details on how the chairs broke. horeplay, over weight people, threads came out.
BobJohn on 11/11/2008:
I think it is reasonable to have you pay for the postage. You can't just call up and say "Send my money back." This is from their website for returns, "... just fill out the form on the back of our invoice — use the return mailing label provided and send ground UPS or insured parcel post only." Seems pretty clear you have to pay for returning the item.
hubbard53 on 11/12/2008:
lol, I would have loved to been at that party where peoples chairs kept breaking.
Sparticus on 11/12/2008:
Ha... yeah. I would have thought the hosts were playing a bad joke on everyone... ;-)
tarnia on 11/12/2008:
The chairs didn't all break at the same broke first a while back and I thought maybe my friend was too heavy for it (he's probably about 200 lbs), but the other two happened on the same night recently with average sized people (about 130 lbs and 150 lbs). The back legs just snapped when they sat down and my guests fell backwards.

I sent the customer service department photos to show they were unusable and obviously defective, and I just think it's unfair that I have to ship back 6 chairs at my expense when they are just lucky no one was badly hurt and don't have a lawsuit on their hands.

More important, however, is that they are still selling these chairs on their website! Someone could really get hurt. My husband and I are a little older, and we did nothing other than have a few people over for a rough-housing or jumping on the chairs. All anyone ever did is sit down on them.

Just seems wrong to me.

Thanks for your comments.
(by the way, I sent the administrator a photo that hasn't been posted yet, but hopefully you'll be able to see for yourselves soon)
Anonymous on 11/12/2008:
Question: Why are only your guests falling out of these chairs? Don't YOU sit in them?
tarnia on 11/12/2008:
To BobJohn; it does say that on their website, but that is for a normal return - not for defective merchandise. When merchandise is defective they say to call customer service, which to me implies what it should - that you shouldn't be penalized for having to return defective products.
In any case,I will pay for the return, but I'm obviously not thrilled that they sell cheap, dangerous products and don't care about their customers well-being.
hubbard53 on 11/12/2008:
I think the hosts are sitting in big sturdy adirondack chairs with a video camera :)

seriously though, it is silly that you would need to send the chairs back to the company at your expense. If these chairs do easily break, then it is a huge liability or the company AND the consumer if a guest gets hurt
tarnia on 11/12/2008:
To zzrokk: That's a good, I sat in the chair at the same time, but mine did not collapse. As I said, I bought 6 chairs and 3 broke...I'm obviously not letting anyone sit in them anymore.
Anonymous on 11/12/2008:
I see. Now tell the truth. Once you and your guests made sure that the "victims" of these chairs were alright didn't at least some of you get a little chuckle out of it?
tarnia on 11/12/2008:
to zzrokk: yeah, I guess it could seem funny - if only someone was filming for America's funniest home videos or something... :)
Unfortunately, I'm going to be out some money, so it's a little hard to laugh it off (these chairs are pretty big wicker chairs - and 6 of them! Not easy to ship like folding chairs or something)...I hope it doesn't cost me the whole 420.00 that I paid for 'em...yikes! Thanks for trying to cheer me up though.
tarnia on 01/28/2009:
So, now I don't know what to do...any advice would be appreciated...
Someone at Bargain Outfitters/Sportsmans Guide customer service told me that the reason they needed the broken chairs back before they could issue a refund was that the manufacturer won't pay them without receiving the merch. back.
Sounded reasonable, so I contacted the manufacturer directly and got them to agree to waive the need for return shipping since the chairs were broken and unusable (got it in writing, by the way). Then I called cust. serv. again and told them that, and they STILL won't send my refund!!!
What can I do? Should I take them to small claims court? How do you take an online company to court?
Anyway, any helpful suggestions would be great - thanks!
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Incompetence not a loophole for responsibility
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PHOENIX, ARIZONA -- One is drawn to this company's so called deals simply for personal gain. A good deal is hard to ignore. But that good deal comes with a proclaimed risk. The items that this company sells have a great possibility of being absolutely useless and worthless. They give a vague description of the product and rate it on their scale of worth. As long as they give an accurate description of the item, one should be able to make this risky purchase a calculated one.
If on the other hand, they sell a "subwoofer" and when you go to pay for it and pick it up, it turns out to be a simple bookshelf speaker, that's where the HUGE problems begin. Red flagged and Ebay account on probation because I refused to pay, I nearly went postal due to the company's abusive and bully like techniques. Problem finally resolved without any form of business remorse from the management.
Okay, I should have learned my lesson, right? Wrong! I got caught again after my wife found their site and I got to looking. Found a real cool Men's dress shirt, black, sized large and like new shape. What could possibly go wrong with that. I paid immediately including the outrageous shipping and handling. The item arrived in like new condition but it was purple and a size medium.
After a constant beseaching of immediate action needed, I was lucky enough to get a response. Most are not so lucky. They told me I had a choice of a 7 dollar refund or I could return the item, with shipping charges out of my pocket again, and they would give me a refund for the purchase price. What a deal. They mess up. I give them their shirt back. It costs me out of pocket and THEN I have to trust them to actually get their stuff together enough to make amends in the form of a refund. Well from many many other reports of similar "amendments" I would be waiting a very long time for any refund.
I bowed out and accepted their piddly 7 dollar refund and I'll try to find someone small to give the shirt to. Weeks have gone by and still no refund. Thay will blatantly rip you off. Buying from them is just not worth the tension and stress of being spit on.
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