Abercrombie & Fitch Informative - Law Suit Hijab - Company Policy

Posted by SteveWiginowski on 2011-06-28:

Here is the article that this is in reference to:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Muslim-woman-sues-Abercrombie-apf-2955306870.html?x=0

Posted by azRider on 2011-06-28:

I take exception to the native Americans wearing headdress. not all tribes have headdress. my tribe did not wear them normally and to stereotype all Indians as that is insulting.

Posted by Anonymous on 2011-06-28:

^^^ one American that is not on the side of A&F.


P.S. are you saying A&F would not allow you to wear a cross necklace, if you were so inclined to do so?

Posted by ChuhBaca on 2011-06-28:

This one is tough. We have freedom of religion in this country. Yet, it is being stiffled because it offends some people. For example, employees in certain stores aren't allowed to say "Merry Christmas", because it offends other religions. It makes me angry that people try to police others beliefs because it offends them, but when the tables are turned, they sue.

On the more practical side, I wouldn't expect to be hired to wait tables at Hooters. This almost seems like a much less cut-and-dry example of the same concept.

Posted by Vinnie11 on 2011-06-28:

You are ill-informed OP. Women who wear hijab wear it because they subscribe to the concept of modesty. They do not want you to see what they have and they are entitled to feel that way. Orthodox married jewish women wear a tichel for the same purpose. It is no threat to you whatsoever. It makes no statement about religion - not only muslim women wear them nor are they forced to do so. This isn't the middle east. There are thousands of American born muslim women who wear hijab. If they don't wear it, they aren't killed. They aren't ticketed by the hijab police. They're not likely to wear a mini skirt either but surely do not mind if you wear one, nor are they threatened by what you choose or choose not to wear. Lighten up. Your fangs are showing.

+1 just_cause

Posted by jktshff1 on 2011-06-28:

Dress codes four business have been around a long time. Much as I hate to say it, the stated "business attire" in the application process or handbook should take preference. I have in the course of working more years than I care to tell, turned down several lucrative business offers because I did not agree with "company policy".

Posted by Nohandle on 2011-06-28:

Why do individuals apply for employment at a business if they don't agree with the policy? Perhaps I'm missing something here but if not, apply for employment where you can wear whatever you like or whatever your religion dictates. That shouldn't be too difficult.

Posted by Anonymous on 2011-06-28:

Vinnie..excellent points. You know, it just occurred to me, I work with a gentleman that wears a Yamakah (sp??) and no one has ever said a word to him, and we have a very strict dress and religious code.

Posted by Anonymous on 2011-06-28:

I used to have to wear a yamaka when I was a kid. Cause I attended a Hebrew academy I hated wearing it we would get in trouble if we didn't.

Posted by MRM on 2011-06-28:

My cousin, Vinnie!

Posted by Anonymous on 2011-06-28:

The Mormon religion wants all woman to dress modestly as a sign of respect for themselves. Even though I don't go to church, I still dress modest. I won't wear short skirts or shorts or anything sleeveless. But I do show cleavage. I didn't used to until I got bigger boobs after I had the baby

Posted by Anonymous on 2011-06-28:

indeed yaya was dressed appropriately when we met to my dissatisfaction. But I still saw cleavage :)

Posted by yoke on 2011-06-28:

What is sad is this country is bending over backwards to please those who want to wear the hijab and cover their faces. It is as if we are afraid to say no. When they take the job there is a dress code and if you are not going to abide by the dress code then you need to leave. I am sure the person who hired the one now suing got in trouble by upper management for allowing it to go on.

Posted by Anonymous on 2011-06-28:

Really, yoke? Show me where we are bending over backwards to please those who want to wear the hijab.

Posted by Anonymous on 2011-06-28:

Personally I don't care what someone wears at their job as long ass they do their job.

I have seen a few folks at my local walmart wear a hijab and turban.

Posted by PepperElf on 2011-06-28:

"If they don't wear it, they aren't killed. "

If that never happens, where did "honor killing" from from then?

Posted by DebtorBasher on 2011-06-28:

Ooooooooooooooo Wally said, '@ss' ! ! !

Posted by Anonymous on 2011-06-28:

My husband is Muslim. He does not force me to do anything. The women are not forced to wear a hijab. They choose to do so. A hijab can just cover your hair, not your whole face. It is about being modest. If someone wanted to wear a yamakah to work, would the same issues arise?

Vinnie, very well said. It is sad to see posts that just help spread misinformation and ignorance.

Posted by Anonymous on 2011-06-28:

lol dang it. I should caught that.

Posted by Anonymous on 2011-06-28:

I've had this discussion with people in different parts of the Middle East, and have never heard of an honor killing because of that, Pepper.

Posted by PepperElf on 2011-06-28:

interesting that you say "because of that" instead of "there are no honor killings"

Posted by Anonymous on 2011-06-28:

Because I wouldn't say something that I'm not sure about.

Posted by PepperElf on 2011-06-28:

perhaps you should visit news.google.com

Posted by Anonymous on 2011-06-28:

The Taliban butchered woman all the time that didn't dress in the hijab or follow proper Islamic law. And I have heard of honor killings also we had one happen in phx couple years back this guy ran over his daughter in a parking lot because she became to western.

Posted by Anonymous on 2011-06-28:

I learn from people who live and spent their lives in the Middle East, not stuff on the news. Both women and men, young and old.

Posted by PepperElf on 2011-06-28:

I've been there too and I know people who've lived in more restrictive countries.

Yes some women do wear it out of choice. however it completely depends on the region and the family.


and if you want to get into modern news just look up "Afshan Azad" - she's the actress who played Patil in Harry Potter. Her father and brother attempted to kill her for dating a man of another religion.

If I remember, that made quite a few headlines.

Posted by Anonymous on 2011-06-28:

I was talking about "honor killings" because of a woman refusing to wear the hijab. I have heard of scenarios like the one you just mentioned. I wouldn't make a statement that they don't exist.

Posted by CharlesInCharge on 2011-06-28:

I'm late to the party but here's my personal knowledge of the A&F dress code. My cousin worked for the A&f store in New York and they control everything you wear. From your clothes to your hair and make up. She had to look like the girl next door, it was crazy the rules they had but she agreed to them when she signed the contract. Did you know the "girl next door" doesn't wear her hair in a ponytail? The hiring manager knew the rules, and hired her anyway. I just hope she was smart enough to get the compromise to the dress code in writing before she signed anything.