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Be careful during a timeshare presentation
Posted by Geezer117 on 04/07/2010
After buying two Wyndham timeshares and listening to several other presentations, I believe I can offer useful advice on listening to a timeshare presentation.

The first thing that will happen is your salesperson will ask some general questions to get you to talk about your travel and vacation habits, what are your likes and dislikes, and any personal info they can glean. They use this to tailor their presentation to amplify the things you like and answer or avoid your dislikes. You won't even notice this manipulation. This is not dishonest, it is just how selling is done. For example, my wife mentioned that she was disappointed that the salesperson we bought our first timeshare from never followed up; our second salesman Jim soon began to say how he liked to keep in touch with his "thousand owners" and keep them appraised of events; how his owners always liked to call. When he stepped away for a minute, another salesperson came over to tell us how fortunate we were to have such an attentive salesman as Jim, all his owners just loved his followthrough. It was all an act, of course. After we bought, he did not follow through on anything. We called him once for an explanation of something he told us that was a flat lie; he said he was busy and would call right back. We never heard from him again. Lesson: the salesman is not your friend; before the sale you are a potential source of income; after the sale, you are an irritating waste of his time.

This is very important: the only completely truthful things you will hear are those few facts that will be in writing on the two dozen documents you will sign if you buy. Everything else will be half truths or outright lies. The timeshare product is made deliberately complicated, and is full of qualifications, rules, policies, exceptions and practices that make your benefits less than you were led to believe. The purpose is to make you want to buy more points to fill in the deficiencies. You will be continually dismayed later as nothing is how you thought. A few examples: they said our points were good for a year. We were surprised to be told seven months later that our points were soon to expire. They never revealed the first year was only nine months, and were quite happy to let us believe the year would be 12 months. We got bonus points from the first timeshare, good for two years (but only one year nine months as it turns out), and more bonus points for our second timeshare. I added the two together, and our salesman was only too happy to show us all the places we could go with that many points. He knew, but didn't tell us, that the second bonus points were to be delayed 10 months until the first bonus points expired, so they couldn't be added together. There will be many, many such qualifications that they know but will not reveal without a direct question.

When points are about to expire, you transfer them to RCI, which converts them into weeks that you can book at any RCI resort. Sounds great and your salesman will spend a lot of time showing you the great resorts. That much is true. What he won't tell you is that there is so much demand, that you will be calling to get on a waiting list for 18 to 24 months in advance for nice resorts in season. And you have to pay the transaction fee up front. And if you fail to get the booking, you've just lost a year or two on the life of your week. No wonder they conceal it.

Here's a more serious example. We couldn't swing the second timeshare, as I asked if we might recoup some of the money by renting out our week in Orlando over Christmas. Jim showed us Christmas room rates for resorts nearby that were astonishingly high, enough to recoup half our purchase price. Now we own and have the Christmas week booked, but we find we will be lucky to get a fifth of what we expected. I think he was showing us the posted rates for those other resorts. You know, when you stay at a $49 Motel 6, and on the back of the door the posted rate for the room is $215. He knew we were never going to get those numbers, but was quite happy to nudge us into believing whatever would get him the sale. Unfortunately, It was this prospect of covering half our purchase price that sold me.

Think they will not tell an outright lie? Wyndham offers what they call Party Weekends, where you get two or three days at a top resort, a meal or two, and some top rated entertainment like a Knicks game or tickets to a pro golf tournament. Jim said "and for VIPs, they are FREE". For the very top entertainment, "they might charge $100, but mostly they are free. But you are limited to three per year." This one thing sold my wife, but it was a deliberate lie. Party Weekends go for $700 and up, most of them over $1,000.

Before you go to your first presentation, go to Ebay and search for "wyndham timeshares". You will find many for sale at one fifth or less that the price from Wyndham. Why so low? With the annual fees and taxes, the inconveniences, the hidden qualifications and conditions, its not really that good a deal. Remember, as a Wyndham salesmen told me last week as he tried to sell me more points, "points are points, it doesn't matter what home resort they are from." If you think you might like timeshare, get one on Ebay for $500 and see how you like it.

     
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Posted by Jennifer Williams on 2013-05-16:
Wyndham resorts are absolutely beautiful and modern
Posted by Melanie Brown on 2013-09-16:
Wyndham timeshare presentations are hardcore and very long-lasting, people are usually pressured and bullied into buying a timeshare. The company has been sued in federal court several times by many wyndham timeshare owners for committing wrongs in their vacation credits, such as breach of contract, violation of California’s Timeshare Act and breach of fiduciary duty, among others. http://www.timesharescam.com/blog/149-wyndham-timeshare/
Posted by Neal Peterson on 2013-09-26:
Wyndham timeshare should be avoided, the sales staff are high pressure and deceptive they will try to confuse and mis-represent the facts about the deal they are offering. It will be a financial burden forever that nobody will want to take of your hands.Just pay for your vacations in the normal way without a life time burden/obligation to pay maintenance fees.
Posted by eric on 2014-01-18:
Over the course of maybe 7 years, I've been on three Wyndham timeshare tours. I always go if the gift is worth the time. The reason I continue to do so is that each tour I've attended has always been a pleasant, pressure-free environment. I already own 2 timeshares with other companies and have no intention of buying more. However...had Wyndham beaten them to the punch...I would have bought with them. That is simply based on how they've treated us each time.
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Wyndham Ownership Is A Joke!!!
Posted by Loyla on 01/16/2009
I just want to let everyone know NOT to buy "points" from Wyndham Vacation Resorts. It is the biggest joke that I have come across. The company and its sales people are all deceitful liars. We originally purchased over a year ago and I was having trouble booking a vacation to where I wanted to go, they get away with things because they tell you it is "based on availability" the problem is nothing good is ever available. When I told another sales person the problems we were having they told us we were having trouble because we didn't have enough points and we should purchase more and we would get what we wanted. That was not true at all and when I phoned our sales person directly to tell her I wanted to cancel within the 7 day period and needed know how it had to be done, she did not get back to me and I missed it by one day, even though I did tell her within the 7 day period Wyndham is denying my cancellation.

They said it had to be in writing to the Vegas office within that time, that is absolutely impossible, we live in Canada and it would never get there on time, so that is just a loop hole they use to steal your money. I have complained to a "customer care specialist" but she doesn't care either, she said that the Vegas office denied that I phoned this sales person to tell her we wanted to cancel, even though I sent her copies of my phone bill to prove that I made the calls to this sales person. So they obviously do not care one bit about the customer and as long as they have your money they will lie and blame you for not knowing all the fine print. Watch out when they have your credit card number too because we have had charges on there from Wyndham that no one can even tell you what they are for and they are supposed to refund us but haven't yet to this day.

Also the maintenance fees are outrageous and when you do get to go somewhere you get next to nothing for service at a hotel that you are supposed to be a "owner" of. We get better service at other hotels and we did not have to pay $60,000 for it. We also just got another bill for some kind of "user fee"??? No one ever mentioned that either. All I can see is that they rip you off over and over again!!! I will tell everyone NOT to purchase this vacation club unless you like throwing your money away on things you cannot use. And don't expect any kind of customer service from anyone at Wyndham. I am putting this review on every single website that I can find to warn people.
     
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Posted by Mr. Engima on 2010-11-10:
It is eniterly if there is availability or not. The people that are the most honest with you with Wyndham is there Vacation Planning Counselors. Keep in mind when one buys because of a deception it usually gets caught sooner or later and usually with a Vacation Planner. Also with Wyndham you really don't own anything just right to use the pts you purchase with availability or lack of as a possibility.
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Wyndham Vacation Resorts Very Disappointing
Posted by JoeDecks on 08/09/2008
MYRTLE BEACH, SOUTH CAROLINA -- After purchasing a one week vacation rental from a gentleman on eBay, my wife and I traveled over 700 miles by SUV from New Jersey to Wyndham Seagate, Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Once we arrived at the reservation counter, we noticed immediately that they wanted us to participate in a selling of time shares scheme. They offered "gifts" to schedule an hour or better with some staff members to conduct a "survey" of the room and properties amenities. We were polite, but was really not looking to waste time on something that was not in our plans at the time we bid on the vacation package.

After being given our room keys and left to "lug" our luggage from our SUV (which No parking spaces could barely fit), we arrived in a room that was NOT nearly as nice as was described in the Ebay auction. The room was not even cleaned properly and human hair was left on bathroom fixtures and on the kitchen floor! The beds were rumpled and was missing bed spreads. The most serious of misrepresentations in the eBay listing was the floor plan of the room. It showed clearly a two room floor plan with multiple balconies that would face the ocean. Our room had one single balcony facing another building across from ours. The "alley" that separates the two building has a "lagoon" filled with green moss and water scum. The views were terrible as was the customer service once we complained about this situation.

At first, the women that signed us into the resort (5 star resort "was advertised") tried to make it look like she was concerned and gave me a room key for another suite. I looked at it to see that it was slightly better than the first unit, but directly across the same "lagoon" water feature. My wife came over to inspect the newly offered room and made the decision we would take it because it was 90% cleaner than the first one offered to us. Going back to the women at the "customer service" counter to let her know that the room would be fine, she alerted us to the fact that she gave me the wrong room to look at. I was upset further, as was my wife, who had been in tears after seeing the first room. Taking another key now to inspect a third room, we insert the key in the door and open it to find two women already in the room!

We apologized and explained what we have been through ourselves and giving them the key that opened their door. They were very upset with their room as well as the intrusion by me, my wife, and two small children. When we returned to the women to tell her of our complete dissatisfaction and aggravation. We asked what was going to be done now? and was told that we were "back to the drawing board"!! This is now a half of a day of moving luggage from trunk to room and back to trunk of car, inspecting rooms that were NOT available to us anyway, and being told there was now NOTHING they can do or offer!

[solicitation snip]
     
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Posted by Ben There on 2008-08-10:
Was Wyndham selling this property directly on ebay, or did you purchase your vaction from a time share management complany. I am betting your transaction was with the latter and that is really who you should focus your complaints on. I would think that Wyndham Corporate would sell properties via Wyndham.com.


Also, what does your SUV have to do with the post?
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-08-10:
In the future, ask for pictures of the room you are paying for and don't just accept the written description of the ad. Keep the pictures as well as the written description (i.e. ocean views) and if you don't get what you pay for, you at least have some proof of what you thought you were purchasing. I agree with Ben There, contact Wyndham directly and see what they offer to do. Sorry your vacation was ruined.
Posted by Ponie on 2008-08-10:
Let me guess. The rent was such that you couldn't possibly pass it up, right? Common practice with time shares that are purchased only for income. The owner shows up only to collect the rent.
Posted by JoeDecks on 2008-08-21:
Thanks to all...

"Ben There"... The SUV was mentioned to give an idea on my fuel costs to drive 700 miles to only "almost" drive home in disgust.

"Justcuz"... I had the original ad with all of the floorplans, etc. The seller made every effort to correct the situation while the staff at the resort did everything to work against him, and my family. Seller credited 1/2 of my costs back to make up for the resorts personnel incompetence.

"Ponie"... actually, the cost was not bad, but not sooo great to accept the terrible customer service we received. I even offered to pay more to help rectify the situation, but to no avail.
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Stay At Bonnet Creek For A Gem Of A Vacation Stay!
Posted by BklynMomof6 on 01/06/2009
LAKE BUENA VISTA, FLORIDA -- My husband and I purchased at Bonnet about three years ago, when we stayed at the Holiday Inn Nikki Bird in Orlando. Our room at Nikki Bird was frightening - unknown papers, towels, and crumpled toilet paper in the door that we presumed once adjoined our room to the next-- plus, a constant, damp smell that took a couple of washes to remove from our clothing; the best? the swimming pool is a treat. Our tour of Bonnet left us impressed enough to purchase. The resort is right inside the Disney gates. Plus, our family was growing, and hotel stays would come out more costly. We bought at the still-under-construction Bonnet and got sold on the points system. We traveled to other places -- Rhode Island, Atlantic City, Williamsburg -- all Wyndham resorts and all accommodations very comfortable. In February 2008, two full years after buying it, we stayed at our "home" resort for the first time. We loved it! We got a three bedroom unit that was so huge that our kids kept getting lost in it. My parents' room faced one of the pools, and the kids' room faced the lake. When we stepped out of our unit to the hallway near the elevator, we got a first class view of the fireworks at EPCOT.

The resort is truly beautiful, and with tons to do. Our only complaint was the dust from the construction of the new Waldorf resort right on the premises, and a desperate need for a grocery store or something like it.

We'd DEFINITELY recommend this resort to anyone who wants beautiful accommodations and first-class treatment. My husband and I don't regret our purchase. We plan on buying some more points.


     
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Posted by Anonymous on 2009-01-06:
Good review. There are no grocery stores on Disney property, however, there 4 grocery stores within 3 miles of Bonnet Creek.
Posted by Extremely Mad on 2009-01-06:
I too own at bonnet creek. We bought it in 04 or 05. Ive only stayed 2 times since then. Like you we've stayed other places but that is by far my absolute favorite. I can't wait till they complete it with the movie theater and bowling alley. It will be quite a treat.
Posted by lobo65 on 2009-01-06:
It's nice to see a good review of a resort. There are so many bad reviews that the good ones can get lost in the shuffle.
Posted by maximus394 on 2010-08-11:
I also belong to Bonnett Creek. This place is way better than most of the places in Wyndhams travel book. The facilities are great and there is always something going on, granted they have to compete witht he Mouse that is steps away. The only complaint i have is with the financial system at Wyndham...it is truly horrible. If you can get that wrangled in you can probably be happy with Bonnett creek.
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Wyndham Vacation Resorts Rip Off
Posted by Xena_warrior_princess_2525 on 09/07/2011
We went to the Wyndham Vacation resort sales pitch in San Antonio....WHAT A JOKE! I will start by saying that we got there and they give you a form to fill out "to save time on the sales pitch". This form asked for all your personal information, i.e. name, address and SSN...REALLY?! There was a disclaimer that you would give Wyndham permission to run your credit. I stopped right there and took that paper with me, there is no way I am going to give my SSN out, there is no reason for them to have it. Well the deception started...everyone was friendly and willing to give us the BEST VACATION DEAL EVER! Well, we went in knowing we were not going to buy anything. We were just fulfilling our 90 minute sales pitch obligation, which they would give us a $200 gift card at the end. Luckily the sales office was 5 minutes away from the hotel where we were staying. The sales person started with six question to figure out how we like to travel. How long we travel, etc. I am a 4 day 3 night type of vacationer. I don't like to be away from home much more than that, I am ready to get home and sleep in my own bed at that point. The sales person looked at me a little funny because I said that, oh well! Then the sales person was going to "price out" my future vacations...this is so off when it comes to numbers. A few of the destinations we could stay with friends a few night, so that in itself saves money. Well, the sales person did not want to count that so we had to give another destination....whatever. Talk, talk, talk.... then the 10 minute video was shown to us, boring and seems liked hired actors. The "families" didn't even look like they could be related. From the beginning we got a feeling that this was all a SCAM. But we listened. Then after the video, we were shown how much taking a vacation over the next 30 years would cost. Mind you, the sales person used 7 days, when I told them we go for 4 days 3 nights...lets compare apples to apples shall we? Not in their case...The figure they came up with was 130K for the 30 year period...ha ha! I also let them know that I have a lot of connections in the travel and hospitality business so I didn't pay full price for things and if you shop around you can get better deals. Then we were taken to the property to view the rooms. They were nice, but everyone vacations differently. The rooms were over the top and just not what we needed. Well at the end the sales person was going to ask me if I wanted to sign up, to say YES or NO. Oh, I forgot to mention that I told the sales person once we got there, we were buying a house...the sales person didn't seem overly concerned. There is no way I was going to jeopardize by home for some crazy time share. The sales person closed with well, it will be 25% down, around 16K and how would you like to pay for that? People have lost their mind... Then when we said NO, they did the obvious, T. O. (turn over) I knew that was coming. The "manager" came over and said so how do we get you signed up. I told him the same thing that we were buying a house and didn't want my credit run or jeopardize my future home. The sales manager did not care. He came with a cheaper option. The first option was $68,000 for 308,000 points and the second option was 64,000 the sales manager lost his mind. When I say NO, I mean No. Then the sales manager had the Gaul to interrogate us about our home purchase. Who is your realtor? I said, what? I am sorry but that is none of your business. Then went off to say that he sold homes before, so he could help. Then was asked who is your builder and not nicely, more in like you better tell me. HE offended me by the way he felt entitled to interrogate us at this point said do you not understand that we are not going to buy anything. As he and I both knew that this was a no obligation to buy sales pitch. That we completed our end of the deal by coming here and we said NO. He got annoyed and said let's get you checked out. They are nuts selling something for so much money and when we told them we go on vacations when we can and it's normally for 4 days and 3 nights. If we can drive we do. They try to pressure you to buy, their Jedi mind tricks did not work. It goes back to the old saying, "if it's too good to be true..." I am strong willed and when we got there we were not going to buy a thing. We did get our $200 AMEX gift card and enjoyed spending it a lunch. The sales pitch was actually 2 hrs not 90 minutes. Just a warning, if the Wyndham sales team are so desperate to sell and feel they have the right to interrogate you because you chose not to buy, just imagine how they will treat you when you become a member and have a issue...no thanks!
     
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Posted by oldisgood on 2011-09-07:
We once went to one of these presentations where we actually called the cops to come and get us.
Posted by Travelingjim on 2012-04-11:
We went to a high pressure sales pitch in Branson. After 2 hrs. I said no, not for us. They continued to pressure us for another 30 min. I finally stood up and said in a loud voice "I have told you NO five times. How many more times do I have to say No? Now give me my show vouchers and let us leave." They couldn't show us the door fast enough!
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Wyndham--Liars, Liars, Liars
Posted by Lindataylor12 on 01/19/2012
ALEXANDRIA,& SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS -- I originally purchased a timeshare at Governor's Green in Williamsburg through Wyndham Resort properties in 2008 after my husband had passed away. I was satisfied with what I had been sold because I was a VIP member with special privileges. Lie #1. I am not certain what special privileges I received but I was told when sitting through another sales pitch two years later that I would have to pay extra from then on for use of my points and I would have to make reservations well in advance or wait until the last moment to see what had become available by owners not taking their weeks. This of course made it virtually impossible to plan adequately for a vacation with friends as I had envisioned when I signed on. I was never told this nor was I ever told that the RCI brochure full of beautify photographed resorts all over the world cost extra and were, by and large, unavailable. Also no mention was made of maintenance fees. I learned of those when I reviewed my contract much later. Of course they had taken a copy of a cancelled check and had set up an automatic monthly transfer of any amount they so determined.
At the second resort, in Alexandria, Virginia in Nov. 2010, I brought along three friends for a weekend in the city. I was told that I needed to schedule an update with one of the Wyndham Representatives-no mention of SALES REP--to review my plan and to learn of all the good things happening at Wyndham. I should have run the other way right then. I was escorted into a room at the back of the hotel and was immediately set upon by a bullying, hard hitting sales person. (I was told I would only need to be in the room about 30-45 minutes for the presentation by the person who had set up the appointment) I had told my friends to go on and I would meet them in that time period. Well, hours later after being bullied into signing a contract that I had stated at the beginning that I could not afford I emerged shell shocked and wondering what I had done. Over the course of the next month I learned that I had signed papers that opened a charge card for me and that Wyndham had put $5000 on it with out my express permission. Not once was I ever told that I had opened a charge card or that Wyndham had put the money on it. I was not given time to review any of the documents and was told by the salesperson that it was for a RCI rewards card. I thought he meant a card with a number to use to access my RCI account. I learned the truth when I received the first bill in the mail from Bank of America. I immediately called them to ask what was this/ I never opened an account with you. They told me the truth and said there was nothing they could do because I had signed the papers even if under duress. When I returned home after my trip I did call Wyndham and complained about the sales person and they seemed very sympathetic and said they would send my complaint to a special department and they would get back to me. They never did. I also told them that I could not afford the new program and I did not want it and they told me to send it all back. The only response that I got from them was a form letter explaining that they had received the contract too late and I would therefore have to pay. Needless to say I was extremely unhappy. They were essentially robbing me of my meager inheritance making life for me less secure than I had hoped.

Next, and I know I should have learned from that experience, I went to San Antonio, TX with a friend to her timeshare. Same deal as at Alexandria--she needed to meet briefly with the Wyndham Reps for "Updates". I was asked if I would like to come along and I related my bad experience with them and state unequivocally that I could not afford anything else. They both commiserated with me and assured me that I should come along and I would be nothing but ecstatic about the with what they could do to fix my problems. Of course, I thought that I was going to return to the original plan--not so. We were kept in their offices for the better part of the day and were fed one lie after another. We were told that there would be no maintenance fees. They would be taken care of with points we would earn each month with the submission of six names for prospective sales talks. I discovered this lie when I returned home after visiting relatives for a month and the bill for $3000 awaited me. We were told that we could make money by returning all unused points and they would be converted to weeks to be rented out at only their best 25 Wyndham Resorts. All we ever needed to do was call Cameron--one of the reps and he would take care of us because he would be our personal assistant/representative. We were told always call Cameron first. Trouble was, I was later told that Cameron was not my representative and the other one, Jason, never was available and never returned my calls. My friend has stayed with the program and has yet to see any money from any rentals. I asked repeatedly for things I had been assured that I could get because of my membership status and got not the first perk or rental that I wanted. We were told that there would be no more assessment fees and I just received a bill for just that thing. There are so many more falsehoods that I could list. I have read many other reviews and much of what I have read I have experienced with this company.
I have been to several of their resorts, two were roach infested--the one at San Antonio and the one at Edisto Beach, SC. one charged additional fees--in spite of the fact that we pay exorbitant maintenance fees each month. I discovered when I first tried to use points that I had banked with RCI so that I would not lose them that I had to pay even more to them and many of those beautiful resorts that are in the glossy magazine are unavailable. The one in Maine was quite small but was by far my best experience. The one in Mont Tremblant was filthy with threadbare furniture and window hangings. You dared not put your hand down into the seats because of the filth. The manager was rude and nasty. When I complained about the additional fee he had tacked onto the rentals, he told me to get out if I didn't like it. This after I had driven two days with three friend to get there. The equipment was old, broken and unsafe. My friend was almost thrown from the bicycle that she had chosen. It was the best of them all. We almost drowned in their poorly designed boats. They don't explain in the brochure that you are along a major highway or that it's noisy.

I have sent Wyndham two letters stating all my complaints and also told them that I could not afford to pay for this timeshare. I have only a small amount of money left and if forced to pay for this I shall be reduced to filing for bankruptcy. I asked them to sell the timeshare or let me out of the contract because of their deceptive, pernicious, and predatory practices. I have no savings, no securities, no home ownership, no nothing except my personal belongings. I have heard not one word from Wyndham. All I get are bills, bills, bills, and threats. I have contacted a lawyer and have been following his advice, but I fear that while well meaning, he is of not much value. I have submitted complaints to the FTC, the AG of Arkansas, the Better Business Bureaus in San Antonio, and others. I shall continue to make my complaints heard because no person should be subjected to such practices. I do have a witness and she too is attempting to get out of her contract and is willing to testify to what happened to us in San Antonio
     
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Posted by Anonymous on 2012-01-19:
Save your money. If you can, get out of the timeshare trap. Whatever you do, don't let them upsell you for better properties/availabilities etc. Despite the compelling pitch, timeshares are for suckers.
Posted by Nohandle on 2012-01-19:
There might be some decent ones out there Bete but too many learned a lesson too late. This review is a wake up call for others.
Posted by At Your Service on 2012-01-19:
I have a family member with a timeshare and seems to like it, but it isn't for me either.

Linda, the best thing you did was contact a lawyer. Assuming the lawyer is someone you can trust, I'd take the time to consider what he/she may direct you to do. I'm a big believer in paying one's own debts, but you may be in a situation where you have no other choice than to file for bankruptcy if you are actually able.
Posted by CowboyFan on 2012-01-19:
Time shares can be nice, but the only way one should buy one is from a prior purchaser who is desperate to get out of it. There are time limits on when lawsuits can be brought. The OP needs to contact an attorney immediately, because 4 years is coming up in 2012.
Posted by Alain on 2012-01-19:
I know a young fellow that used to work selling timeshares and after what he told me about them, I'd never even think of using them.
Posted by CowboyFan on 2012-01-20:
I know people in Orlando who have sold timeshares and who own them. From this, I would conclude one should get a time share, only if: 1) Buy it from an individual reselling it; 2) Buy somewhere you would like to go, even if you can't trade; 3) Buy highly desirable times and places if you want to trade; and 4) have a schedule where you have multiple times during the year you can use it, e.g. school teacher or retired, not where you have only one or two weeks vacation in the summer, when everyone else vacations also.
Posted by Jennifer Williams on 2013-05-10:
Just like Wyndham, there are a lot of fraudulent resorts, an example of those is El Cid Resort, people need to avoid this resort: http://www.timesharescam.com/timeshare-complaints-resorts-black-list/5-el-cid-resort-timeshare-complaints/
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Lies told by Wyndham Sales Personnel
Posted by JAMROX on 05/31/2011
On 22 August 2010, we purchased 154,000 Wyndham Points from Mr. P. C. at Wyndham Grand Desert. Based upon that initial meeting, we subsequently purchased another 146,000 points (for a total of 300,000 points) on 2 October 2010.

Also on 22 Aug 2010, Mr. P. C. promised 2 “free” weekends at the Grand Desert with tickets to a “show of our choice” each stay—haven’t seen them yet. Prior to our return trip to Las Vegas on 2 Oct 2010, Mr. P. C. and I discussed the room and the show tickets. We specifically requested Blue Man Group; Mr. P. C. assured me all was taken of; he said, “Don’t worry; I’ll take care of everything.” It wasn’t until after arrival that I found out that he would not pick up the entire cost of both the room and the show tickets; we decided that we would pay for the tickets and Mr. P. C. would take care of the room. After that weekend I noticed that we were charged 37,100 points for our stay. I worked with Mr. DD on multiple occasions to correct the error. Finally, he stated that he was unable to return the points. He subsequently sent us a coupon for one week. However, the times and places that were available were unrealistic. So, not only did we have to pay for the BMG tickets, Wyndham charged us 37,100 points for the privilege to be lied to more.

Mr. P. C. also directed us to apply for an RCI Elite Rewards MasterCard issued by Bank of America, with a 6-month introductory APR of 2.9%, to make our initial Wyndham Properties ownership purchase. He further directed us at the 5-month point to apply for the Wyndham Rewards VISA issued by Barclays Bank Delaware, with a 6-month APR of 0.0%, and transfer the balance from the RCI MasterCard to the Wyndham VISA. He failed to inform us there was a transfer fee that would have negated any savings that might have been realized from the lower interest rate. But this small fact is beside the point. The real issue is that Mr. P. C. described that by financing the ownership purchase at such low rates for the first 12 months, he’d assist us in renting our points (at 100% return) during this time, in effect having our ownership “pay for itself” before we had to pay the purchase loan off.

Another conversation that we had with Mr. P. C. on 22 Aug 2010 that lead us to buy was that he told us his family rents out their points and makes money “hand over fist.” And, Mr. P. C. stated that occasionally he comes across points being sold at significantly reduced cost: like “$7,000 for 150,000 points.” I told him I would be extremely interested in increasing my ownership point holdings if we could purchase additional points at that kind of discount. On or about 15 Sep 10, Mr. P. C. called and said he had more points for us—he never specified the dollar amount. Then when we came in on 3 Oct 2010, I was expecting significantly discounted points. He said he didn’t have any of those at that time, but that he could offer us the same “discounted” deal that he had given us on 22 Aug 2010. I specifically said, “I am not convinced that we got a good deal the first time.” He assured us we did, stating that 150,000 points typically retail for $60,000. This does not appear to be the case according to the research I’ve completed.

We now have cause to believe Mr. P. C. sold us Wyndham ownership based upon false pretense. He sold us Wyndham ownership as an investment and explained how we would make money by renting our points.

During his sales presentation, Mr. P. C. presented a copy of a Wyndham property invoice from Travelocity showing a room that had recently rented for $10,000 per weekend.
Mr. P. C. provided us his business card and told us to call him any time for assistance. After a few calls with no response, I then called Wyndham and left a message. He then called me and said it would take at least 24 hours for him to respond. He never returns calls.

We specifically mentioned we were not interested in vacationing with Wyndham as they do not have properties for the types of vacations we typically take.

Both PC and the Lead Sales Presenter jokingly mentioned that we had a point; that they ought to make a testimonial video of us as the “types of vacationers Wyndham represents.” There was a witness; the sales lady sitting next to us was privy to our conversations. PC even asked her, "Can you believe the trips these people have taken."

On 2 Oct 2010, Mr. P. C. promised to rent all our points for us with 100% profit coming to us. To date, this process has not worked as described by Mr. P. C.

We are extremely disappointed because we have followed Mr. P. C.’s instructions, attempted to rent our points through the program offered by Wyndham, but have had completely unsatisfactory results.

Subsequently, we voiced our displeasure to Mr. P. C. and on two occasions Mr. P. C. assured me that he could sell our ownership. Once on 2 Apr 11, I asked Mr. P. C. if he could sell our ownership. He said, “Yes, I always have people looking for more points.” I told him I wasn’t looking to make a profit. He said, “I will get you a profit, you always want to make a profit.” He then told me call him in 3 weeks. On 26 Apr 11, Mr. P. C. told me that he had a buyer and to call him on Tuesday or Wednesday next week; he told me that he was going to be in Los Angeles. I told him I would meet him for lunch to finalize the sale of the Wyndham Ownership. He told me that wasn’t necessary that he would be able to handle the transaction by telephone. I have attempted to contact Mr. P. C. multiple times, to no avail. I also called Mr. DD and asked him to have PC call me; I also called the Wyndham Sales Department and left a message. I informed the lady that took the message that I have left multiple messages and she assured me that she would have Mr. P. C. call me. As of 19 Apr 11, there has been no call from Mr. P. C. Mr. P. C. has failed to follow through with selling our points and terminating our ownership in Wyndham. Mr. P. C.’s recent actions seem to continue a pattern of deceit.

It should be noted that on our sales paperwork, Mr. P. C. specifically instructed us to identify “convenience, value, and property selection” and not “investment” as our reason for purchase.

On 20 May 11, the Wyndham “Executive Management Team” informed us that there was no basis for our complaint, that since it wasn’t in writing it wasn’t valid. Does that mean Verbal Contracts are not valid in Nevada?

We bought into Mr. P. C.’s pitch that we could make money; I no longer believe that is true. We are out $50k based on his deceitful sales practice. That money was taken from our retirement fund; with no foreseeable potential to "make" any money to supplement our retirement.
     
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Posted by Sophia Marie on 2011-05-31:
Unfortunately you believed what you wanted to hear and did everything you were told by the sales team without investigating the validity of their claims. Written contracts always prevail over verbal claims so I'm afraid you have learned a very expensive lesson.
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Different Use Year Rip off
Posted by Bspearo on 08/23/2013
ORLANDO, FLORIDA -- I have been a owner since 1996. I've been a "poster child" for Wyndham until now

In or around 04/12, I was told by a VP not a high pressure sales pitch that by buying
points at a location with a different use year 06/03 instead of 12/31. We would be able to extend the life of our points by "rolling them over" I've known this guy for over 8 yrs. and he has never steered me wrong. After one year Wyndham claimed they changed their policy and they were combining all use years to 12/31.

I explained that the only reason I bought the points was to have the different use year. They said too bad. I asked for my money and they made me wait over one moth for their answer which was no. I am going to go to the Attorney General to file a complaint. A class action suit would be better any tackers? bspearo@Aol.com

     
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Posted by Slimjim on 2013-08-23:
If you want your money back, sue them personally. If you want to make two law firms rich instead, then class action is the way to go.
Posted by bspearo on 2013-08-23:
DAVID VS GOLIATH DOESN'T ALWAYS TURN OUT THE RIGHT WAY.

AS LONG AS I GET ALL OF MY MONEY BACK,
I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH THEY MAKE
Posted by Old Timer on 2013-08-23:
A class action might get you a $10 coupon for something you can't use or need. Should take about 5-10 years. Meanwhile the attorneys should do very well if they prevail.
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Wyndham Empty Promises Beware
Posted by Bosjack on 03/20/2011
We are timeshare owners since 1978 buying into Fairfield resorts in 1994. Since Wyndham took over and started the points system we gradually upgraded our membership to Presidential Reserve. We did this because of the Wyndham buy-back provision. After doing some research, we found the buy back deal is not guaranteed as promised. They would buy back at maybe their price terms. Our first big disappointment with Wyndham. During our last visit to Williamsburg, our assigned member services contact person had another great deal for us. We had previously told him we wanted to sell our timeshare with Diamond Corporation as we didn't need the points due to our over 2 million points we had as Platinum VIP presidential reserve. He said Wyndham ahd this new program that would give us more value in trades than we could get on the open sales market for our Diamond points with the additional purchase of Wyndham points and Wyndham would pick up the maintenance fees. We bought into the deal. Now 6 months later and a new year, we still have our Diamond timeshare and had to pay that maintenance fee and were told there were legal issues with the plan we purchased, but it would take place soon. We visited N. Myrtle Beach last month and were invited to a "Member Update" during that meeting we inquired about the program that we had bought into in Williamsburg, the member service guy said that Wyndham never had that program and never will, long story short, he said that were lied to and that the best remedy for us was to purchase a few more points so Wyndham could credit our full purchase price on the previous sale and he would double the points from the old contract and add the new points and we would me made whole.

When we looked over that contract, we found the points were not as promised and deicded to cancel. After numerous phone calls to the "salesman" we decided to make another trip to the office and gave notice to cancel. We were contacted by another supervisor from N Myrtle who told us that Wyndham indeed had the old program, but his sales personnel were to say the program didn't exist.

We mailed our cancellation letter first by regular mail and then certified mail. Wyndham will not honor our cancellation as they say we did not notify them in time.

We used to really enjoy going to Wyndham resorts as they were a bit more upscale than some other time shares, but being lied to are making us believe that Wyndham is becoming a valueless, dishonest company. SThis is certainly something I do not want to burden our children with when we jpass on. That is another empty promise made by Wyndham also.
     
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Posted by unhappy999 on 2011-03-20:
The best thing people can do is not buy into time shares. It is a common problem for people to have trouble selling their time shares. Another thing, the points system you talk about is too complicated. This sounds like a big mess, I hope you can get it resolved soon.
Posted by Brenda on 2012-07-31:
July 15 we arrived at Ocean Walk and Wyndham. I had made reservations the week before on the phone and was told we would have ocean/front condo. I was told a lady name Chris would check us in and meet us when we arrived with our room keys, bands, and parking permit. She did. When we got to our room , we found our balcony overlooking the Hilton’s swimming pool. I called Chris and she referred me to Vickie the lady I made reservations with. First she told me to up grade to another room would be an extra $300. When I told her I would pay it, she said it would be an extra $800. I wanted to cancel the room but she told me I was already charged through my credit card. We went to welcome center to receive our bands. (Chris didn’t have those!) The lady there said she would give me $100 AmEX card and a free vacation to attend the presentation. I told her I would think about it. She offered the same deal to my sister who was staying with us in the Condo. When I realized I had no internet in the condo, I called the service desk and they informed me that I wasn’t even checked in the room. Chris was. Chris had checked in under her name. That was why they didn’t want me to check out on Thursday of that week. Chris would handle it. They said I must be using Chris’s points. Anyway I agreed to attend the presentation to let others know how I was being treated. The girl who set the appointment left notice at our door saying I would receive $50 AmEX and a vacation and my sister would receive $50 Am/Ex and a vacation. My sister said she wouldn’t sit through it for $50 since she was promised $100. That morning of presentation, July 16th, the lady called to remind us of the presentation. I asked about the Am/EX amount. She said she could only give $100 per condo. My sister decided to hit the beach and my husband and I went.
They wanted to see a credit card with our driver’s license. I told them they could look but no one was getting the numbers.
We were promised breakfast and ended up with only water and coffee. We were starving before the presentation was over. Our sales rep’s manager came to our table and wanted us to fill out some paper work to speed things up after the tour. I told her I didn’t want our credit checked until we decided If this was for us. I knew it wasn’t. She promised that nothing would be done until we signed up.
A week later we received notice that we were approved for the timeshare. They had checked our credit without our permission. I have tried to contact the people at Ocean Walk about this. I have been getting a run around.
I will continue to do my part to education people about these scams with Wyndham. It is so sad to read these other complaints. Please help me stop these people from preying on others.
Posted by Gary H on 2013-02-18:
Every sales department at the Wyndham is out to just sell the latest "great deal".
We bought what is called an alternate use year which allowed our point to roll over to the next year and points would never expire. Then they stopped the program and told it was an unauthorized program that some sales people created and they were fired as sales reps.
Lies and more lies. We spent thousands for nothing.
I am waiting for a class action suite.
please don't. Buy,,,,you will be disappointed.
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Wyndham, A Bunch Of Con Artists
Posted by Dani234 on 12/03/2010
My situation with Wyndham was a lot of broken promises and misrepresentations by them. I trusted the sales representative and brought into this whole thing. Now I am stuck with high payments and got absolutely nothing I was promised or told. I have wrote to the corporate office and spoke with them many times. They don't care that we were taken advantage of, lied to and scammed.

We should all get together and file a class action suit against them for scamming us. That is fraud when you misrepresent what you are selling.

[no solicitations please]
     
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Posted by saj80 on 2010-12-03:
How about we all get together and not buy timeshares.
Posted by unhappy999 on 2010-12-03:
Agree with saj80. If we all would stop buying timeshares, these scams would be out of business.
Posted by werelucky on 2010-12-03:
How do people still fall for these time shares? Come on.
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