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Food Poisoning
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DALLAS, TEXAS -- Natalie’s Restaurant Royal Lane My wife had a saver case of FOOD POISONING, Thursday Aug 23 7:15 PM Chicken Parmesan Cheese, salad, and pie.

I have known the owner for 10 or 15 years and considered him a friend. When I called to let him know there was a danger to his customers, which he might want to withdraw the chicken he became very defensive and said this could not happen. I did not ask for anything for my wife and I.

Linda had dyeria, vomiting, and swollen stomach, sever headache, all the symptoms of food poisoning, within 45 min to 1 hour after eating there.

What comes next, called the health department, canceled the credit card payment, this note for you all, and whatever I can think of next.
     
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Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
Although possible, 45 minutes is pretty short lead time for food poisoning. When I see these posts I always have to wonder why it is always food poisoning, and not just a case of the flu? The latter is much more common and likely.
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
Not that you really wanted to know as your comment was meant more as spite than a legitimate query but since you asked:

saver = severe
dyeria = diarrhea

Really not that difficult to figure out and I'm sure you knew that but I guess some never miss an opportunity to feel superior.
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
Some friend you are 369, you get a bellyache and other afflictions that you can't even spell and right away you want to blame poor ol' Natalie! What else did you eat in the last 24 hours or so?
Think about that before going around pointing fingers.
Bad food doesn't cause your head to "SEVER!"
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
zz has a good point. Food poisoning does not set in for at least 24 hours. It could be a stomach virus or, as zz said, a case of where you ate 24 hours prior.
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
Stewart, if you don't have any advice for the OP, then please refrain from harassing other members regarding their comments.
If you are not trying to help, you are part of the problem.
Thank you very much.
i_am_canadian on 08/28/2009:
That's usually the case but not always true. It depends on the pathogen that the food was contaminated with.
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
zzrokk, if you don't have any advice for the OP, then please refrain from harassing other members regarding their comments.
If you are not trying to help, you are part of the problem.
Thank you very much.
old fart on 08/28/2009:
C'mon guys, be nice... life's too short!
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
He started it old_fart. Every since I got my second star zzrokk has been most unkind to me, Oklahoma and Barry Switzer. I mean come on now how does me rising above Zzrokk in the my3cent's hierarchy remotely have anything to do with the bootlegger's boy?
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
OF, if you don't have any advice for the OP, then please refrain from harassing other members regarding their comments.
If you are not trying to help, you are part of the problem.
Thank you very much.
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
Zz, he has been on Alley's case for a long, long time. Nothing new with that. Can't even remember what got him started with her. Alley is good people in my book.
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
Yeah Stewart, lay off of Alley!
Chex, that is true. I remember eating at a Tastee Freeze when I was a kid and so does my babysitter that ended up "wearing" that tainted meal!
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
Zz, I don't lay in or lay off any particular member. Unlike many I respond to comments without passion or prejudice as to who posted it.
Mrs. V on 08/28/2009:
From the CDC website: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/foodborneinfections_g.htm

What happens in the body after the microbes that produce illness are swallowed?

After they are swallowed, there is a delay, called the incubation period, before the symptoms of illness begin. This delay may range from hours to days, depending on the organism, and on how many of them were swallowed. During the incubation period, the microbes pass through the stomach into the intestine, attach to the cells lining the intestinal walls, and begin to multiply there. Some types of microbes stay in the intestine, some produce a toxin that is absorbed into the bloodstream, and some can directly invade the deeper body tissues. The symptoms produced depend greatly on the type of microbe. Numerous organisms cause similar symptoms, especially diarrhea, abdominal cramps, and nausea. There is so much overlap that it is rarely possible to say which microbe is likely to be causing a given illness unless laboratory tests are done to identify the microbe, or unless the illness is part of a recognized outbreak.
BokiBean on 08/28/2009:
Don't make me tell my 'mama food poisoning' story again!

Seriously, to the OP, unless you had a diagnosed case of food poisoning, it was foolhardy to try to give your friend a head's up. Surely you can understand his position.

And if he's that much of a friend, what are you doing trashing his eatery on the net? Spare us all from friends like this...

NOT HELPFUL!
BokiBean on 08/28/2009:
Oh, and let me just add that constant comments like "get a life", "drama queen", "boo hoo" etc...are leaving yourself WIDE OPEN from remarks for other posters.

"Important spelling critique" aside...its helpful to be helpful here..and you guys know it.

Loyalty is nice, but let's be realistic.
Eloise on 08/28/2009:
Your wife couldn't get food poisoning that quickly, so you'll have to blame someone else.

SPELL CHECK!
Mrs. V on 08/28/2009:
Eloise, yes, food poisoning can happen that quickly. Please refer to my post above from the CDC ^_^
Eloise on 08/28/2009:
I did and in my opinion it the 'incubation period' is longer than 45 minutes. The CDC comment didn't give a specific time period.
Slimjim on 08/28/2009:
Best answer ZZ. What kind of so called "friend" is this? He's out bashing the poor dudes business on the net because his wife (no mention of him, who also no doubt ate), gets sick without any proof of cause. He got defensive- gee, ya think? How would you react. BTW, this happened a week ago. Did he have any other complaints? Do you think that chicken from Thursday is still be served that you needed to get on the net with this warning now?
By the way you handled this, you have no business calling Mr. Natalie your friend.
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
To a certain TWO STARRED MEMBER here, WE are discussing the OP's concerns about their sickness NOT M3C etiquette, okay?
THANK YOU AND HAVE A NICE DAY.
*why don't you write a friggin' book*
Mrs. V on 08/28/2009:
Eloise, I worked for the CDC (and quite a few other medical institutions ^_^) and food poisioning can start to show symptoms (depending on the organism and/or contaminant) in about an hour. The ones that present quickly tend (not always, but usually) to be the ones that run the course the fastest.
BokiBean on 08/28/2009:
Then why are we telling people not to Google?

ZZ, you got a bad habit of only looking at an issue from one side...your's. If you're going to defend a member who constantly snipes at posters here, you're going to get feedback. Learn to deal with it gracefully.
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
Thanks Slim, 369 is way out of line. When I see people on here making baseless accusations it causes my stomach to swell and my head to sever! Not a pretty sight.
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
chex, you are right. I withdraw my 24-hour statement. After reading Mrs. V's info, I looked up food poisoning and it said sometimes it can set in quickly--in 30 minutes.

I was basing my answer on info my doctor gave me years ago when I had food poisoning. I've had it twice--both times it was almost 24 hours to the minute.

Thanks, Mrs. V, for the good information.
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
"stomach to swell and my head to sever!"

Sounds like what I think I feel like five days out of the month. :-)
Sparticus on 08/28/2009:
It is very tough to pinpoint when/where food poisoning occurs, since it can happen as soon as within the hour to the next day... A usual tell-tale sign is when more than one person gets sick and you can compare and see what you both ate...
Mrs. V on 08/28/2009:
My opinion, as a medical person, should have been that the OP should have taken his wife to the ER to be treated and have the food poisoning suspicion confirmed (or denied). Then the hospital would have contacted the CDC with the information if it was food poisoning and the CDC would have contacted the restaurant for an investigation if needed.
Mrs. V on 08/28/2009:
You're very welcome knowitall ^_^ Glad to help!
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
Boki, you don't know me so don't even try to portray me in any kind of negative way, you dig? I post what I feel and I would appreciate it if you would stop following me around critiquing my every post.
Just because you don't agree with my style and grace here does not give you the right to hate on me.
My mere existence here is to help people (and you surely need some).
In closing, if I want your opinion, I will form it for you.
DigitalCommando on 08/28/2009:
If the restaurant owner really was a friend, you would think he would show some concern and ask a few probing questions before jumping onto the defensive denial bandwagon. This type of reaction to me signifies that the owner may be feeling a little guilty about something? Maybe times are tight and he's not throwing away food as quickly? This is not a case of false accusation for a free meal or monetary reward, it was a friend bringing the possibility to light so that he could look into it and possibly prevent it from infecting others. And this is a bad thing to some of you?
Mrs. V on 08/28/2009:
Thank you, chex ^_^
BokiBean on 08/28/2009:
LOL! Good luck with all that.

"..if I want your opinion, I will form it for you."

ZZ, if you just want YOUR opinion, why are you here at all? This is a place where people can freely express opinions of all types...not just your's.

If you want people to solely agree with you, try payin' them..that MIGHT work. Or form your own website, where you can expound and confound to your heart's desire with no interruptions.

Til then, see ya on the next thread I choose to post on. If you don't like it, feel free to block me.
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
Mrs V. and Spart, spot on.
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
C20, maybe the owner was getting defensive about this guy stiffing him on the check. I'd love to hear the restaurant's version of this story, and also how many OTHER complaints they got for that day. I'm not a betting man, but if I were I'd bet none.
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
Mrs. V, I read that they rarely test for it because the outcome is usually the same and there are too many causes. How could they ever be sure where you were infected with it (especially for those that eat out a lot or even buy food at a grocery store)? I suppose if a lot of people were affected that ate, say, at a McDonalds's, then they could pinpoint it. But, if it was one isolated incidence, would they still go through an investigation? Makes you wonder.
DigitalCommando on 08/28/2009:
ZZ, sorry bud, but I have to call you out on this one. Can you select a comment of yours on this blog, that you feel was helpful to the OP. Feel free to cut and paste it so that we can witness the proof which supports your claim.
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
I never knew that food poisoning could set in so quick. Thanks for the info everyone.
Slimjim on 08/28/2009:
DC, this is a guy's livelihood. His business, his income, everything. There was no proof of poisoning and no one else in the story, is mentioned as getting sick. Why come a week later to the worldwide web and blast this restaurant? It's payback for not giving the reaction the guy wanted to hear when he approached Nat's. Why the obsession to bury this guy? Clearly 369 isn't done.
"What comes next, called the health department, canceled the credit card payment, this note for you all, and whatever I can think of next. "
BokiBean on 08/28/2009:
Question: Wouldn't a credit card give you grief over trying to cancel payment on a restaurant tab?

First of all, I know its quite some process, don't they mail you a form, fill it in, send it back, and then wait for the cc's decision on it...so I doubt this has already been done.
Mrs. V on 08/28/2009:
Good questions, knowitall ^_^

I can answer a few of them.

Hospitals do test for food poision (stool samples, mostly) when it's at a public venue (like a restaurant) if:

1) there is more than one person that presents with symptoms.
2) the symptoms are partiularly bad (or there is a death).
3) if the public venue has had previous outbreaks or complaints.
4) if the patient requsts it.

The DCD will act on any information a Hospital gives them and will look into any compaint(s) by individuals (but not as quickly as by a Hospital).

I hope this answers some of your questions ^_^
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
But even the in the site that Mrs V so graciously referenced, the CDC says that the incubation ranges from HOURS to days. The OP's spouse was going both ends in 45 minutes. I stand by my original assertion that this sounds more like the flu than anything else.
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
Just imagine, boki. You dispute the charge, they find the restaurant's charge valid, then you owe interest and a late charge. That sounds about right, LOL.
BokiBean on 08/28/2009:
Yeah! If people could just claim food poisoning, and say they didn't want to pay a tab..sounds like it would create a fine mess.

And reading Ken's post, I swear, it almost sounds like Irritable Bowel Syndrome..not to diagnose, but that's just what came to mind.
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
Thanks, again, Mrs. V.
Mrs. V on 08/28/2009:
Ken, I can't say that it was or was not food or flu *but* I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, that food poisioning can start to show symptoms in as little as an hour.

It *may* have been food poisioning, but without tests there is no way to know.

The OP contacting the health dept, who in turn will contact the CDC if they have had prior complaints of food poisioning at this restaurant, was the right thing to do.
DigitalCommando on 08/28/2009:
The best way to deflate an enemy or potential enemy in this type of situation is through cooperation. The owners reaction to the issue WAS the cause of the OP's reaction. Had he handled it properly, it would not have escalated the way it has. A smart owner would attempt to mitigate the publicity and or lawsuits by cooperating with them and showing some care and concern and winning them over. This shop owner will learn the hard way that immediate denial and defensiveness are automatic losers.
jktshff1 on 08/28/2009:
best way to deflate an enemy is to kill more of them faster and harder before they do the same to you.
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
DC, here you go: Some friend you are 369, you get a bellyache and other afflictions that you can't even spell and right away you want to blame poor ol' Natalie! What else did you eat in the last 24 hours or so?

That is my writing style, up close, in your face and dripping with cold hard facts along with a slice of humor.

The OP, was out of line pasting the "friend's" place of business on here in a negative light. That is wrong and irresponsible.
Not only is that MY opinion but it is the correct AND most CONSTRUCTIVE one............
People sitting in their curlers and night clothes playing consumer advocate on here until their "other half" gets home wouldn't understand that. I know you do though, DC.
DigitalCommando on 08/28/2009:
I'm still searching for the 'helpful' part. Is it behind one of the periods?
BokiBean on 08/28/2009:
Why you got to be insulting and personal? At no point have I been nasty like that with you. Try to stick to the issues and quit taking the low road, please.

Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
Ever heard of "constructive criticism?"
We are all adults here, if one wants things sugar coated, then watch the Barney Show.
BokiBean on 08/28/2009:
The funny part of your post zz is that we AGREED on the issue, so where's the part that I can't understand?
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
If you can't take it, then don't dish it out. Understood?
BokiBean on 08/28/2009:
ZZ, that is perfectly acceptable. But don't expect ME to sugar coat my comments either. It goes both ways...
BokiBean on 08/28/2009:
I'm not the one whining about it..you are. So what's to take?
Eloise on 08/28/2009:
I must have missed the memo that it is pick on ZZrokk day. Can we all knock it off? I don't think any of us like to be ganged up on. Rodney King a well-known philosophist once said, 'Can't we all just get along?'
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
I'd like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony . . . . . . . . . . . .
Eloise on 08/28/2009:
ZZ, this applies to you too. Down boy!
BokiBean on 08/28/2009:
ZZ's a big boy, he can take it. I'd love to take it into IM, where its more appropriate, but til he can "man up" and go that route..it'll have to be here.
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
This is getting boring. Time to move on and help another person in distress and/or contribute something more to the site besides this "circle jerk".
Carry on mateys!
DigitalCommando on 08/28/2009:
Your comments lately here live in the opposite world of 'constructive'.
Recently you have become far more negative and condescending to the posters here. Is their a problem in your life that we can help you with?
Mrs. V on 08/28/2009:
I'd like to hold it in my arms and keep it company...........
Eloise on 08/28/2009:
Is that comment for me or ZZ?
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
Of course not Eloise, it pertains to my "creative writing" instructor(s) here. *wink-wink*
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
LOL Mrs. V. :)
Anonymous on 08/28/2009:
Yea, sorry to bust your bubble but, food poisoning symptoms do not set in for 24-48 hours later. So whatever you ate that made you sick, it was not from food at Natilie's Restaurant.
Mrs. V on 08/28/2009:
Tom, please see my link to the CDC web site above. Food poisoning can 'set in' "hours to days, depending on the organism, and on how many of them were swallowed." ^_^
madconsumer on 08/28/2009:
unless the person was tested and positively identified as food born illness, your claim is a false one.

some friend you are.

SOME types of food born illness can setin as fast as 1 hours, but on rare occasions.

staphylococcus is one type.
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