Is It A Scam Or Not?
PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA -- I am not a beginner in savage vehicles. I drive 2 cars myself that I have bought, had rebuilt and have driven for over 4 years and familiar with salvage prices. I live in an area where 50% of the vehicles on the road have been rebuilt locally. When wanting another bike, I have rode bikes for over 30 years, I decided to go the salvage route. After research I thought the Ridesafely.com site seemed to look the best for me. There are numerous other sites that shadow their terms exactly, word for word, this seems strange itself.
Over a 2 week period I bid on several (9 or 10...I lost count) bikes. I was targeting the Harley FXD series and similar Harley models. I had a deposit made by the my second bike I bid on. I made my deposit via Pay pal within minutes of having the high bid on the Ride Safety website (step one). I will describe the procedures as a 3 step process. Step One is bidding on the Ride Safety web site, the auction on their website ends around 8, 9 or 10 PM depending on the auction location. If you are the high bidder there, you send the 400.00 deposit to them by 10:00 AM the next day, then you go to step two.
Step two ends at around 12:00 to 1:00 the same day of the Deposit day. This is where you have the chance to increase your bid against other websites, which always happens if you want to stay in the ball game according to the calls from Ride Safely. The Ride Safely bidding on that item is over by then, supposedly you are bidding against other bidders on other web sites and the live auction. The Ride Safely people call you on the phone as soon as you are out bid by other websites etc. If you are watching your notifications on their website, it is within seconds you get the call from their people that you are out bid as well as being notified on the website. It is normally within the last hour of Step Two that you will have the chance to increase your bid from their phone call. The third step is when the second step ends and if you are the high bidder at the end of the second step, you wait until 9:00PM of the same night to see if you have won all the bidding. In all cases I never did Win the bidding in the 3rd step.
After the third step is over, you are sent an e-mail and on the website, you can see if you bought the bike or not by monitoring the offers area of the website. If you did not Win the deposit will be credited back to your account there. This happens long before the e-mail arrives. They say you are notified by 9:00 PM but it doesn't happen to 9:30 or 10:00 PM on the website and much later by e-mail. This is a problem if you want to bid on other bikes that same night if you loose you offer in step three. This happened to me several times. Step three is the area you have no control of and is a mystery to me. To speak exactly of my experience of why I quit the website.
After bidding on several bikes and making it to step two and step three, I never won the bidding in step three. When I was notified at the end of step three, I would be told the selling price of the bike. I was bidding on 2005 or later Harley FXD models. I was always winning the step two process around the 2600 to 2900 Dollar area. When I was notified after step 3 they would tell the final price the bike sold for usually around 5000 to 6000 dollars in each case that I lost. Then a 2005 FXD in Denver (nicer than any bike I had bid on earlier and with far lees damage, less than 8,000 miles and it ran and drove)I was bidding on a week earlier I lost the bid of step one by 100 Dollars. We went in to over time on the bidding process in step one but I let it go for 2900 to someone else, my last bid was 2800. Then a few days later the same exact bike shows back up at the same auction and on the Ride safety website. I called and asked why? They told me that the person didn't send their deposit in and it was returned to the sale when that happens. Well this is where it all gets fishy for me for many reasons.
The deposit has to be in by 10:00 AM then you are still bidding against other websites and the live auction until 12:00. So if the deposit wasn't in, the bidding was still going on at other places at the time the Ride Safety didn't receive the deposit from their client. So if the bikes in the past was selling for 5000 to 6000 dollars you would think at 2900 dollars or higher this would had been no problem to sell to other bidders on other websites and at the live auction and my complaint to Ride Safety was ....why didn't I have the chance to put my bid in at my last highest bid at 2800 or at least have a chance to bid at 2900 since they didn't get the deposit from the other guy, they had at least 2 hours to call me? Remember, if you are the high bidder in step one, during step two you are called within seconds of supposedly being out bid. So in this case they had two hours to call me and say the other didn't send the deposit in. Then the real fishy thing is no one else in the world and from the live auction and other web sites didn't bid for this bike over the 2900?
MMMMM.. this is strange to me. I was told that when someone doesn't send the deposit in the bike is then sold at the next auction. Again, what happened to the people at the live auction and all the other websites..... and also Ride Safely doesn't have control of the bikes in almost all cases, they are owned and sold by other people not by Ride Safely, they can not return them to another auction if they don't own them, also I went to the websites where licensed dealers bid on the same bikes and there was no reserve on this bike, so it should have gone to the highest bidder if it was a real auction...This is where I think it is fishy and seems like price fixing is a question....
I asked for my deposit refund via the website. Since I did my deposit via Pay pal, I had my deposit back into my Pay pal account within 2 hours of my request, not like the other horror stories I have read. I went to the Harley dealer and bought a brand new 2009 FXD and equipped it just like I wanted, over 16,000 when finished. I can't say I was totally pleased that the way things went. I am suspicious of the bidding process. Comparing it to salvage cars the bikes go for over double on the ride safety website of what they should compared to cars..just my opinion......Also after reading some of the stories about picking up the bikes and the lack of the chance to talk to someone if a problem exists...I didn't like those comments either....
So I bailed....I guess a person should make their own mind up to use these people or not.....