SEVERAL CITIES AND STATES -- Watching TV tonight there was a story about how GM was losing business because they weren't building cars that people wanted or that quality was poor. But 28 years ago GM lost me forever, not because of quality or that the car was unsatisfactory. All new car models have some teething problems to sort out. They lost me because of dealer arrogance and non-service from the hour I drove the new thing from the dealer showroom.
In 1981 I decided to "Buy American" again. I had owned Fords from 1928 models through 1957. Then I owned various Volkswagens, a Plymouth, a Chrysler New Yorker, a Triumph 2000 in Britain, and finally a 1973 BMW 2002. None of these cars had been fault free, but I never had experienced dealer arrogance and refusal to work with me as I did with all but one GM dealership.
In 1981 I was working in Houston, owning the BMW, and needing a second car, primarily for my wife to drive. The 1981 Buick Century was a highly advertised new model with front wheel drive and a number of innovations. I had looked at several cars and decided on the Buick. Buying American was a large factor in my decision.
Following negotiations, I picked up the car from the dealer, Hub Buick, and was a proud owner for about 10 minutes until I noticed that the gas gauge was showing empty. When I pulled into a station for a fill-up, the attendant said, "Say, you should do something about that tire." With about 25 miles on the odometer, I replied that there couldn't be anything wrong with the tire. But there was. Bare cord was showing over a six inch patch of a rear tire. Needless to say, I hurried back to Hub Buick to inform my formerly helpful salesman of the problem.
His reply was that "it had nothing to do with the car dealer" and that any recourse that I might have had to come from the tire dealer, who was closed by that time. I drove the car about 30 miles home on the freeway, holding my breath. The next day I took off from work to drive back into Houston to seek help from the tire dealer. His reply was that "it had nothing to do with him", but was the responsibility of the transporter who had not properly secured the car to the rail car or highway transport. He did not know which. Another visit to Hub Buick was equally fruitless. The next day I replaced all four tires with a set of Michelins at my own expense.
About two weeks later my wife called me from home to my office to tell me that she couldn't start the car. I got somewhat in the doghouse by implying that maybe she didn't understand such a fine high tech automobile. When I got home, I applied the routine: check ignition (there was spark); check gas flow to the injectors, there was none. Check fuel filter, no gas to the fuel filter. Then check the fuel pump, which I couldn't find. I came to the reluctant realization that it had to be inside the tank; a situation that was beyond my troubleshooting ability.
A call to Hub Buick did result in a wrecker to drag the thing from Clear Lake to center of Houston. They confirmed that the problem had to be a faulty fuel pump which required dropping the tank and installing a new pump. But the rub was that with such a new model, there were no spare fuel pumps in Houston. Three weeks later they did manage to find a pump, but there was no offer of a loan car, so I had to pay for a renter those three weeks.
Several months later I was back home in Baton Rouge when the first scheduled checkup came up. Though at the time it was running OK, I took it to the nearby Buick dealer/service organization for the recommended service. After getting the thing back, the next day my wife drove it about 22 miles to Denham Springs for her art lesson.
That afternoon she called with the information that the Century would not start. This time I knew better than to question her competence to start the thing. A call to the Buick dealer/service place resulted in their sending a wrecker to Denham Springs to bring it back to Baton Rouge. The result was that I had to pay $110 for the wrecker service, but they did replace a faulty distributor rotor button for free. At the scheduled service, they had replaced a perfectly good rotor button with the faulty one.
The final straw was on a trip from Baton Rouge to Orlando. Somewhere east of Pensacola the thing lost power and began belching black smoke. We stopped at a town in the panhandle, rented a motel, and, next morning, took it to the Buick dealer. They said that it probably was the oxygen sensor that had failed, but that they could do nothing about it because they had no spares. We struggled on to Orlando at about 40 mph, laying down a smoke screen that would have done a WWII destroyer proud.
In the nearly four years that I had it, there was only one good dealer experience. The Buick dealer in Orlando took the thing in, provided a loaner car so that our Epcot Center/Disney World trip was not lost, and was able to repair the thing for our return. I don't remember the cost. It may even have been covered by warranty. But living too far from Orlando to use that dealer caused me to leave GM for all time.
Shortly after, before the catalytic converter crashed, we traded it for an '85 Volvo 740. We have had nothing but Volvos since, and never have had a poor Volvo dealer experience in spite of driving each of them over 145000 miles. The only really good thing about that Century was how the front wheel drive handled snow and ice on ski trips to Colorado.
I have never missed an opportunity to tell my family, friends, and others of my experience with Buick dealers, and I assume that the rest of the GM dealers are the same. Lately I had a similar experience on taking a friend's Chevrolet Malibu to the dealer to replace a radiator cap. Until the service person tried it himself, he implied that I was too stupid to remove the radiator cap. But when he tried it himself, he couldn't either. The hand grip part of the cap had separated from the rest of the cap and it took special tools to accomplish the feat.
Things have not changed much lately. Last year I took Buick up on an offer of a Golf shirt if I would test drive a 2008 Lucern. The dealer sales person did not seem to know the difference between a Lucerne and a Lacrosse. I was taken out in a Lacross, and when I questioned the difference, was told that there wasn't much except the price. They did give me the shirt. Even if the offer had been a free Cadillac I think I would turn it down or give it to charity. Maybe not: I wouldn't have wanted the charity to have to deal with GM dealers.
WEST MILFORD, NEW JERSEY -- Having had many cars in 35 years of driving, I can only say that GM deserves all of the problems that are crashing down on it right now. It earned every one of them. Whenever I had a problem with one of their cars, all I got was a run around or an attitude from their service department ("oh God, it's him again"). The only decent cars GM ever made in my opinion were those with the big cast iron 350 V-8's in them. They were gas hogs but at least they held up. In my experience, the American dealerships are liars and cheats. They only want to make a fast buck, throw the car at you then they turn their backs on you.
Their salespeople are real buddy buddy to you when they are trying to sell you the car but once they have your hard earned money, they are nowhere to be found when you have a problem. They don't think about how many people will hear about your problems with one of their cars. There is no integrity any more with these people. Well, what goes around comes around.
I went to Fords in the 1980's after dumping my 1971 Chevy Vega which blew an engine. Then after it was replaced with a new one, burned oil after only 20,000 miles. I had 2 Mercury Marquis - one (1986) with a 302 engine (broken piston at 160,000 miles), 2nd one (1998) still going at 100,000 miles (by the way, you cannot grease the front end of these cars. They're supposed to be lubricated for life. What a crock! Have had 3 front end repairs on it for a total of $1600.00. My mechanic put in the grease fittings with each repair). However, they have been decent cars otherwise, quality was fair to good.
Have a 2004 Ford Freestar minivan with 65,000 miles-quality fair to good except the brakes are poor and barely stop the van. I also have (2) 2005 Honda Civic sedans. Mine has 65,000 miles. Never had any mechanical problem whatsoever. Only had one problem, went to the car wash one day and the clear coat started peeling off the rear bumper. Honda fixed it under warranty. My daughter's Honda has 25,000 on it. Same thing. Absolutely no problems. People tell you to buy American, my attitude is: I will buy the best product for the money, no matter who makes it. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!
GM and the UAW brought these problems on themselves with their arrogant and ignorant attitudes. I don't feel sorry for them. I'm only sorry that they didn't have the foresight to listen to Deming about quality, or their customers about service. I'm sorry for all of their suppliers who will lose business and maybe their jobs. I'm sorry we are bailing out a company with our tax dollars that will be back again in a couple of years with their hands out for more. GM, Ford and Chrysler have made their beds. Now they have to sleep in them.
WEST MILFORD, NEW JERSEY -- Saturn, you've lost at least one customer and probably many more who heard how you treat loyal customers (at least from me). How unfortunate, when you think you've found a decent and honest car company, you're brought back to the reality of another company that practices deceit in order to make their company stay in business for the short term while not concerning themselves with improper treatment of their current customers or the long term.
My problem started when the car (2004 Ion) was under the manufacturer's warranty. The air conditioner stopped blowing cold air. The car was brought to the dealer. It was discovered the Freon was discharged, no leak was found. Saturn recharged the system. I wasn't too concerned because the problem was brought to their attention while the car was under warranty, even though they did not fix it.
One year later, when I went to use the A/C for the first time that season, the same problem occurred. I brought it back to the dealer, they recharged the system under warranty and no leak was found. This was becoming an inconvenience including the times there was a power outage at the dealership and the time they stranded my wife at work when they said they would pick her up and bring her back to the dealer to get the car.
I guess that kind of stuff happens. Another year passes and the same problem occurs at the beginning of summer. Now the car is out of warranty. They discover the Freon has leaked out again but this time they find the leak. It would cost $1000 to fix it! I'm still not that concerned because I have all the receipts from the past that clearly show it was a manufacturer's defect while under warranty.
I contacted the manufacturer in the past while the car was under warranty to make sure this was documented and I called them again this time to protest this charge. They checked into my claim, again, and offered to absorb all but a deductible of $200. Their deceit began to sink in. I argued the fact that their warranty states “The warranty covers repairs to correct any vehicle defect related to materials or workmanship occurring during the warranty period.” It was obvious the defect occurred during the warranty period but they would not stand behind their own warranty.
I tried to explain the problem by simplifying it, comparing it to a flat tire. If you bring your flat tire into a service center and they simply refill it, but not find (or look) for the leak, no one can honestly consider the tire repaired. After three times they finally find the source of the leak. Either the repairman doesn't know what he's doing or they're obviously dishonest.
At this point I'm still thinking someone with authority will become involved and rectify this situation as a reputable company should and treat the customer properly. I noticed in the warranty booklet that you can file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau, which I did. It seemed like the solution. I was sent a response after the filing process which stated “I regret we will not be able to help you”.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised. It's consistent. The end result is I had to swallow my pride, disregard all the service invoices I have and pay the $200 Saturn demanded. Although Saturn recouped their $200 with dishonesty and deception, they lost a good customer who talks to a lot of people. The first chance I get, I'll sell the car and have nothing to do with Saturn, or GM for that fact, again. Anyone want to buy a used Saturn?
It seems to me a company that boasts about customer satisfaction refers only to the most expensive cars in their line but do the majority of people really drive those cars? I would think most people who drive Chevys are the working class people who fill the middle class section of the country. The ones who go to work everyday just making enough to feed and house their family. Do they brag about their satisfaction or just that of those who buy Cadillacs or Corvettes?
My story starts about five years ago, I bought a new car from the local dealer here and had nothing but trouble. At 3000 miles the tail light and turn signal shorted out and did it every three thousand miles until finally at 18000 miles I grew weary of the runaround and the dealership not able to figure out why it happened. I started to inquire about trading it in because of the fact it was such a safety hazard to drive without tail lights or turn signals when they told me they would do nothing really to assist me into another car and offered me five grand on the trade it based on the fact they would never be able to certify it as a "Certified GM car because of all the problems it had."
I was floored, I could not believe it, however they did offer me four free oil changes. Devastated I had no choice but to buy a new car and was forced to refinance 8000.00 of the remainder of the balance into the new car. I went all the way as far as I could go through their customer service office but was never even given an apology about the lemon they sold me.
Now four years after buying the new car I still owe just under ten grand for the car and was involved in a collision. Being as the dealership had always serviced the car and the damage to the car I opted to take it to the collision center there. They have had my car for 32 days telling me for the last two weeks how it would be Tuesday when on Tuesday they only extended it to Friday. Friday it had to be the following Wednesday and so on.
Today they call telling me it is ready. I take the rental back, go to the collision center. The car looks OK but when I start it the airbag light was on. The man asked if I had a problem driving it like that as he told me they didn't have anyone to look at it besides they were getting ready to close. Oh he was nice enough and offered to take me home but being as he was a total stranger to me I passed. They closed behind me before I had even found a way home telling me I would have to come back the next day.
Now I may not know much about business but it seems to me all the times I sat in the waiting room to the service center most of the people sitting there seemed to have the same story or similar. A retired gentleman told me once of his truck and how they could not figure out what was wrong until his warranty went out and he had to pay over a thousand for the repair. How can they survive with the dissatisfaction so many of their customers carry? Well that is my story and I just wanted to voice it in a public forum. Perhaps one day the right person will hear them and some justice will be served somewhere for someone.
OHIO -- General Motors customer service 2nd level representatives are the "Final" level and decision maker in the company. It's amazing that they are not allowed to forward you to any management; give a physical address or correct department to send a consumer complaint to; or even give you the name of any manager. I was told it is company policy. Wonder why??? Could it be TOO many consumer complaints and now they don't want to hear it... I did my research too late - don't make the same mistake.
This whole issue started because our 2003 Pontiac Aztek started making a horrible noise - out of nowhere - on a Thursday evening. We immediately parked it until we could get service. We ended up at a Midas because we didn't know what it was - sounded like it could be the brakes - and Midas was the first shop we came to - we didn't want to drive the car any further. When I described the noise to the guy behind the counter, he smiled, said "I think I know what it is" and asked if there was any yellow discoloration around the rims - to which my husband replied, "yes there is".
He then advised us that we had hub bearing problems, a known and ongoing issue with GM vehicles. He told us he knew of several people who had to have them done more than once while still driving under the initial warranty and that GM - who is aware of this ONGOING problem with their vehicles - had a recall. He checked his computer for the information and told us to take it to a dealer because we were under that recall. He also advised us that we probably had some brake issues and we could bring it back and he would look into it. He then gave us a print out showing this problem on a list of other problems.
Unfortunately, this was a Saturday and the dealership closest to our location had a service area that was closed until Monday. Monday arrives and leaving work early, I take the vehicle in. I called first and was curtly advised that as long as my vehicle didn't exceed the mileage, (which it doesn't) I shouldn't have any issues. Let me stop here and just say that I grew up in a GM buying family. My first car was a GM, and since I got married, this is the 2nd GM we have purchased together - and it will be the LAST GM we purchase.
I arrived at the dealership and met a very courteous service advisor whom I advised of the hub bearings and brakes problems. He did some research and advised me that the hub bearings were not under recall - they were under a manufacturer "extended warranty" which GM had implemented because they are aware of this ongoing problem. However, our company "extended warranty" had just conveniently ran out. He then went to talk to his manager, and came right back telling us there was nothing that could be done. I was shocked!
We were not the first buyers on this vehicle and since the original purchase date was in January of 2003, that means the "extension" ran out in January of 2008. I asked why we were never notified and told them that we were not the first owners on our previous GM vehicle, but that when there was a problem with the fuel line we received a letter and thus immediately took the vehicle to the then closest dealership - which was a whole lot nicer to us as customers than the one we are currently dealing with -- The service advisor "advised" me to contact GM. (Okay - maybe we should have caught the hint when our Bonneville had a recall.)
He also told me he had to run a diagnostic check to tell us the problem - and of course that involved a service charge that would not be included in any repairs. I had shown him the printout and he took it to do his research (and never gave it back).
I called the company in good faith, expecting an admission to their dropping the ball in notifying us and for them to cover the problem. In explaining the situation to their extremely courteous 1st level customer service (after I was hung up on the first time) I was assured this would be immediately escalated to a higher level to be handled and they were extremely sorry for my inconvenience.
As anyone who has dealt with the customer service at GM is aware - the first level is where the "customer service" attitude ends. After this, I received a couple of messages on my answering machine - one advising us this was being looked into, and one very garbled and hard to understand message advising us of GM's final decision and that there was no further recourse available to us. I received a call from the service advisor. He told me that GM had decided to pay for the parts but we had to pay for the labor. I wasn't satisfied with this because we never received any notice of the problem. How unfair is that?
I wasn't aware that it is the CONSUMER'S DUTY to check for recalls or manufacturer defects with warranty extension. I guess we all better check periodically to see what issues our GM vehicles may be facing - because obviously it isn't the company's responsibility to let you know anything. Needless to say, I have tried to get in touch with someone higher than the customer service 2nd level folks, but since they are the end all and be all in decision making for this company - I was advised there is no further recourse. I guess we buy their products at our own risk? Never again.... Buyers Beware!
TOPSHAM, MAINE -- I've spent the last three months playing a shell game with General Motors and three of their dealerships and all of the shells were empty. While traveling in my 2003 Chevrolet Pickup in Georgia in late December, I had a breakdown. Prior to the breakdown, my truck had been problem free. Duvall Chevrolet of Clayton, Georgia, determined that the Transfer Case needed to be replaced. After some discussion, I agreed to have the Transfer Case replaced with a GM replacement Transfer Case with a 3-year warranty. I was in a travel status and continued west after the repair was completed.
I had only gotten about a hundred miles when I realized that I had a fairly significant vibration that I hadn't had prior to the repair. I called Duvall, who told me it was probably nothing serious and I should talk with my hometown dealership when I returned. Subsequently, I also determined that I had fluid leaking from an area near the Transfer Case, which I had never noticed before.
I stopped at Herb Adcox Chevrolet in Chattanooga, TN, where I was told that the Transfer Case was leaking fluid and that a damaged U Joint was the cause of the vibration. As I understand it, the U Joint is connected to the Drive Shaft which is connected to what else: The Transfer Case. Guess who paid? Me. Adcox topped off the Transfer Case fluid so that I could return home and see my local dealership, Goodwin Chevrolet of Brunswick, Maine.
Goodwin inspected the vehicle and determined that the problem was a crack in the Transfer Case Adaptor Housing, which is connected to what else: the Transfer Case. Guess who paid? Me. I don't pretend to be a mechanic, but it defies all logic that these problems that were non-existent prior to the Transfer Case replacement weren't related to the original problem or the work that was done.
I submit that any rational, objective person would conclude that there was a direct relationship covered by the warranty, especially since the warranty work was essentially the same work as that completed replacing the Transfer Case Adaptor Housing (That's straight from Goodwin Chevrolet. Of course, they could have been funning me).
I filed a complaint with GM Customer Service (File # ** - they sure have a lot of complaints), but GM didn't find any beans under the empty shells. They reached the self-serving conclusion that none of these problems were related and warranty didn't cover any of my expenses. My advice: Don't waste your time buying GM warranty parts and don't buy a GM product either.
I have this message for GM: In my life, I've purchased 8 General Motors vehicles, including 5 new ones. God willing, I'll purchase several more vehicles before I pass on to greener pastures. I'll never purchase another General Motors product because you treat good customers like trash. The next time you folks are staring at the boardroom wall wondering why sales are declining, look in the mirror and remember Missing Bean in Maine and millions more like him.
BALTIMORE, MARYLAND -- I was so very excited to find a dealer in my area that had a Solstice in stock for sale! On August 26, 2006 I purchased my 2007 Solstice off the showroom floor of a dealership, Penn Pontiac, Baltimore, MD to be exact, despite horrors with the "salesman" at the dealership. The problems started immediately when I pulled in my driveway with my new prize and my neighbors gathered around to take a look. (How could they not?!) One of them pointed out to me that there was a large screw in my tire. Then, I put the convertible top down and found the rubber weather seal badly damaged.
No problem, right, it's a brand new car? Got right on the phone to the putz that I bought the car from whom wants to argue with me "how do I know you didn't do it on your way home?" (I live ten minutes from the dealership!) This was on a Saturday evening. When Monday evening (after work) rolled around, I had a friend meet me at the dealership to give me a ride home. I was fully prepared to return the car to them if they were not willing to replace the tire and repair the weatherstripping.
After a very heated go-round with my favorite sales rep he finally agreed to do the repairs. Promptly on the 10th of the next month my first car payments, yes plural, showed up in my mailbox. This genius sales rep and the credit manager at the dealership got me financing at two different banks simultaneously! I have a payment due in 10 days, but who do I pay?
Back to the dealership I treck. I could see my favorite sales rep roll his eyes when he saw me coming through the door. It took an act of congress but I did get the financing squared away (without so much as an apology from the dealership.) Oh, by the way, did I mention the "great" bonus I got for buying my car from the fine folks at Penn Pontiac? Free oil changes for the life of the vehicle! Actually, it was a nice little perk (or so I thought). Well, 3000 miles rolls around and I go for my first oil change. No, kidding, it was free! Next time I go back for my second oil change, I ask to have my tires rotated as well. No problem; oil change was free and I paid $19.95 to have the tires rotated. Fair enough.
But, as has been said, the third time was a charm. NOT! I got my oil changed and went to the cashier and proudly presented my free oil change card only to be told that this would be the last free oil change I would get. The dealership had been taken over by new owners; the Bob Bell Automotive Group and they will not honor my free oil change for life perk! Well, didn't that just suck??!! Oh, well. What did I expect?
I wrote a nasty letter to **, the former owner and to Pontiac protesting the rip-off. Neither cared. ** never responded at all; GM responded, but didn't do a thing. I couldn't believe the complacency of GM's customer service person who called me! Anyway, the Bob Bell group is pretty big in Baltimore so surely my nightmare was finally over, right? WRONG! It only went downhill from here.
Time for oil change #4, so off to the new owners at the dealership I went. I was also due to have the tires rotated again. I waited an hour or so for them to finish my car and paid the cashier my bill. Around $49, I think. Not too bad. I go out and get into my car and start out of the parking lot thinking that something didn't feel quite right. But, the parking lot was gravel (yeah, can you believe that one?) so I rolled out onto the highway.
I got about 50 feet around the corner and knew something was DEFINITELY wrong. I pulled back onto the parking lot via the other entrance and got out of my car to look. I couldn't believe it! Right front tire had only ONE lug nut on it! Needless to say I was scared to death thinking of what could have been!
I walked back into the service area and asked the service manager if he was trying to kill me? "Why," he said. I invited him outside with me to look at my car. "Oh, I'm sorry. I get that taken care of right away." He called over the intercom for ** who turned out to be some kid who worked on my car that was dumber than a post. "Gee, I'm sorry," he said. He fixed my car and I never did see the service manager again. I was still pretty shaken so I just took my car and went home. This took place in late October / early November 2007.
Here comes the icing... On January 21, 2008, at about 5:10 PM, the height of rush hour traffic, I am about 1.2 miles from where I had just left work, on a very high traffic road, driving 40 MPH (the speed limit) in the right lane when, without any warning whatsoever, a loud BOOM! And my car went into a 360 degree spin landing in (luckily) a center turn lane. Scared me unbelievably! How I managed to not hit anyone or have them hit me is nothing short of a miracle! I managed to get the car off the road into a gas station that was fortunately right there. I had difficulty getting the car to move.
People came running from everywhere. I assumed that I blew out a tire, but upon examining the car, there was nothing blown, leaking, dragging or visibly broken. I called AAA and had the car towed just 3 blocks down the road to Anderson Pontiac. The tow truck driver had a very difficult time getting the car to move up on to the rollback. When we got to the dealership, the service department was already closed and again, the tow truck driver had a hard time getting the car off the truck. He thought that I maybe broke a tie road causing a wheel to lock and throw me into such a violent spin. I left the vehicle with a note and went home.
Next morning I called the dealership and spoke to a very nice person there who told me that from what little he'd seen that it was most certainly not a tie rod, but rather a problem with the rear-end and he would call me when he had more information around noon.
Well, it was finally 3:00 and I knew that this was not a case of "no news is good news" so I called the dealership. I spoke to the same guy who informed me that the BOOM I heard was the rear differential "exploding". Whatever that means! He continued by telling me that he would have to replace the whole rear and that he couldn't locate one anywhere in the country. He told me that the dealership would pay for my rental car and that he would let me know in a few days what he could do.
First, I want to comment on the difference between the service department at this dealership versus the other one that I had been going to. Everyone here from the time I rolled up with the tow truck forward has been so professional and knowledgeable I was shocked. While it is very comforting to know that my car is in good hands, I really wonder what the residual damage is to the vehicle and whether or not I should accept a vehicle back with only 23000 miles on it after such a major and violent incident?
I have better than 5 years worth of payments left on this car and what's to say that something else couldn't happen as a result of this incident? And, with all of the historical information available to buyers today, how would I ever sell it? DO you think maybe this car has dark cloud?
HERMITAGE, PENNSYLVANIA -- I purchased a 2007 Pontiac Torrent on September 9th, 2007. 8 days later all the lights came on, saying it needed service (stabilization/traction control/anti-lock brakes/all-wheel drive (supposed to be on-demand)). I took it to the dealer and they ran a test and said the speed sensor was bad, they had to order the part, so I had to make another trip for repairs.
After the repairs I went for a quick shopping trip to a store next door and then got 5 minutes away and the lights came on again. Since I had just left the dealership not long before that, I turned around and went right back and they ran the test again and then produced a bulletin that said GM knew about the problem and that it was lights only. I had also contacted Pontiac 2 times, one time they told me it was a lights issue and that the all-wheel drive on demand was still on-demand, the first one gave me free oil changed, like that was going to make me feel safer. It paid more to get the added safety features.
Well, it continued to make funny sounds and the lights never went off, so I contacted Pontiac again and got another rep, who said she wanted to change me from an unhappy Pontiac customer to a happy one. She also wanted me to get it in and have them retest it, and guess what - the bad part they supposed replaced with a good part, the good part was bad also, or else the dealership lied and never replaced it to begin with.
So I asked them if the repairs this time would help my gas mileage, since there was an electrical issue, and at first he told me no, then upon checking he said it should help because the wheel axle was turning. So I said, "that means the all wheel drive is working all the time", and he said YES. I said "no wonder the gas mileage sucked, you know, if the roads were bad and the all-wheel drive was active, I wouldn't mind the gas mileage going down, but not on good roads." So anyway I had to take it back in again for the repairs and he said "this should help your gas mileage too", and I said "I hope so, but was told that before, and you know what, my gas mileage still sucks."
I will hold off giving the name of the dealership's name, other than to say they are in Hermitage Pennsylvania and recently bought the dealership. You know, I have always been taught that you should always give someone the item they bought, but you know, this dealership did not give me what I bought. I bought a 2007 Pontiac Torrent with stability control, traction control, anti-lock brakes so that I would feel safer when driving, but did not get all of the features. I bought an expensive LEMON, and you know what, I will never ever buy another vehicle from this dealership (or any of the car lots within this company's operations) and will never buy another Pontiac.
Hey if they don't care about me, then I don't care to buy from them. You would think in this highly competitive field, they would care more about their customers. But I guess that is what I get for thinking. This is a dealership and a manufacturer problem, and they need to get their acts together.
MOORESTOWN, NEW JERSEY -- I got a flat tire in the pouring rain. I called GM roadside assistance. I was told it would be about 45 minutes. After an hour waiting, no one shows. I called GM roadside assistance. They told me the guy's truck broke down, they will not be coming and they never called to cancel. Therefore, I must wait another 45 minutes. This started at 8 pm, I got home after midnight.
We own a 2003 Saturn vue with the 2.2 Echotech engine (timing chain) and we noticed a slapping sound near the timing chain area at idle and the noise smoothed out at a higher rpm. We took the vue to an authorized repair dealer and they briefly looked at it and said it sounds bad so I left it over night for their techs to look at it and after $200.00 later they said the motor needs to be replaced new $3500.00. Plus install or a used engine with 70000 miles so I informed them to get it ready and I'll pick it up after paying the $200.00 fee.
They said they found metal in the oil so they put new oil in the engine. After looking at the paper work I noticed they didn't even install a new oil filter? Then I was told that I may not even make it home without destroying the engine so I took it to a honest and capable mechanic I know. He said it sounds like the timing chain is slapping the motor casting after removing the top of the engine valve cover and discovered a bolt had backed making the timing chain guide to loose for the chain tensioner to adjust as needed.
After looking at the problem we decided to make a piece to hold the guide in position because the bolt worked loose and watered out the bolt hole and could not use a bolt so we took measurements and we machined a piece to retain the chain guide. He installed it and the engine sounds great and hope to get another 120000 mile out of our vue. The job can be done by any decent mechanic. We have the dimensions to make more (but the secret is to get it fixed before the chain breaks slapping noise is a good indication). Any questions I can be contacted.