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Fraudulent Tactics & Harassment
Posted by Alphawolf on 07/01/2009
HUNTERSVILLE, NORTH CAROLINA -- Our receptionist was freaking out telling me someone was coming to take photos of our offices and whatever was inside, when I got on the phone and asked the gentleman, who gave me such a bogus name he could not even spell it himself, who he was and who was sending him he said he was from MCS and was a private investigator hired by a Mr. [snip] from VeriCore. I asked for his number and he told me to contact Mr. [snip] who had his "cell" number. He also said he was going to go to all our suppliers and vendors and Banks to do an "Asset & Liability" investigation. I thought the call was weird and immediately called Mr. [snip] who asked for my email (I should have never given it out) to send the "contract" by the vendor giving him custody of the debt. He gave me a figure of almost double what we owe this vendor. I said we had a payment plan and we had been sending $$$ every month. He said it obviously was not enough and now the account was in his hands and the Vendor would not speak to us. Then @ the evening hours I get my email on my Blackberry where he sends a bogus letter, no letterhead, and an attachment, a credit card authorization form!!! I sent him a formal request for all documents including his letter of engagement by the Vendor and the name of the "investigator" and his employer so we can file a complaint with the Federal Agencies regulating their business. I specified by USPS, nothing other than that would be accepted. Of course this never came. Instead, I got another email again in the evening as a copy of a letter to the Department of Revenue requesting specific information on our Corporation. Huhhh??? You can go on the internet and find each State's Corporation filings at a minute's time. All he is doing is pretending you are an idiot and they are the smart ones...

Sadly, a lot of people are not savvy on these matters and do get intimidated. I just Googled North Carolina and found their Corporation, a Foreign LLC formed in Louisiana a few years back that got a license to do business in NC in 2004... Then I looked for complaints and to my surprise I found over 10 sites like this one with handfuls of complaints. They are being investigated by the FTC and other Federal Agencies...

PLEASE FILE YOUR COMPLAINTS!!! PEOPLE LIKE THIS HAVE TO STOP, I KNOW I AM AN HONEST PERSON GOING THROUGH SOME TOUGH TIMES, BUT I HAVE NEVER STOPPED PAYING MY DEBTS!!!
     
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Posted by Soaring Consumer on 2009-07-01:
Have you actually been in contact with this vendor that they claim refuses to talk with you?

Next time they show up on your property, call the police and have them arrested for trespassing.

Contact your state's Office of the Attorney General and the Federal Trade Commission. If you choose, you can sue these "collectors" for damages and for violating the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. You would win hands down.

This company has a history of illegal tactics and knowing that I vote this helpful.
Posted by T.O on 2009-11-13:
Is it true business owners do not have the same protection as a consumer does? I've looked on the FTC's site and tried calling the Small Business Administration, who directed me to SCORE. I literally had the EXACT same thing happen to me w/ this company - I am so angry that I'm getting such harassing calls, voice mails and threats by this Allan Wright guy (and whoever the investigator is).

I have an attorney that is just across the hall from me in my building that I am meeting w/ in just a few minutes. I will explain to her exactly what is going on and find out if my rights have been violated. This Allan jerk basically laughed in my face and told me to get my head out of the sand just for asking what my rights were!
Posted by kidkid911 on 2010-02-17:
Check out and search Vericore on youtube.com -- lots of good stuff on there about them.
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Vericore Collection Agency
Posted by Bevmo on 05/25/2006
PHOENIX, ARIZONA -- Surprised they are still in business, although they may be brand new. Severe harrassment style collection agency. They use the threats of asset investigation, lawsuit, bankruptcy, site visits to frighten people.

If you are confronted by them either in person or on the phone do the following:
1. Do not give them any personal information
2. Tell them to send you documentation
3. Report them to www.my3cents.com, Better Business Bureau and any other consumer advocacy group you can find.
4. Contact an attorney.

Vericore breaks the laws of consumer protection in their desire to make money for themselves. Scary bunch, but don't be intimidated. Let's put them out of business.
     
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Posted by Anonymous on 2006-05-25:
A little part of VeriCores’ promise to you “Mission Statement”.
From: http://www.vericore.com/about/mission.htm

At VeriCore we didn’t just embrace these changes, we demanded them. Our uncompromising standards and demands for perfection from our staff make us the industry leader in the 3 R’s of collections: Recovery, Reporting and Remittance.
While change is clearly shaping today’s business environment, VeriCore knows that our business philosophies will never change.
Tim Sanderson
President and CEO
Posted by Doc J on 2006-05-26:
Lid-Sounds like the private enterprise version of "Hi, I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Posted by Anonymous on 2006-05-26:
Doc J - It does, doesn't it....LOL
Posted by watchdog on 2006-07-08:
Vericore is certainly aggressive, but from what my attorney says they aren't breaking the law. I've had dealings with them and followed your advise only to be told that they aren't breaking the FDCPA because that only applies to "consumer" debt, not commercial debt. Thanks for the bogus advise. Not only did I have to pay the bill I owed, but I had to pay an attorney to find out you are wrong.
Posted by Mad Eye Moody on 2006-08-09:
Whatever Watch dog..you didn't not. And EVERYONE knows that the FDCPA doesn't apply to commercial debt. You're the moron that made that assumption.
Posted by azbizman on 2007-05-19:
If bevmo was on the other side of the fence, then you would be begging for an aggressive company like Vericore to come to your aid!! this comany verifies and validates all claims they are given,and YES they are aggressive, but they are also EFFECTIVE in recovering bad debt!! I use them, and will continue to do so as long as I have businesses that try to take my product and get out of paying on the lenient terms I set up!
Posted by GINGERV on 2007-11-01:
They think there slick they call you and never tell you who you owe money to but there going to make you pay / ?????????I just call them back and harrase them its funny to watch them scwerm One must know there rights thats for sure
Posted by kidkid911 on 2010-02-18:
Search Vericore on Youtube, trust me it is worth it!!
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Vericore is a joke! Don't talk to these guys!!!!
Posted by Andean Tradition on 07/29/2009
HUNTERSVILLE -- Vericore. It's too bad I can't say anything good about them! After doing business with a foreign company for about four years, and being their number one customer to boot I admit that I fell behind paying them at the beginning of this year when the economy was not very good. I was almost at 180 days which wasn't like us at all.
The day before we were getting ready to wire the balance due(about 16K) DP called and started to harass me, yell at the top of his lungs at me, which I responded by being vulgar right back. Where this scum of the earth crawled out from I have no idea. My vendor hadn't yet hired them so I called them to arrange payment. I sent 10K witht he promise that they would not report this to any credit bureau, and I would sign a contract to buy 30K from them in the next year, about a fourth of what I bought before. Of course after sending them 10K they reneged on the documentation so we sent them no more money yet. We won't send them anything until the scumbags from Vericore stop harassing us, and making threats. If they show up at my door to slash my tires as I've heard them tell other people I'd highly suggest they don't even think about it.
I had no problem paying for what I owed minus about 3K of product that was produced with very noticeable manufacturing defects. It's clothes which makes it very hard to sell when it's a noticeable defect. If it was on the inside of the garment it would have been possible. This was agreed upon with the vendor. Now they have lost about 100K per year in orders, and as much as I can possibly do to let other people know that they used Vericore instead of receiving their money. Not real smart in my book.
Unfortuately it's obvious Vericore harassed my old vendor. This guy will never see one red cent from me. I'll still pay for what I owe the vendor, and if they choose to wire money to the jerk that's their business. I guess number one customers are easy to find in other countries!!
My advice is just to report these guys to the Better Business Bureau which is what I plan on doing tomorrow. Do not, I repeat, do not talk to them on the phone as mister congeniality told me that all calls are recorded.

     
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Posted by kidkid911 on 2010-02-17:
Search Vericore on youtube.com -- lots of good stuff on there about them.
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Unprofessional And Pushy
Posted by Azpharm on 12/18/2008
I have found this collection company to be pushy and rude and they use scare tactics to try to threaten you to remit payment. They claim to be "private investigators" which they are not, they are simply a bunch of losers at a collection agency.

Rude and pushy, not a good way to do business.
     
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Posted by Ponie on 2008-12-18:
Are they trying to collect a legitimate bill?
Posted by Starlord on 2008-12-19:
Your nic seems to indicate that you are in Arizona. Are you aware the in Arizona, if you act as a private investigator and do not have a license, you are liable for a $300 for the first offense? It is just like someone giving legal advice without being a lawyer. If they contact you again, you may tape the conversation. If they claim to be PIs again. contact the police and file an official copmplaint. Most collectin agencies are blood suckers. Collecting a legitimate bill is one thing. Using illegal and extortionate tactics is wrong and illegal.
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Unlawful practice
Posted by Ckey on 11/01/2008
This company is the scum of scum. They use illegal tactics to collect a debt. Do not be intimidated by them. Call the police if they show up at your business.
     
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Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
Show up at your business? What are they, mob loan sharks?
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
C2O....I'd invite 'em to stop by the house, at which point he'd be shown the error of his ways by way of a large caliber attitude adjuster.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
Yeah Scurvy, just let them clear the doorway and that Castle Doctrine will cover the rest.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
Yes C2O.....I do, SO love Texas.....
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
It's like a whole other Country!
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
Texas is a bit like Montana. Open beer and loaded guns are allowed on the front seat of your car with you. Montana seems to have very low violent crime rates, hmmmmmmmm. In 2007 the entire state had only 14 murders, see what happens when the good guys carry guns too!
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
hey super, I'm from Montana...the reason there were only 14 murders in the entire state is because there's only about 1400 people in the whole state - and it's a BIG state, you can go days without seeing anyone, that's why all the road signs are shot to he**.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
LOL, yep fishing poles and buckshot road signs, you know you're in Montana! They did get up to 48 murders one year, think that was the year they ran out of beer and whiskey.

Ever been to Philipsburg? Great trout fishing in Rock Creek just outside of town.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
Philipsburg is near Anaconda, where I lived when my parents first moved to Montana but I don't remember it very well. I grew up in a small town in the very NW of the state.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
You have to drive thru Anaconda to get to Philipsburg, been thru there a few times. Very nice pile of slag they have outside of town...
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
I don't know what slag is but it doesn't sound very pretty, LOL. My dad worked at an aluminum plant there, I know they hated living there and moved when I was around 4.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
It was that big pile of black crushed rock on the south end of town. It was really more than a pile it was more like a small hill of the stuff. Since the plant shut down Anaconda has fallen on really hard times.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
super, do you live in the area?
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
No, just travel there for the fishing and stuff. We love Western Montana. Everything from Bozeman West.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
Go Bobcats!!

That was a wild time in MT when A River Runs Through It was filmed in the area..we were famous!! lol
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
Wasn't Montana where they killed that girl that dressed as a boy? Left her tied to a fence post or something like that. They made a movie about it as I recall.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
Think so or maybe it was Idaho? Someplace up that way.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
Probably Idaho...they're just heathens over there!! LOL
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
I was thinking Montana or else Wyoming. Sandpoint Idaho is bad ass! I had some good times there!
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
I was going to add that Sandpoint and Bonners Ferry area is pretty cool... but then that's Northern Idaho which is just as cool as NW Montana..well all of Western Montana.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
JC, we have some friends that were hiking with their dog up to the big "M" on the hill above the college. An Eagle flew down and grabbed their dog and flew off with it.

When they told us I didn't know if I should laugh, cry or say I was sorry. What a terrible feeling that must have been seeing your dog fly away knowing what it's future was going to be.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-01:
That would be horrifying!! I've heard of stuff like that happening, but never saw anything like that. My brother and I were once followed by a mountain lion for a couple of miles when we were out hiking..that was the single scariest thing that's ever happened to me.
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Harassment and illegal threats
Posted by Big Pour on 01/08/2008
VENICE, FLORIDA -- We received calls from this company today regarding a disputed bill with a vendor, they not only threatened to contact any vendor we do business with , but our financial institutions as well, none of which can be done without our permission. In addition they are threatening to send an"investigator" to our property again illegally to take photos etc.

If this is the type of company our vendors want to deal with then we don't want them as a vendor.
     
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Posted by GothicSmurf on 2008-01-08:
Pay the bill, write on it "Paid under protest- disputed" keep a copy of the check then take them to court. DO NOT CANCEL or put a STOP PAYMENT on the check because then they can collect fees, legally. (I learned that when I watched Judge Judy one day).
Posted by GWbiker on 2008-01-09:
Got a speaker phone? Next time they call to threaten you, put phone on speaker and turn on a small tape recorder with VOX and tape record their conversation. Take tape to your attorney. Sit back and relax.
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Thugs Is Not The Word
Posted by Ducksbreath on 09/19/2007
First of all the employee claimed they were a member of the better business bureau which they are not because they have too many complaints against them. Second, I have been paying on the account that I owe. Third, they called two of my banks claiming to represent the company that I owe trying to get personal info which they did not get.Fourth, they claimed they were going to shot the tires out of all of my company vehicles before the sun sets. Fifth,they have continued to call and harass my employees here in my office. Sixth, I have continued to make payments on the indebtedness.

Last but not least, the Federal Trade Commission is launching an investigation out of Atlanta, Ga. because of the enormous complaints they have had with this company.
     
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Posted by Anonymous on 2007-09-19:
If you have hard proof that they threatened to shoot out the tires then notify the police.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-09-19:
ducksbreath: You should contact the police and file a terrorist complaint against those people. Wow.
Posted by P.ness on 2008-01-08:
HAHA Come to my property Vericore ! You will never be seen again.
Posted by T.O on 2009-11-13:
This is very interesting to know. I will be filing a complaint w/ the FTC against them as well. I have three or four voice mails on my computer from them, as evidence of the harassment. Thanks for your post.
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Vericore collections and their services
Posted by Azbizman on 05/19/2007
For the record, The only people who have any type of problem with this company are the DEADBEATS who don't pay their bills!! I use this fantastic collection service when people I extend credit to try to take me for a ride!! THEY WORK!! All of these people who are hating on this company are probably deadbeats who NEED TO PAY THEIR BILLS!! I highly recommend this company and give them many kudos for what they do! They are tops in their field! They are aggressive, but effective, and have collected almost everything my company has sent them! I hope they are around for a very long time!!
     
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UNETHICAL AND ILLEGAL
Posted by Chiquita7 on 03/19/2007
This company absoltely violated the law regarding debt collection. they are frightening and had the audacity to send somebody to threaten me in person. i will do whatever i have to to bring this company down
     
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Posted by Anonymous on 2007-03-19:
Well if you paid your debt this would not happen. Isn't it illegal not to pay your debt. I would be more conserned about them taking legal action on you.
Posted by Skye on 2007-03-19:
Did you call the police and tell them you were being threatened in person???
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-03-20:
If this is for real, then you call the cops and have these guys put in jail.
1. Do not give them any personal information
2. Tell them to send you documentation
3. If you owe the money try to pay it off.
4. Contact an attorney.
Posted by Sail27 on 2007-03-20:
Pretty sparse My3Cents review but let's not just assume that chiquita7 had a valid debt. How many times have we read on this board (or experienced, like I have) a debt that is alleged to belong to an individual, but in reality is false (IE --> ID theft). So easy to say, "Pay your bills" and pass judgement without having all of the facts present for an accurate analysis. Time to apply some of those critical thinking skills, eh?
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-03-20:
sail27- It is also very funny that these people think that they can get away without paying their debts than complain when they are found out. I bet the "threat" was if you do not pay your debt within 90 days we will take legal action.
Posted by voiceoff on 2007-04-13:
ghostbuster, one reason so many people are in debt is called "USURY." It should be illegal for credit cards as well as financial institutions to charge the interest they do. IMO. The debts are often paid upfront with this % but the principal never goes down.
Ghostbuster would you also want to have debtor's prisons?
Posted by azbizman on 2007-05-19:
I have used this company a lot, and they thoroughly verify the validity of the debt!! All these people who are crying THEY HARASSED ME should have just paid for the product they took from the company that sent them to collections!! This is strictly a commercial operation, and they require PROOF of debts!! PAY YOUR BILLS and you wont get treated like a CROOK!
Posted by evilnoah on 2009-05-01:
I use Vericore to collect debts for our company! They are awesome!! Best collection agency ever!! Frankly if someone does not pay my company, I want them hounded for the money! I do not place BS claims with Vericore, it is all legit!
Posted by Marine 63 on 2009-05-14:
You may applaud Vericore, but myself as a Federal Law Enforcement Officer I do not applaud the fact that people are being threatened with the use of force against themselves or there property to collect a debt. Collecting a debt and threatening physical harm are two different things, it's not illegal to collect a debt but there are parameters set in place by the law on how you go about collecting a debt. Now, threatening physical harm against a person or someone's property is illegal and punishable by the LAW. I suggest for future reference that you review your scruples on this issue before it lands you in trouble some day.

Posted by Marine 63 on 2009-05-14:
If they threaten you it's against the LAW, especially if they send someone to you, if they send someone to you, you have the RIGHT to defend yourself by all means necessary...
Posted by azbizman on 2009-08-11:
Marine... maybe if you were in my position and had several companies(not individuals) who owed you thousands upon thousands of dollars, and refused to pay within the terms WE both agreed upon, then maybe you would think more kindly of companies like Vericore. The reality is these guys have recovered many thousands of dollars that I was owed, and not once were they out of line in doing so! they have always operated within the guidelines of the law, and have even taken tow companies to court and won judgments for my company. bottom line is only DEADBEATS have something to say about these guys.
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