On 09/10/07 I purchased Norton 360 from Symantec from online. Upon installation my computer completely changed. All Icons were changed and many other things. I won't waste your time with the small things. I spent two days chatting with techs, Printing forms from links on how to fix the problem, I installed and uninstall Norton 360 three times. That was on day one. After 12 hours of dealing with them I gave up. The next day I tried again. Still not able to receive a live update (error code 5) I received a message that Critical components were missing from Norton 360. Please contact support for help to fix these Issues.
When clicking on the support button (to avoid charges) IE 7 would not let me connect forcing me to call customer support. The Tech explained that they would be able to fix the problem at the cost of $69.99. I told her that I did not have this problem until I installed Norton 360 and under NO circumstance would I pay one penny for any service to fix what Norton 360 caused. At that time she gave me a number in which I was able to speak with a very knowledgeable Tech. He was very patient with me and explained exactly what I needed to do to get IE 7 back online.
At that time, the tech gave me a url that allowed him to share access to my computer. He began removing all information that I was told to do by the tech on day one. We were on the phone for 58 minutes. At that time the he explained he would have more to do and that we could disconnect the call. About one hour later, Norton 360 was working properly.
I switched screen names to check my balance with my checking account. It would not allow me access. Once again I had to call the 1-877-832-2810 number. After holding for more than 30 minutes, I spoke with a female tech that explained to me that you have to do a live update on each profile. 48 minutes later the service was up and running again. I felt as if I had spent two days in which I could have been making money on my computer that I should be compensated. I ask to speak with the supervisor.
He heard my complaint, he indicated that he had a bad connection and would call me right back. (He was in India because we talked about the time frame and it was 6am there and 9 pm here). About 20 minutes later I received a phone call from New York. He explained that he was told I had a problem with Norton 360. I agreed. He continued with “The problem is fixed now so what is the problem?” What is the problem? I have sat here for two days trying to fix my computer from a product I purchased from you. I feel as if you should at least be understanding that my time is just as valuable as yours.
The supervisor offered me 60 additional days of service. I explained that is not going to work. He then stated 60 days or nothing and then hung up. No goodbye, sorry sir that you have had this problem, Nothing but a major attitude. I then called to speak with the original supervisor and told him that I wanted to cancel my subscription as well as I wanted a phone call from someone that could handle the supervisor and his attitude. He agreed. Stated it would take two weeks to put the money back into my account. He would have someone call me within 24 hours. Time passed and I did not hear from anyone.
I called again HOLDING for more than 15 minutes. Spoke with the representative, gave him the priority ID number and allowed him to read the updates. He informed me that a refund had not been processed. He explained he would process the refund and I would receive the funds in my account in 24-48 hours. A little different than what the other supervisor stated. I have placed a complaint with the BBB. I also intend to write Mr. John W. Thompson (who states they are the best in customer service in article above.)
In my position I would have stayed with the company, the last tech was excellent and made everything right. However, to pay 79.99 and a supervisor (that part of the 79.99 went to his paycheck) treat me with disrespect, never say sorry for the problem, and then have the nerve to say 60 days or nothing and then hang up on me. That helped me make my decision really fast. To me it seems like Mr. Thompson is not working in the real world he must be in his own bubble where everything is perfect. I guess I will have to be the one to break the bad news to him, as if he will care. My advice, if you see Symantec or the word Norton, run as fast as you can.
A few weeks ago, Norton's Liveupdate informed me and a friend of mine that it has some new modifications to download. My friend and I live in different parts of the country. He has a tower and I have a laptop. My friend's and my computers are around 6-8 years old. Both of us are running Windows XP and Norton internet and virus protection 2006. This new update downloaded Norton's Liveupdate Notice. This is another useless software package that hogs the system resources and provides notices if Norton has some new features and whatever other BS they want to notify you about. I immediately started having problems.
When I tried to run Liveupdate, it would not bring up the Liveupdate window. After about 1 week, I found on Norton's website something to indicate that Liveupdate Notice was downloaded and could be removed if desired. I uninstalled it from my system. I downloaded the latest Liveupdate and Norton Internet 2007 to my computer. I was just getting my system to where it appeared to at least run Liveupdate again. I still do not understand why my system is running at 88% idle but it takes forever to open files and run programs.
The excuses for their inefficient code of a person needing a faster processor, more and faster RAM, a higher capacity and faster hard drive are getting old. I am a software engineer who grew up in the days before PCs. We understood the need to design efficient code that minimized RAM, disk, and processor usage while performing complicated tasks. However, this must be another Norton feature. Anyway, I was talking with my friend and he told me how his system started crashing. It eventually got to a point where it would not boot anymore.
He took it to a repair shop and was told yesterday that the system hard drive was bad but did not know exactly what was bad about it. A couple of days ago, Liveupdate indicated that it has some more updates. I let Norton update my system. When Norton needed to reboot, I let it. When the system came up, it would hang up. I determined that if I disconnected my firewire and USB devices, the system would boot up. After the laptop was running, I could reconnect the devices and use them.
My system finally got to a point that when I rebooted, it would crash with a fatal system error and try to reboot again. I was able to boot in safemode but could not access my external drives, etc. After many attempted reboots with the same problem, I decided to boot using the last know good configuration. I was able to get my computer up and running. I am not sure when the last good configuration was because it was finding new hardware that came as part of my laptop. I am in the process of backing up all of my data from the laptops hard drive to my external drives. I do not know what will happen when I try to reboot after this.
While I would not think that this would cause a problem, perhaps there is some way for them to mess up the system hard drive or software to try to force people with older processors, thus older machines, to upgrade to a newer computer and Microsoft's latest operating system. I have news for them, my next purchase will be a MAC. My time is too valuable to waste on Norton and Microsoft's garbage. Anyway, Save yourself! Save your data! Norton and Microsoft has doomed us all!
Two weeks ago I received a computer diagnosis from Norton 360 whose service I used to protect my computer, that it was not performing correctly. I went online to their Tech Dept and spoke to a representative about this problem and apparently the Tech said he had to take over my computer to analyze the problem. After two hours on my computer which was done by a Tech in the Far East, I believe the Philippines, he advised me that I had to call his company and speak to an agent there about this problem. He gave me a Case Number.
I called the Norton Agent and was told that I had to purchase an additional service for $69.00 which would solve the problem. I inquired why my original service which was titled as 360 Norton Premier Protection did not provide the necessary coverage and which cost almost $100.00. He told me that my computer protection plan did not cover this specific problem. I consented to the purchase and he asked for my American Express account number which I gave him. After a minute the Tech came back online and said that he did not put through the number correctly and that I had to give it to him again, which I did.
He then told me he would connect me to a very Special Tech that would download the correct program for me which would take approximately 45 minutes. I told him that I had been on the computer with his Technical Staff already over two hours to begin with. This Special Tech assured me that I would be connected immediately and would have the problem solved immediately. He connected me to some department which had me waiting on a call line over 20 minutes with horrible music playing in the background.
I hung up and called back the same telephone number I was given originally to Norton and the same Agent answered my call, and said he apologized that I had to wait and would connect me immediately. Well again, I waited another 20 minutes and no response with the same lousy music.
I hung up and called back and told the Special Tech that I changed my mind, that I was not going to wait another minute for anyone and to cancel my charge on my American Express Card for the service that I did not get or receive and he became very angry with me and told me that I had to wait on line for the Customer Service Department as they would then cancel the charge. I waited almost 15 minutes and then just hung up in frustration.
So after spending almost 3 hours on the phone, I clicked on to my American Express account on my computer and saw that I was being charged for two charges of $69.00 on my account. I immediately called American Express and told them of the problem and they expressed shock as to what I had experienced and said they would file a complaint for me with Norton and have the charges removed, which they did.
The very next day, my computer started to send out emails to hundreds of people without my consent, only to have the AOL Post Supervisor to send me back hundreds of declined Daemon Declined Email notices that we not delivered and this continues to this day. I have called AOL about this problem and I may have to change my email address that I have been using now some 15 years to many people. I honestly believe that this Norton Company purposely messed up my computer, both with this Tech who had control of it for almost two hours, and when I cancelled out the additional charge of 69.00 dollars.
I have since filed a formal complaint with the BBB and Norton and have not heard one word from either. I will not renew my Norton Protection Plan again when it expires and I think you should inform your subscribers about this terrible company and their overseas misfits whose only intent is to harass you and inflict terrible problems on your computer. I thought I was dealing with a very reputable company, but have found out otherwise the hard way. Thank you for allowing me to post this terrible problem and hope that it will help anyone who is considering this company for protection to their computer.
LAKE MARY, FLORIDA -- On July 19th I received an email from Symantec alerting me that a program for internet security that I had purchased and installed on my computer had not yet been activated. In the email they provided a link to go to and download and activate the program. I did that and followed the instructions. During the download a message appeared alerting me that I would have to call a technical for assistance, which I did.
I was obviously directed to the call center in India for the technical assistance. I was on hold for 63 minutes until a technician finally answered. After another 58 minutes with him, he finally told me that he could not help me and would have to transfer me to someone else. I was on hold for over 48 minutes and the someone else wasted another 45 minutes only to tell me he could not help and that he would have to transfer me to someone else. In the process of transferring me, the connection was cut and I had to call back.
When I called back I had to hold another 73 minutes until someone answered the phone and following his instructions my computer finally crashed and could not be rebooted. He then told me that he would have to transfer me to someone else with higher skill levels and that person spent the next hour trying all sorts of things to get the computer to respond and finally said that he could not help and that it was not a Symantec problem but the manufacturers problem and I would have to get in touch with the manufacturer of my computer. I asked to speak to his supervisor and I was cut off.
I called back and demanded a supervisor and after 58 minutes a supervisor came on the line and said that she had read the technicians reports on the ticket number and that she could not help me and that the problem was not a Symantec issue, rather an issue of my computers manufacturer and I should call them for assistance. When I tried to protest and explain that my computer had been functioning perfectly until I followed the instructions in an email sent to me by Symantec for a Symantec product, she said that she would not be able to help me and said there was no one else with whom I could speak.
I called the computer manufacturer and luckily found a technician who was able to identify the problem. Unfortunately, whatever the Symantec program and technicians did caused a problem with the operating system on my computer and the only solution was to do a hard disc recovery operation which caused the loss of three years worth of work stored in my computer, all my files, client data and work papers.
I lost over $900 in consulting fees yesterday alone because I was tied up with Symantec trying to resolve the problem they created, plus a loss of more than $3,000 in additional consulting that I have scheduled for Monday but with the loss of the data will take me at least a week to recreate and therefore I cannot provide the consulting services my client needs for Monday.
It will take at least a week to recreate enough of the data files that were lost in order to be back in a position to perform my consulting work and I will definitely lose some clients as I will not be able to recreate the data they provided and once I have to request it again, they will move to another consultant to work with. Today, as if to rub salt in my wounds, I get an email from Symantec indicating that the reports show that my problem was resolved and asking me to fill out a customer satisfaction survey.
My offices are in a building that Symantec has 4 floors of people and no one there knows who to refer me to about this issue and no one there could provide any assistance despite the fact that one of the floors is a technical service group. This company does not merit any confidence and I would advise anyone dealing with them to be very careful.
I am developing a conspiracy theory that Symantec has been taken over by Dick Cheney and the Bush administration. Only something that radical can explain why a culture of incompetence pervades what used to be a good company with a solid product. I give you the anecdotal evidence, which of course is all you need for a good conspiracy theory. EXHIBIT A: The company that can't build it right. If you have a product with a subscription-based revenue stream, like Norton Antivirus, you'd want to make it easy and painless to renew subscriptions, right?
Also, you'd want to minimize the cost of support calls by making the whole renewal process easy to understand and relatively fool-proof to implement, right? Here's where it begins to get interesting. Symantec actually did the opposite of what is logical, leading me to suspect that it is a branch of government rather than a for-profit company. I was using a version of Norton Antivirus for the Macintosh I bought last year when I got a pop-up message saying my subscription would expire in a month. I went to the website, fumbled around Symantec's poor site navigation, and found the way to renew the subscription online.
Rather than simply renew NAV, I opted to upgrade the product, Norton Internet Security, and downloaded it. I followed the directions, and registered the product, but was surprised when, the next day, I got another message saying that my subscription was expiring, and would I like to renew? I also got the option to enter a subscription code and make everything right.
“Surely,” I thought, “I must have a subscription code.” After all, I paid for their product. There must be something on Symantec's site that tells me how to find the subscription code. Nooo. Finally, out of desperation, I made a support call. Actually, I made a couple of them. One tech rep suggested I deinstall Symantec completely, then reinstall. “Been there, done that,” I told him. Actually, I did more than that.
When it didn't work the first time, I manually (and painfully) discovered the loose flotsam and jetsam of the Symantec product, left over after you deinstall. You'd be surprised at the rag-tag job of deinstallation it does. I didn't expect this from a company that actually looks for such odd bits of code as evidence of malware.
So, here's the thing. The product that blurts out non-useful information; the website that leads you in circles, swirling around and around; the description in the User's Manual that simply fails to describe anything, the grossly inaccurate screenshots that show how to get the product code; and the baffled representatives who don't seem to understand what is going on— all of these point to a magnificent “pyramid of incompetence.” Connecting the dots, other "pyramids of incompetence" include the Guantanamo Bay detention system and the Federal Emergency Management Agency, suggesting the same architect is behind all of them.
EXHIBIT B: The company that can't communicate. See Exhibit A. Since their web site doesn't actually explain anything, and you have to make a support call to a human who doesn't actually know anything, we have what I call “The evil loop of non-communication.” Finally, there's the issue of “When I say ‘rebate,' I actually mean something else.” (See Exhibit C). Connecting the dots, we have the Bush Administration example: "When I say 'war', I really mean 'peace.'" (George W.) Need I say more?
EXHIBIT C: The company that counts on consumers being idiots. First, let me start by admitting that 'I am a fool.' Not only did I not get their product to work upon download, but I paid good money for the boxed product, thinking it must actually contain all of the information I need to make the thing work. I became an even bigger fool when I read the User's Manual, believing it would provide more useful information, and made additional support calls.
So, if I'm an idiot, why do I believe Symantec counts on people like me for revenue? See Exhibits A and B. When we plumb these depths, we find legal twists as intricate as a knot of Calabi-Yau space, found in Symantec's rebate approach. Here's how it works. First, get people to buy your product by promising them a Big Rebate. Then (and Symantec is not alone here) put in a lot of fine print when you actually open the box, and make it really complicated to get the money.
Finally (and this is where Symantec achieves either the apex or nadir of marketing, depending on your point of view) give people the rebate in the form of a credit card. Add more fine print saying that if you don't use the card they will deduct fees on a continuing basis.
Connecting the dots, this last touch seems to bring it all together. The same people who worked out the Symantec Rebate are obviously the ones who advised us that the Vice Presidency is an independent branch of government. Q.E.D. Having exposed this major conspiracy, please excuse me while I run and hide from the 'Men In Black.' P.S. After one final support call and many angry messages, I finally found someone at the Symantec support desk who just gave me the subscription code. I hope that Symantec has the good sense not to fire him. But then, I'm an idiot. What do I know?
This is a copy of my email sent 3/7/07 to a "Manager" at Symantec. Currently, there has been no response. Yesterday, I spent 12+ hours either speaking to or “waiting” to speak with ** of your office. When not speaking or waiting, I wasted hours trying to fix a computer problem which was caused solely by the downloading of SystemWorks 2005 and the misinformation or absence of valid information furnished by ¾ of the above employees.
Do you care? Let's hope so, since I will take the trouble of detailing a “Symantec day of torture”. My computer uses Windows 98 – I have chosen NOT to buy new one since it is reliable and causes me little problems – until yesterday that is – but the fault lays not in my computer but as you will see, with Symantec. On March 1, 2007, after continual notifications that my subscription for SystemWorks 2003 will expire on March 7th, I paid you as urged – via my credit card and the internet – the requested fee of $29.99 for a renewal of my 2003 subscription.
Yesterday, March 6th, I noticed that despite payment my subscription had not been extended. After being unable to download the renewed subscription, your website told me to call Symantec. At approximately 11:00 AM (EST) I called 1-800-927-3995 - and as was repeated for every subsequent call - waited approximately 40 minutes before speaking to **. Summarizing my conversation, ** advised me that for the same price I could receive SystemWorks 2005 and a one year free subscription. Even with this “generous” offer I was reluctant to change what had worked for me for the preceding four years and chose to renew my 2003 subscription.
He activated it and when I ran it I noticed that despite the “renewal”, viruses were only “current” to June 2006! My subscription renewal fee had bought me nothing! ** more or less said, “I told you so” and offered me a credit for the 2003 renewal and for “only” $10 more a subscription to 2005. Ten dollars more is not “the same price”, but I digress. I gave him my credit card number for payment of $39.95 for 2005 and he promised to give me a $29.95 credit for my purchase of a completely useless renewal of my 2003 edition. I was assured that despite using Windows 98, I would have no problem.
He sent me via the internet the 2005 and told me to follow the instructions – one of which was to delete my SystemWorks 2003 edition. He assigned me “Priority number ** (omitted for privacy)” and we said goodbye and I went about following the instructions. At the point where the computer was opening Norton, I received for the first time but far from the last, the following message: Error 1723. There is a problem with this Windows Installer package. A DLL required for the install to complete could not be run. Contact your support personnel or package vendor.
I tried to load the 2005 version several times but each time Error 1723 showed up instead. Knowing to call Symantec meant waiting on the phone for 30 to 40 minutes, and wondering if the problem lay with my computer, I tried to “fix" the problem myself with nothing but frustration to show for my efforts. At about 7:30 PM (EST) I again called 1-800-927-3995 and after the obligatory 30 to 40 minute wait, was connected to ** who told me the problem was that there were still Symantec 2003 files in my computer and after leading me through a series of websites, sent me Symantec “Removal Tool” with the assurance that after using this tool, all would be well.
I was reluctant to “lose” a human being's voice and asked him to hold on while I followed the instructions. ** said don't worry and gave me a “special” telephone number to call that would eliminate the waiting – 1-800-927-3991. He also assigned “priority case number” ** and told me to use that number and I would get fast service in the unlikely event that I had further problems. Of course I had further problems – that's why I am writing you. The Removal Tool apparently did not remove sufficiently since I continued to receive the Error 1723 message. I called my “special number” and it was anything but “special”.
I waited the 30 to 40 minutes again and ** got on the phone. I told him my situation and he said for an additional $39.95, Symantec would download my 2005 version from their offices. Was I upset? What do you think? ** advised me that I had been connected to the “expert” line which would only help if you paid them. I told him this was the special number that ** had given me. He said I must have pressed the wrong number on the phone.
I said, at this point after waiting hours and hours and trying to fix a problem that was not of my making - it was possible but that in view of the circumstances, please, please, please do not transfer my call which would only mean another wait. He was not moved and transferred me and I waited. Next up at about l0:00 PM (EST) was ** who reviewed my “special case file”. He sent me to various Microsoft websites and instructed me to download several files (which he couldn't or chose not to explain what they were) and to run the removal tool again.
He also told me to remove “the Help Spot” file which CAME with the computer. He said, as is often said by Symantec employees, “that should work”. For some reason I was impressed with ** and he sensed this and told me I could write to his manager at the above email address. At this point I again was reluctant to lose a human's voice and I earnestly requested him to stay on the line while I tried downloading again. He said he could not, but would call me back in 30 minutes. I was quite moved. (For the record, he never called.)
At approximately 10:30 PM (EST) I followed the new instructions with the newly downloaded files and it worked! Let us summarize: Four calls – an average of 30 to 40 minutes waiting on each call. After deleting SystemWorks 2003 as I was told to do, I was without ANY virus protection and was wary of going on the internet. After trying to download the first time, I received a series of message from my computer that a number of other applications were not working. Symantec has cornered the market. The help that you render to your customers is deadly.
Here are just a couple of suggestions: Don't offer a renewed subscription which is completely worthless – the 2003 renewal. You waste everyone's time and money. Don't allow your employees to say for the “same price” when in fact it is $10 more. Don't allow your employees to give partial and incomplete help – this only causes the customer to call back again and again and thus jam your “help” lines. – which in turns creates a 30 to 40 minute wait.
Wouldn't it have been better if the first employee I spoke to stayed with me to see if the problem was solved – which it couldn't have been – rather than compelling me to call again and again? Nearly all of my friends and business associates use one of your products. A copy of this email is being sent to them and I am sure they are as anxious as I am to learn of your response.
When it comes to internet security, you can never be too safe. My choice of security is directly dependent upon who my internet provider is at the time. For instance, when I was with Qwest, they provided "One-Care" free of charge. And now that I'm with Comcast, they have the Norton Security Suite. I have been with Comcast for quite some time now, and I must say that the Norton Security Suite is by far the best internet security package I've used.
I feel completely safe browsing whatever sites it recommends. It is hands down the easiest to navigate and understand, especially if you're not computer-literate. It puts a green check mark by the sites it finds safe to open, and a red symbol for those that it doesn't. It couldn't be much simpler. The clean-up and care is just as easy to maneuver through too.
I'm so happy to hear that I'm not the only one who has had a tech from Symantec crash my machine. I have had two crashes since I purchased Symantec a year ago. It has cost us over $600 to repair the machine! 1St crash was a virus and when I got remote access the 1st time they wanted $99 to remove the virus but in the midst of it all my data was gone. I had to take it to best buy to have them remove the virus for $130 and $150 to restore all my valuable data. This was in may of 2009. (They advised me then to rid myself of Norton b/c the program is no longer worth calling it a security protection program.
Got my machine back, worked great for about 3 months then I got another virus! Call their tech support after spending 2 days with tech's that are clueless. One of them finally claimed they would remove my virus for free! Yeah right - he destroyed my machine after 2 hours and then I got upset and said I wanted someone on America soil to call me to work out a deal to get my machine fixed, never got that called. I had to use other resources to get the number to someone on America soil - got that person. He made a promise that they would fix my machine for free! Well the bait and switch tactic worked for them.
They asked me to take my machine to best buy and they would work with them directly, well that never happened! They emailed me offering an additional 1 year subscription and a ghost. I'm unemployed and they would not pay the cost to repair my machine that the dumb tech destroyed. Best buy again, fixed my machine and advised me again not to put Norton on my machine because it would soon or later destroy my machine for good. I took their advice and now I'm using webroot. It is wonderful! No crashes - all viruses are caught and guess what "customer service” is awesome!
My machine is not slow any longer and I'm happy... However, after 3 months of deciding on what to do about Symantec costing me over $600 bucks - we have decided to take them to small claims court. Please do not purchase this product. It's a waste for the single consumer user. They truly make their money from brand name and the enterprise licenses - charging the companies maintenance fees. Your maintenance fee is the $99 every 3 months to remove viruses. Their subscription price is to load the machine with their crappy software and then rip you off b/c they are not protecting your machine. Buyer beware please.. scam, scam.
As a former reseller of Symantec products I am ashamed to have ever recommended, sold or heard of Symantec!! The technical support is shocking if not nonexistent, even as a dealer and reseller you are treated as an irritation and given the runaround speaking to at least 30 people on each time you call all of whom say they are unable to help you and you must call again and choose option x.
Our latest and last dealing with them involves Symantec backup exec system recovery server 8. For 4 months we had an open case as the software supplied does not work!! After 4 months they asked us to download a newer version which fixed all the problems, so far not great but problem resolved. Not quite, 2 months on the new software stopped working as the trial has expired!!
Well after half a day of calling support, sales, sales brother, supports mother, and about 77 other departments the final answer is you need to buy the new version in order for the software to work? No matter how many time you tell them you have purchased the software already the answer is the same, send more money, buy the new version, also buy a new support contract (for just $400.00 extra) and we will look at your problem.
No Symantec, we will not send any more money, we will not buy any more Symantec products, we will not sell any more and we will not support your products any more, you don't support us. There are real products out there with great support where the helpdesk is not in India and they you are not transferred from department to department. Warning to everyone, do not buy Symantec products ever!! If you do you will be very disappointed and have to buy something else to replace it that works. Tell all your friends, Symantec is dead. No longer mention that name in public. They had a good run but Symantec service has left the building. R. I. P.
A couple of months ago I bought my daughter a laptop for school. Of course it came with the Norton software included, (Free Trial version). About 11 days before the free trial ran out she got infected with everything under the sun. I couldn't get anything but Norton to pop up, every other security software was blocked. So I went ahead and bought the $59.95 yearly promotion that was offered to me.
The computer crashed and when I tried to contact Norton to get a refund of my money I find out, instead of them charging me the promotional price of $59.95 my card got charged $79.92. Norton informed me that their software was the best and that it must have been two antivirus softwares running at the same time. I only had what they offered. But yet I am informed that it was my mistake. Now, I have got the computer running again but, not without paying a hefty fee. And that doesn't count the money that Norton stole from me for services not rendered. DON'T GET NORTON.