Trucking Industries Informative - Economy

Review by truckin21 on 2007-01-31
I am really mistified. People want to go to the store and buy what ever they want to buy. They buy groceries, clothes, intertainment, games, books, what ever they want. I just wonder if ANY of them has ever given a thought as to how all that "good stuff" got there? Sure, they say (Those that know) a truck brought it. The thing that mistifies me is: They want the stuff, but they don't want the truck. When are they going to realize that you cannot have one without the other. Does anyone really know, and does anyone really care what would happen to your precious life style if all the truck drivers all of a a sudden decided, "ENOUGH". We have taken all the abuse, all the rules/regulations that we can handle. Until you start letting us do our job the same way you do yours, thats it, no more food to eat, no more beds to sleep in, no more clothes to wear (some of you might like that), WE QUIT!!! Some of you (from ready your reviews and comments) own your own businesses. How many of you rely up trucks for your deliveries? How many of you actually know just how regulated the trucking industry is? How many of you actually care?
Comments:19 Replies - Latest reply on 2008-01-06
Posted by MRM on 2007-01-31:
I, for one, care! Without the trucking industry, our economy and our businesses would be at a stand still. I have been shopping at my favorite online retailer,, for five years, and I appreciate the UPS for their delivery services. Toodles...
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-01-31:
I'm in your corner, bro.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-02-01:
I, personally don't rely on trucks for my business at all, and, I am self employed.

I do, however, realize that trucks bring in most of my other needs. Clothing, groceries, fuel...all things and I and all people need. Natural gas that cooks my food.

All basic needs, in my opinion are pretty much by truck.
Posted by S on 2007-02-01:
The US economy would not function without trucks (and truckers!).
Posted by truckin21 on 2007-02-01:
OK: We seem to be sort-of on the same footing, sooo, let me ask you another question: Why has the public formed groups of people that have never been in a truck, never driven a truck,they don't even know half of the regulations we have to drive by, yet they "lobby congress to tell us how, where, and when we can drive." Then when, for what ever reason the, there is an accident, they cry even more for MORE regs. Oh, yes, before I forget. Lidman, in a comment on my previous review listed awhole lot of "Truck Related" accidents. Well, according to The Trucker News of April 15-30, 2006; a study released March 24, states that "In two-vehicle crashes involving a large truck and a passenger vehcle, the passenger vehicle was at fault in 56% of crashes and trucks were involved in 44%. The main factor involved being Driver Behavior.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-02-01:
OK so trucks move goods around, a given. Does that give some unspoken right of way?
Who cares about the regulations and they also pay to many taxes as far as I am concerned.
Trucker News of April 15-30, 2006 so what are you saying? They let anybody drive a truck now a day. Are you saying they should get some special break? Should we build them a highway for themselves?

There are reasons for the speed limits, some of them I don’t agree with either. The ones where the trucks have to go slow going down hill yeah, if they don’t have enough sense to slow down they shouldn’t be behind the wheel anyway. If they don’t have the sense to stay a safe distance behind the smaller cars then get them off the road. Do they deserve to pull into the left lane and hold up the cars behind them while going up hill and passing another truck?
Yes, I drove a truck when I worked on the road. I drove the roller over the roads you drive on and I drove the truck with the paving equipment on it from job to job.

We could go on forever, but what is it the point? What do you want to prove here?
Posted by truckin21 on 2007-02-01:
You are right as far as you go Lidman. But, why are the speed limits just for trucks. We have over 3 million truck drivers on the road. We have over 50 million 4-wheelers. I guess there is some truth to the old saying: "There is strength in numbers". Have you ever gotten a ticket for going 3 mph over the limit? Have you ever gotten a ticket for driving 15 minutes longer than you were aloud to, and if you did did that ticket cost you $1500.00. If they, as you say, "allow anybody to drive a truck" why aren't you? And yes, they are talking about making "Truck only lanes".
No, I am not saying we should have special breaks, but why should we be discriminated against (that is all it is) just because we are MOVING the economy and giving people like you the things you need so you can have the ability to discrimate more. Check your states laws, if it has any, and you will find out that the only reason any state has different laws for trucks than they have for cars is REVENUE. How many accident free miles do you have? How many times do you do a "pretrip inspection" before you head out on the road? How many times do you do a "post-trip inspection every time you park your car at night? And last but by no means least, your "Who cares about the regulations" is one of the reasons why everytime you go to the store, you see an increase in the price of some object.
It also testifies to peoples ability to try and understand just what a truck and driver means to this country. You are not alone, there are others that think the same way. But, as far as the public is concerned a trucker is a representative of ALL truckers. Why isn't a 4-wheeler a representative of ALL 4-wheelers?
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-02-01:
truckin21 I have a question. I was recently in Arkansas and the first sign you saw in every little town was 'No Jake Brakes' or something like that. What in the world is a Jake Brake and why is it bad to Jake brake in little towns?
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-02-01:
Truckin21, there are speed limits for trucks because trucks are much more different then cars. They are bigger therefore harder to stop and control. Individuals give out tickets and truck drivers have a bad rep with a lot of cops. I got a ticket for going 5 miles over, it happens.

Driving longer then allowed is part of the job, deal with it, it is the responsibility of each driver and the fine (fair or not) is the fine. The seat belt law is a money making law and has nothing to do with safety, but if you get caught you pay.

I don’t drive a truck now because I don’t want to.

In NJ they have some places with trucks in mined where the trucks are the primary drivers and if they go all the way with it and make it trucks only I think that would be a good thing.

Truck drivers are not discriminated against anymore then anybody else. There are rules that are in place because of studies, facts and some are just to make money. Truck drivers don’t pay anymore then the rest of us because they just do like all other industries, they pass it on to the consumer.

Your statement “MOVING the economy and giving people like you the things you need so you can have the ability to decimate more” is really pretty silly when you consider,
1. If it weren’t for people like me as you say, we would not need truck drivers like you.
2. You are segregating yourself and the whole trucking industry from the rest of the people. You are part of America and you are part of the economy, you are not the reason for the economy.

Now this “How many accident free miles do you have?” well I haven’t had one in my life with another car or truck, lucky, yeah I would say so.

As to my statement “Who cares about the regulations" it was a question not a remark.

As to the rest I think you are looking for something special that is just not there, sorry. If you want to assume that truck drivers are different and are treated that much different then the rest of us then you will only succeed in separatism and that is why the revenues go higher because the “revenuer’s” use the old printable of “divided and concur”. It’s as old as the human race.
Posted by *Brenda* on 2007-02-01:
They are banned in towns because of the noise Stew. It's just a braking system that is VERY loud.
Posted by truckin21 on 2007-02-01:
Stew: Have you ever but "dual pipes" on a car? In the 50's and 60's they were the craze of mostmhighschool kids that had a car. Why? they make noise. You put a "straight pipe" on a car (as apposed to a muffler) you can make noise. ou "rev" an engine and then let off, you hear noise, why? It is called back pressure. The Jake Brake is actually named after the person that invented it. He found away to make use of this "back pressure". He came up with an apparatus that is mounted on the engine. It diverts a certin amount of the exhaust back into the engine, in effect slowing it down. Everyone pretty much knows that diesel engines are "fired" by compression as apposed to the spark from a spark plug in a gas engine. Diesel engines have more back pressure therefore make more noise when yoy "let-off". Especial if you have "straight pipes, which alot of the "Independants" have. They say straight pipes whether on a car or truck "allow the engine to breathe better". However they are very noisy. And, in this day and age, no they don't restict the cars, just the trucks because for some reason, some people, including truck drives think it is "smart, funny, or what ever you want to call it, to do so. They don't care if they are near a school, residential area, hospitals, etc. Have you ever asked , or wanted to ask, your neighbor to turn down the stereo? I ope that answers your comment. "Jake Brakes were meant (and still are) to Help slow trucks, not make noise, however some people have different ideas.
Posted by truckin21 on 2007-02-01:
Lidman, why do you say "Driving longer than allowed is partof the job"? When anybody that knows anything, knows it is against the rules and regulations. Everybody uses the excuse, (and yes, it not only is an excuse, it is a copout) that the trucks are regulated more than cars because they are harder to stop, weigh more, and "more difficult to control". News Flash: Trucks are no more difficult to control than cars, they are no more harder to stop than cars, but, yes, they do weigh more. Your attitude tells me that you were/are one of those drivers that help create some of these redicoulus regs. WHY? maily your statement that driving longer than allowed is "part of the job". Since when did you ever work on a job that "required you to break the law" in order to make a living? I used to build ships, repair ships, build railcars, make parts for heavy equipment. None of those jobs ever required me to break the law in order to make money. In fact, if I did, They were fined and disciplined, not me, because THEY were in control. Yes, the driver is in control, but when you have a $1,000.00 house payment, 3 kids getting ready for college, and a $300.00 @ WEEK truck payment, what are you going to do? I didn't have any of that, thank GOD, but I was on the road trying to make a living when my wife died. And yes, they were excellant in getting me home. But, the day after I buried her they wanted me back on the road!!! I told them I would go back when I was ready. I took the responsibility of not going back to work until I was MENTAllY ready. Yes, you are right, it is the responsibility of the driver, therefore, why would a driver take the chance of getting a $1500.00 fine (which is the minimum for a log violation) when the job is going to only pay $300.00/$400.00? And when he does get caught (and they all do eventually, usually as the result of an accident) there comes another reg that we people that WANT to do it right have to abide by. All the drivers (that feel they have to run illegally) do, is make it impossible for the ones that DO want to do it right to make a living. Tell me this: As a car driver (4-wheeler) how many tickets do you need to get, or how many accidents do you need to have before you lose your license.? How many when you are a truck driver? I'm not going to say you don't drive now because you don't want to, but what I see from your attitude (and this is only me) I would not be surprised if you were "forced out".
Posted by truckin21 on 2007-02-01:
Anybody that says: "I do not rely on trucks for my business---I am self employed" has no idea of what is going on in this, or any other country. emt; I would like for you to name one thing, connected with your business, that, somewhere along the line, did not involve a truck
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-02-01:
truckin21 you name one thing in the hole trucking industry that does no totally rely on WE THE PEOPLE! With out us you are nothing and your trucks are road kill! Making stupid remarks like the one above to emt is what gives truck drivers a bad rep in the first place. What is you problem?
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-02-01:
I said driving longer is part of the job meaning you are responsible for watching your time. Truckin21 I am sorry about your wife really I am.
I don’t know why you insist on making a truck driver’s life or job anymore difficult then any other job or lively hood, it’s not! There are rules and if you want them changed, then making enemies and trying to become a "dead hero" is not the way to do it.

No! trucks are not as easy to stop as a car that is simple physics 101, “All objects have this tendency - they have inertia. But do some objects have more of a tendency to resist changes than others? Absolutely yes! The tendency of an object to resist changes in its state of motion is dependent upon mass. Inertia is that quantity which is solely dependent upon mass. The more mass which an object has, the more inertia it has - the more tendency it has to resist changes in its state of motion”. I hope you can understand the concept.

As far as the rest of wht yo say, you have no argument and you are making absolutely no sense at all.

For the last time I don’t drive a truck because I don’t want to, I have may own company. I make Epitaxial Reactors and I install them all over the world. I am in the process of retiring why in the he11 would I want to drive a truck?

Sir you make no point here except you want to be right?

Posted by truckin21 on 2007-02-01:
LIDMAN: ok, I'll make you a deal. I will stop driving truck, I will stop deliverying food to the store you shop at, I will stop bringing you pizza whenyou order home delivery, I will stop bring your heating fuel when you order it, I will stop sending my trucks out to repair your electric lines when they come down in a storm, I will stop bringing the trees to the mills so you can have lumber to build your house, I will stop bringing the cement, blacktop, asphalt to build your driveway, roads, and highways. I will shut down ALL trucks, you will still be around, but for how long? You ask any trucking company you want to: You can hire all the dispatchers you want, you can buy all the trucks you want, Jerry Moyers has over 17,000, but, (and that is a BIG BUT) if you don't have anybody to drive them what good are they?? All, it looks like is you just want to find fault with everything that I say, which is your right, but when you say that a truck drivers life is no more difficult than any other, that tells me you have never driven a truck for a living, and I am talking about a job that keeps you away from your family for 28 days out of 30, sometimes 6-8 months out of a year. Yes, it is our choice, but just because we decide to do a particular job, (and the only job in this country that cannot be moved to another country for cheaper wages)
why should we be penalized and continually treated like second class citizens.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-02-01:
You are a second class citizen if you believe that! If you want to play a violin for the rest of your life, keep going. But you really sound like a drama queen……
Posted by Poor Trucker on 2008-01-06:
Sadly, the American people can care less about the abuse, low pay, high accident statistics involving semi trucks, the fatality rates, & all the negatives that comes with being an OTR trucker. "IF YOU CAN'T STAND THE HEAT, GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN !!" The OTR trucking industry is experiencing an excess of 100% driver turnover rate. OTR trucking is dangerous work, and the statistics prove this. So why are you stupid enough to stay in OTR trucking, when most newbie drivers have the sense to get out of it after establishing their 1+ year of driving experience. Most drivers only do OTR long enough to establish their 1 year verifiable driving experience, then move on to become local drivers. Trucking companies can't match the high $$ pay and better working conditions of local driving without having to practically double the rates they charge for trucking services. To address this issue, the Feds passed NAFTA to let the cheaper Mexican truckers do the job. NAFTA has been temporarily halted because of the elections, but it will eventually go through. It doesn't make business sense to hire American truckers, when an alternative option is available, and thats cheaper truckers from other countries. We also give out working visa to anyone from a 3rd-world nation to come to the USA and drive a semi, so long as they speak English. American truckers don't have the sense to bring the Teamsters back into the picture if working conditions and pay are as bad as they claim. If they don't want to unionize, then they deserve everything thats happening right now. Eventually, we'll solve the driver shortage (turnover) issue by bringing in more Mexican truckers. Getting the freight at the cheapest cost is more important to the American people, than truckers' complaints of low pay, unsafe work conditions, etc... Your dumb enough not to unionize, so now suffer the consequences of this decision.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-01-06:
If the dam truck drivers would stop taking drugs and driving maybe we wouldn't have so many problems . As far as I care the trains can carry stuff a lot safer anyway.

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