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Defective Printer
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I have two complaints with Epson. We have been using Epson Dot Matrix printers since 1982. We recently purchased two new computers which use the Windows 7, 64 bit, operating system. There are no Epson drivers for our older printers. After being told by Epson that Epson doesn't have drivers for our older printers, I spent hours researching the internet and then purchased a new printer, the Epson 590, which works with Windows 7. Later, I came across a Microsoft article which describes non-Epson drivers that may work with older Epson printers. Oki generic drivers work with my older printers. Not only doesn't Epson provide the needed drivers, they didn't tell me that some generic non-Epson printer drivers would work. It is an irony that a competing company provides drivers that work while Epson remains completely silent.

My second complaint is that the new printer from Epson is defective. It does not print fully formed letters. I spent several hours with Epson technical support on two occasions diagnosing the problem. At first, the technician blamed Microsoft since they provide the drivers in Windows 7. Finally, after trying the printer with a computer running Windows XP. the technician decided that the printer is defective.

I was given two options. 1) Travel 18 miles to a service center for a repair. If the service center could not repair the printer, Epson would provide a replacement. However, the replacement could either be a new printer or a reconditioned printer to be decided by Epson. The technician referred me to the warranty. I reminded the technician that you don't receive the warranty until you buy a printer and that Epson writes the warranty, not the consumer. I asked if Epson would send me a new printer and then let me return the defective printer or let me send them the defective printer first and then receive a new printer from Epson. The answer was no.

2) The technician told me that I could send the printer back to the vendor who sold me the printer. I called the vendor. They would replace the printer if after inspecting it, they agreed that the printer is defective. I would have to put the box that was used to ship the printer to me in a second box to keep it clean, package it back in the box the way it came from the factory, have it inspected by the vendor, pay the return shipping, and pay shipping again if the vendor decides there is no problem with the printer. Or I could return the printer minus a 17% restocking fee.
So much for buying a new printer. Between Epson and the vendor, I have experienced nothing but lost time, lost money, and frustration. In my business, I stand behind my product and service and go out of my way to keep customers happy. The same cannot be said of Epson. My company will not spend money for Epson products in the future.
     
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Epson Artisan 700 Junk!
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I bought the Epson 700 printer. What a big big mistake. Stay away it is junk. I called customer service because it takes 4-5 pages at a time. I was told that I need to use epsom paper only otherwise I would need to put one sheet of paper into the printer at a time to stop it from taking multiple sheets. I told them they were nuts if they thought that I was going to be limited to one paper supplier and hung up. The next day I called back hoping to speak to someone with a little common sense. Hahahahaha fat chance of that. So I called Tiger Direct where I purchased it and was told that they are sending me another one just in case there was something wrong with the one I received. Kudos to vlad at Tiger Direct for his help. So that's not the only problem. The picture printing is absolutely terrible so I called you guessed it Epson customer support and again was told that I need to use there photo paper only. Unbelievable. I have a HP photo printer at home 7960 that I can use any paper and the pix always look great. As for the paper I am using it HP photo. I am most sorry to say that I did not do any reviews on the printer because I have had a couple Epson printers before and they worked fine. To top this whole thing off I bought this printer for my use at my company and seeing that I have never had a problem with an Epson printer I had the boxes thrown away right after receiving it.

So there are a few things I learned from this experience. I hope this stops people from buying this piece of junk. When I get the replacement from Tiger Direct which should be by 6/8 and if it works any better I will let you know but I really really doubt it. Stay away from this printer. I also hope that Epson will re look into their customer support people because they are not knowledgeable
     
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Anonymous on 2009-06-05:
A couple of suggestions: make sure you use a good quality of paper, don't go for the cheapest grade. Store it where it will be dry, avoid humidity and static. Fan the paper a few times before you put it in the printer. Use alcohol and a clean cloth to clean the rollers that grab the paper.

You may find that the printer is not so bad, after all.
johnsmith on 2009-06-05:
I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS. I ACTUALLY DID DO TRY PUTTING THE SHEETS IN ONE AT A TIME UNTIL THERE WERE TEN, TWENTY AND 30 SHEETS. TRYING EACH TIME TO SEE IF SOMETHING WORKED BUT DIDN'T. THE PAPER WE USE IS BEING USED IN 14 OTHER HP PRINTERS AT OUR COMPANY (WITHOUT PROBLEM). THIS PRINTER IS BRAND NEW MONDAY 6/8. AND PROBLEM WAS FROM SHEET ONE. DO YOU HAVE THIS PRINTER? IF YOU DO IS THERE A TRICK TO THE WAY YOU LOAD THE PAPER AND WHAT PAPER DO YOU USE? I HAVE TRIED BOTH WHITE PAPER AND YELLOW PAPER BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO USE THIS FOR MY PURCHASE ORDERS THAT I PRINT OUT. I AM WILLING TO LISTEN AND TRY MOST ANYTHING BUT IT IS SO HARD TO BELIEVE THAT I NEED TO DO ANYTHING MORE THAN PUT PAPER IN AND PRINT.
johnsmith on 2009-06-05:
I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS. I ACTUALLY DID DO TRY PUTTING THE SHEETS IN ONE AT A TIME UNTIL THERE WERE TEN, TWENTY AND 30 SHEETS. TRYING EACH TIME TO SEE IF SOMETHING WORKED BUT DIDN'T. THE PAPER WE USE IS BEING USED IN 14 OTHER HP PRINTERS AT OUR COMPANY (WITHOUT PROBLEM). THIS PRINTER IS BRAND NEW MONDAY 6/1. AND PROBLEM WAS FROM SHEET ONE. DO YOU HAVE THIS PRINTER? IF YOU DO IS THERE A TRICK TO THE WAY YOU LOAD THE PAPER AND WHAT PAPER DO YOU USE? I HAVE TRIED BOTH WHITE PAPER AND YELLOW PAPER BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO USE THIS FOR MY PURCHASE ORDERS THAT I PRINT OUT. I AM WILLING TO LISTEN AND TRY MOST ANYTHING BUT IT IS SO HARD TO BELIEVE THAT I NEED TO DO ANYTHING MORE THAN PUT PAPER IN AND PRINT.
I corrected the date I received it sorry for the confusion
Anonymous on 2009-06-05:
No, I don't have that printer, but I work with a lot of them, and those tips are general in nature, but often cure the problem. Is this something you could return? It sounds like it may just plain be defective.
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Don't Buy Epson Printers!
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I purchased an EPSON Artisan 700 on December 6, 2008 as a Christmas gift for my daughter who lives out of state. By the time she received it and tried to set it up, it was early January. The printer would not power up. She tried to return it to the local store of the chain that I had purchased it from but since it was beyond 14 days, she was told she had to deal with EPSON directly. Since I felt bad that it was a gift, I told her to send it back to me and I would deal with them.

When I received it and confirmed the problem, I contacted EPSON. After a brief attempt to troubleshoot the problem, the tech agreed that it was a defect and said they would send me a replacement. HOWEVER, I had to give him my credit card number and if I failed to return the original printer, I would be charged $275. This was more than I even paid for it but agreed as I had no choice.

A few days later, I received the replacement and it was a reconditioned unit. I called to complain stating that I should get a new unit as the original never worked. I was told no and that their warranty states that in order to get a new unit, I had to return the original within 30 days of purchase. While holding for someone in their "customer care" unit, I read the warranty. It has no mention of a 30 day time period. It did state that I would get a new or reconditioned unit based upon the status of the original unit.

When Cheryl got on the line she repeated the non-existent 30 day provision. I pointed out that it was not a provision of the warranty and I demanded a new unit. She said that I was not entitled to a new one and that was that.

The fact that they would charge me MORE than the cost of a new one if I failed to return the original broken printer while replacing it with a reconditioned unit is blatantly unfair and illogical. It is borderline fraudulent.

Do not buy EPSON products as they will not back their products up. BEWARE!
     
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Premium Bright White Is No More Than Cheap, Thin Copy Paper
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I bought a box of Premium Bright White Paper online at Epson thinking it would be good for proofing. Previously I had used a regular weight matte paper for my proofing, and it saved me a lot of money. I couldn't find this at Staples anymore though, so I went to Epson directly for it. The box says " Smooth, bright white, non-glare finish for crisp text and colorful images, plus brilliant two-sided printing". This was the closest I could find for the other paper, and being that it was designed for inkjets, I bought it.

When I took it out of the box, it appeared to be plain copy paper, like you get for a few bucks at any office superstore or Walmart. It was neither smooth nor bright white. When I printed my images, they were neither brilliant nor crisp. And because of the high absorption and bleed through, I can't image using this for two-sided printing. So there was no true statement in their claim, other than "white".

No problem, I thought; there's a money back guarantee which states "If you are not fully satisfied with the output, Epson will refund the purchase price." Since I wasn't fully satisfied, nor even partially satisfied, I picked up the phone to get the refund.

The outsourced customer service rep on the phone refused, saying the paper was not defective, and that it was only supposed to be used for correspondence. I protested, and he gave me the number of the online store at Epson. I called them, and got the same runaround. That person wanted me to call the first number again. Then when she found out I had purchased using a coupon code from the class action suit over the ink cartridges, she said no refund or credit was due at all. I told her that the coupon was like money, and if I didn't buy this paper, I would have bought something else. What BS and poor customer service, not to mention false advertising and false guarantees.

DO NOT BUY this paper! You can get a ream for less than half the cost at any office superstore. There is NOTHING SPECIAL about it. It is simply cheap copy paper they are passing off as some kind of premium bright white.

When I tried to find an email address for customer support, I discovered that not only do they not have any emails at all listed on their website, but they don't even have a contact category for customer support.
     
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Epson in deceitful practices
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QUEENS, NY, CALIFORNIA -- I had gotten a Class Action Lawsuit settlement from Epson of $ store credit regarding their practices on: Epson Ink Cartridge Cases, Judicial Council Coordination Proceeding No. 4347, Los Angeles Superior Court, State of California.

I used the $ store credit to buy a Epson Stylus C88+ - Refurbished on the Epson store website (www.epsonstore.com) 1/28/08. The item they had sent me had a hardware defect (broken) and I requested for a return on their website. They responded my return request via e-mail telling me to call their number. I call their number talk with the customer service rep. She tells me that in order for me to return my broken item, I will need to talk to a technical support agent first to get a reference number. They transfer me and gave me a reference# to give to the tech support agent and then I get disconnected from their phone line. I call back one again to talk with a tech support staff, where he quickly told me that my printer has a hardware problem then gave me another reference number.

I call back the main number and once again speak with another customer service rep. He tells me that he will replace my broken printer but then tells me that the printer is out of stock. He then tells me to order another item on Epson store and he will refund my $ once I call him back after I order another item. He also tells me to return my broken C88+ printer and gives me a Fed-Ex slip for me to print via e-mail. I had bought a printer for the purpose of printing, and now they want me to print a packing slip to return a broken printer? Plus I have to drop the broken printer to a Fed-Ex store that is not within closeness from my location.

I am furious at this system. I believe that they are purposely using deceitful tactics in their business. Their offered resolution had upset me even more.
     
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Anonymous on 2008-02-20:
AlleyS -- It might be helpful in the future if you read the reviews first before posting a comment.
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Complaint about a Repair
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ROCKVILLE, MARYLAND -- A client of mine has an Epson CX11NF All-In-One document machine. It is out of warranty.

Recently, the Auto Document Feeder (ADF) jammed. Once the paper was removed, the ADF failed to work anymore.

Epson Support was contacted and we were told to send it to one of their authorized repair centers, which was MicroCare Inc., located in Maryland.

My client paid the $35 to have it looked at by MicroCare and was told it could not be fixed without having to order a whole replacement ADF unit which was in excess of $300. Of course, he decided against having it fixed at that price.

I understand the price of parts, especially when you can't get a particular part out of some of the larger pieces without getting the whole piece. George from MicroCare explained this to me on the phone. That is fine, and understandable, however, it is not the problem.

The problem is this. My client was told that the unit could not be fixed without having to spend over $300 for parts.

I took the unit apart, found a piece that was out of place, put it back into place, put it back together, and now everything is working just fine. I don't even have an education or proper training to repair these things, but I had no trouble finding the real problem and fixing it, in less than an hour it was already back together and scanning.

That means that the unit could in fact be fixed, and without any parts required at all.

So my client was misinformed. Had he proceeded to get service with MicroCare as instructed by EPSON, he would have spent an additional excess of $300 on top of the $35 he had already spent to be misinformed in the first place.

I called EPSON to tell them about the problem with MicroCare, and guess what? They don't care. They explained to me that the unit was out of warranty and that it is not their responsibility. However, because they were the ones who referred me to this company in the first place, I thought they should know what kind of service I got, especially since EPSON referred them. Well, they don't care. There is nothing they can do they said, except to call MicroCare.

I called MicroCare. They tried to explain to me the cost of replacing a broken part - basically, they can't get a single part, they have to order a larger piece containing the parts, therefore, they have to charge accordingly.

Once again, I explained to them that was not my problem. I DON'T need parts. They had incorrectly told me that I needed to order these parts, that the unit could not be fixed otherwise.

I fixed the unit myself without parts. I told them I was concerned about how many other people might be a victim. They ignored my concerns and wouldn't even refund my client the $35 he spent to be mislead and misinformed. He almost lost an additional excess of $300. What kind of justice is this? They told me to write them a letter and they'd discuss it with their boss. I think I should just call and talk to the boss myself.

     
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Hugh_Jorgen on 2007-07-25:
The difference is you had time to sit and play around with it and you got lucky. In a production environment like the repair shop, you first diagnose the problem - in this case, the ADF doesn't work. You consult the parts guide to see if parts to fix the ADF are available - they are not. The smallest item sold by Epson is the entire ADF. Therefore, your diagnosis is to replace the ADF. End of "repair". Why would they go poking around in the ADF if they knew they couldn't get parts for it? The days of Emmitt's Fixit Shop are gone - more and more manufacturers just have whole chunks of machines replaced in the field. It costs the consumer more, but it's quick and it's easy to train people to swap out major pieces rather than old style diagnosis and repair. Not saying this is right or wrong, it's just how it works these days.
drewdwyer on 2007-09-22:
Can you tell me what part was not functioning and describe how you took the ADF apart?
drewdwyer on 2007-09-22:
If you could...please send me a note. I am very interested in what you did and how you fixed the problem. I am frustrated because the ADF clearly is communicating with the Printer unit. The sensors appear to work. It just won't feed and constantly tells you to remove paper (jammed) which is clearly not the case. I've taken it apart as far as I could (taking cover off). I see there's a Clutch unit. Everything appears to be moving correctly. But the error persists. The scanner works if you want to scan a single sheet at a time. Maybe there's another ADF out there from a printer that doesn't work that can be had for less than $300. It doesn't make much sense to spend $300 on a used printer (to fix the ADF) when a brand new one can be had for $579.
drewdwyer on 2007-09-22:
forgot to post my email: its drew.dwyer@gmail.com
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NIGHTMARE! Forced to buy ink cartridges to use the printer.
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Rating: 1/51
This printer has been a nightmare from day 1. It does make copies and print but the hassles are not worth it. And, on principle, I don't like that they design the printer to lock up if you don't buy new full in cartridges. Definitely regret this purchase and look forward to the day I can throw it in the trash.
     
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Paul on 2014-04-03:
I learned a few printers back to watch out for how ink cartridges are handled - since they are main expense of most inkjet printers.

So, I researched each brand, one by one, and looked for public comments. Sure enough, I found exactly what you are complaining about. I also found that for Brother printers, I could use generic ink without worrying about resetting page counters, etc. Based on this one printer, I would highly recommend considering Brother. I have also had Lexmark, Epson and HP printers. Lexmark was the worst experience. My Brother isn't photo quality, but the color registration stays constant from cartridge to cartridge, and replacements are cheap.
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Epson--the worst printer I have ever owned
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It seems most printers don't seem to last beyond a year or two (particularly the all-in-ones). In the past few years I have been through 2 HPs, a Lexmark, and soon to be an Epson. I purchased the Epson in October 2009 and soon realized it is not user friendly. The design is poor--paper loader jams constantly, and the printer has to be restarted after every issue. When I tried to scan something to my Mac, it became so confused that it stopped communicating with my computer (never scanned, either). When I finally got tech support, assistance was provided to fix the problem. I write this now with ink all over my hands after trying to unjam the printer. Unlike HP, the inferior design does not allow you open a rear door and access the jammed paper. After ripping and tugging, alas, a piece remains jammed that I cannot see. I tried to get help on the Epson site, but the apparently the word "jam" yields nothing on the troubleshooting section. Hmmm. The site has no customer service email or contact info aside from a contact to tech support. Overall, poor design, poor quality, poor company. This time I am buying an office quality laser printer. Never again, Epson.
     
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Ink for CX7400 Printer
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I will never purchase another Epson product, and will influence all I come in contact to boycott purchases of Epson products. The company is un-ethical and try to take adavantage of consumers. If you don't believe it, go into any Office Max and try to buy their replacement cartridges of ink for Epson printers. Epson should be investiated by the FTC for unfair practices. I have tried to contact Epson direct, however have been unable to find a direct contact address, either "snail mail", e-mail, or phone.

BEWARE YOU POTENTIAL EPSON BUYERS............YOU WILL UNDOUBTEDLY REGRET THE PURCHASE!!!
     
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Ponie on 2008-01-13:
It's not the initial cost--it's the upkeep.
Dirtydave on 2008-01-14:
All ink tends to be a bit pricey. So buy a personal laser printer, cost more to purchase, but the toner last a long time.
Slimjim on 2008-01-14:
Maybe it's Office Max who's out of line with the price. Go to www.onlinesupplystore.com and price it out. I've bought toner, ink, drum kits, you name it from them and have found pricing to be as much as 75% less than Office Depot. More often than not, they are generic brands and/or refills, but the price is well worth it.
Anonymous on 2008-01-14:
Check Sam's and/or Costco too. That's where I purchase my printer supplies. If they don't have it, I purchase it at Best Buy - they give free paper when you purchase a few cartridges.
Consumer2009 on 2008-03-24:
I AGREE. In Dec 2007 I purchased an Epson CX7400. My computer is set to print ONLY in BLACK and WHITE and the magenta and yellow went down a quarter each after every print job and then the red was used up. I called the company (562) 276-4382 and asked what the problem was. DEAD END except they sent me 10 ink cartridges (2 of each color Red Yellow Black Blue)for FREE so they know something is wrong. I decided to TRACK my copies to see if I got 300 copies out of my black ink and since I ONLY PRINT in B/W the blue, red and yellow should stay FULL. After 105 copies, the red is down a quarter, the yellow almost gone and the black completely empty. PEOPLE DO NOT BUY THIS EPSON CX7400. Even in base exchange it costs $13 for the colors and almost $20 for a black ink cartridge and the printer USES UP INK LIKE WATER with no reason for it. The ink can be FULL one day and down HALF the next time you use it after printing a single sheet. I tried removing the ink cartridge and putting it back in to fool it and it only worked with the red ink which the machine shouldn't have shown as empty when it was FULL. By the way, when I put the same red ink cartridge back in and used the printer to print my next BLACK WHITE paper, the red was mysteriously down 1/4 in ink levels. RUN RUN RUN from this printer.
Consumer2009 on 2008-03-25:
(562) 276-4382 is their phone number. Read my complaint on Epson CX4700 printers. They sent me 10 free ink cartridges (2 of each color) and yesterday they agreed to send me another CX7400 period. I wish I had read the reviews on my3cents before I purchased this product.
Tundrum on 2008-12-02:
Epson Scanners work fine but the printers are SUCH a hassle. HP print heads come attached to the new cartridge. With Epson if one cartridge goes out you can't print anything. Whoever developed the product like that should be FIRED! Also, they are really cheap and have problems taking in card stock. Say yourself the hassle and go for quality.
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Rebates
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SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA -- I just wanted to edit my original post to make it more readable. I bought an Epson 2580 scanner and an Epson PictureMate with $50 and $20 rebates. My purchase was made based on these rebates, so their competitors have a legitimate complaint as well. Well I followed all of the directions. One required the original bar code and the other a photocopy of the bar code, just to show you how they try to make it difficult, so they don't have to honor the rebate to begin with! I made copies of everything and sent them both certified mail. The one rebate they never received, even though I have a return receipt signed by Michele Hutson saying that they DID get the rebate. I called their 1-800 # three times to resolve the issue and kept being told to wait more time. Finally I received an email about the $50 rebate, which I saved, saying it was in the mail. Well I never received either rebate. I complained to the BBB in Strongsville OH where the rebate center is located. The BBB says that Epson has a poor track record with customer complaints and I was no different. I filed a complaint with California's Attorney General, because it's false advertising plain and simple. I hope they get fined thousands of dollars! I will also start a small claims case on principal. They lied to me and their competitors. I think that mail in rebates should be made illegal and Epson illustrates my reasoning. They call their product 'Epson Perfection', but I prefer to call it the 'Epson Deception' or an 'Epson Misconception'. The bottom line is buy an Epson product with a rebate with great trepidation!

I want to update this post and complaint. I complained to the California Attorney General's office and within 48 hours a woman named Colleen (Woods?) for Epson called me. She requested that I refax her the information, which I did from Kinko's costing me even more money. She then called back and said that one was an Epson rebate and the other was a Circuit City rebate, even though they both went to the same place and were signed by the same Michele Hutson. She did a great job and after more than a year I finally received BOTH rebates. Thank you Colleen. I still am a little miffed, because one shouldn't have to go through so much trouble to receive a promised and advertised rebate and my net dollars were less than they should have been, but at least they were honored...finally.
     
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bigel001 on 2006-11-05:
I just wanted to edit my original post to make it more readable. I bought an Epson 2580 scanner and an Epson PictureMate with $50 and $20 rebates. My purchase was made based on these rebates, so their competitors have a legitimate complaint as well.



Well I followed all of the directions. One required the original bar code and the other a photocopy of the bar code, just to show you how they try to make it difficult, so they don't have to honor the rebate to begin with! I made copies of everything and sent them both certified mail. The one rebate they never received, even though I have a return receipt signed by Michele Hutson saying that they DID get the rebate. I called their 1-800 # three times to resolve the issue and kept being told to wait more time. Finally I received an email about the $50 rebate, which I saved, saying it was in the mail. Well I never received either rebate. I complained to the BBB in Strongsville OH where the rebate center is located. The BBB says that Epson has a poor track record with customer complaints and I was no different. I filed a complaint with California's Attorney General, because it's false advertising plain and simple. I hope they get fined thousands of dollars! I will also start a small claims case on principal. They lied to me and their competitors. I think that mail in rebates should be made illegal and Epson illustrates my reasoning. They call their product 'Epson Perfection', but I prefer to call it the 'Epson Deception' or an 'Epson Misconception'. The bottom line is buy an Epson product with a rebate with great trepidation!
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