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Buckeye Egg Farm Informative - Fast Food Chickens any one?

Review by 23169 on 2007-11-03
Next time you order a Chicken sandwich think about this.

This is a follow up to a post by Skye_Aubrey on the community forum.
Check out what you are eating at: http://www.eggcruelty.com/confinement.asp

Hens confined to battery cages live day in and day out without ever seeing the sun. The ability to walk freely, fully stretch their wings, or dust bathe, become impossible tasks.

The battery cage frustrates every natural instinct. These naturally clean animals are reduced to living in the excrement of their cage mates. Constant rubbing against the wire cages, and continuously being assaulted by the trampling of other hens, many hens become naked with feather loss.

Each shed at Buckeye Egg Farm confines over 150,000 hens. Each cage is approximately 24 inches wide, 20 inches deep, and 16 inches tall. With an average of eight hens per cage, each bird is allowed less than half a square foot of space, about 3/4 the area of a standard 8 1/2" x 11" piece of paper.

Buckeye Egg Farm ChickensSimilar conditions of confinement and crowding exist at Daylay egg farm in Raymond. The sheds investigated confined 140,000 to 250,000 birds. The cages measure 20 inches wide, 17 to 20 inches deep, and 17 inches tall.

After viewing the footage from Buckeye and Daylay, veterinarian Eric Dunayer, DVM stated:
"Each cage at the facility appears to contain at least eight hens. The hens are severely crowded--so crowded that wire floors of their cages are barely visible and the hens cannot move to another part of the cage without climbing over one another. The wire of the cage is caked with feces and feathers."

"Probably due to abrasion against the wire of their cages, many of the hens have suffered severe feather damage including missing wing and tail feathers. Many have patches of bare skin with deep, bloody abrasions or small masses that might be abscesses."

When these chickens are done laying eggs they are sold for food mainly to fast food joints.

Check out what you are eating at: http://www.eggcruelty.com/confinement.asp
Comments:77 Replies - Latest reply on 2007-11-04
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
As always good stuff Lidman. Very Helpful.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Thank's Stew (VH)
You haven't been posting that much in a while, what's going on?
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
I was in our nation's capital last week keeping y'all safe from the evildoers.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Did you tell them NOT to nuke Iran?
I would like to see 12/12/2012 at least long enough to see what is going to happen. LOL
Posted by DebtorBasher on 2007-11-03:
Thanks Liddy...
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Anyone for a chicken sandwich?
Posted by DigitalCommando on 2007-11-03:
As the birds eye seared through my soul, it said, I'm suffering for your next sandwich. And I said back, I hope you like wheat buns.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
and tartar!
Posted by DigitalCommando on 2007-11-03:
On a more serious note, this really is appalling, and I think these farm ownwers should be put in those same cages for a weekend to see how it feels.
Posted by Principissa on 2007-11-03:
I am almost too grossed out to make the chicken I took out for dinner tonight. I agree with Digital, let them sit in their own filth in those tiny cages for a week to see how it feels. These people should be ashamed of themselves.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
It really makes me not want to ever eat a chicken again.
Posted by DigitalCommando on 2007-11-03:
I have serious reservations about posting this website as it is EXTREMELY disturbing and has the potential to alter your eating habits forever, but I feel it is important for people to know what's going on here. WARNING to animal lovers, this video will absolutely ruin your day. http://www.meat.org/index-1.asp?c=MYMblogaddr112106
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Excellent info Lidman. Once again my3cent's leading consumer advocate shows why he's the favorite of the more enlightened members. Thanks Lidman!!! (and of course I voted your contribution VH but that goes without saying!)
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Thank you super, (VH) but it should also be known that this review was inspired by my once true love Miss Skye Aubrey. But alas she left me and now is having babies with some guy she married.
Posted by DigitalCommando on 2007-11-03:
Lidman, when you get a chance, check out the link above.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Which one?
Posted by DigitalCommando on 2007-11-03:
lidman -
http://www.meat.org/index-1.asp?c=MYMblogaddr112106
Posted by killerklown on 2007-11-03:
Meh...whatever keeps my chicken sandwich from eating bugs before they kill it.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
DC, it makes me wonder sometimes, I think maybe it is time to just give up on the world, blow it up and start over again. It’s a sick world!

For the rest of the below information: http://www.mechon-mamre.org/jewfaq/animals.htm

Judaism expresses no definitive opinion as to whether animals are capable of experiencing physical or psychological pain as humans do; however, Judaism has always recognized the link between the way a person treats animals and the way a person treats human beings.

A person who is cruel to a defenseless animal will undoubtedly be cruel to defenseless people, and a person who cares for the lowest of creatures will certainly care for his fellow man.

In the Torah, humanity is given dominion over animals, and has the right to use animals for legitimate needs. Animal flesh can be consumed for food; animal skins can be used for clothing; the Torah itself must be written on parchment, that is, animal hides.

However, we are permitted to use animals in this way only when there is a genuine, legitimate need, and we must do so in the manner that causes the animal the least suffering. Kosher slaughtering is designed to be as fast and painless as possible, and if anything occurs that might cause pain (such as a nick in the slaughtering knife or a delay in the cutting), the flesh may not be consumed. Hunting for sport is strictly prohibited, and hunting and trapping for legitimate needs is permissible only when it is done in the least painful way possible.

The laws regarding treatment of animals are referred to as Tzaar Baalei Chayim, prevention of cruelty to animals.
Under Jewish law, animals have some of the same rights as humans do. Animals rest on Shabbat, as humans do. We are forbidden to muzzle an ox while it is working in the field, just as we must allow human workers to eat from the produce they are harvesting.

Posted by DigitalCommando on 2007-11-03:
Lids, that's a nice post also. We will answer for the way we treat our fellow humans and the animals.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Thank you and I believe its true.
Posted by old fart on 2007-11-03:
Lids...I've been preaching gloom and doom on this sight for months now. I see that you're are coming around to my point of view..
Posted by Nohandle on 2007-11-03:
These informatives trouble me deeply. Why? For one it causes me to think about things I don't want to think about. You know folks, we go to the grocery and find the meat neatly packaged, stacked and ready for purchase and most times don't consider what took place prior to that. Skye's informative on the Forum side last night bothered me to the extent it was on my mind when I went to bed and when I woke this morning.

I didn't click onto any link provided by anyone because I can't bear to see it. As others have stated, we will pay someday for the way God's creatures are treated on this earth, whether human or animal. My thoughts are if one will mistreat/abuse an animal he won't hesitate to do the same to a human. That sounds a bit dramatic but it's the way I feel.

Good research Lid and we need to be reminded of this. VH
Posted by DigitalCommando on 2007-11-03:
Nohandle, that bear really bothered me also, I'm glad you didn't go to the link I posted. I did warn people about it as it would be devastating to people like yourself. I guess the real question is, what can we do about it?
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
I think I am going vegetarian. No one mess with my veggies! Thanks for the info Lid.
Posted by Nohandle on 2007-11-03:
What can we do about it DC? My feelings are what Skye did last night and Lid did today. Bring it to the attention of others. As painful as it is, with enough knowledge on the subject that might put some pressure on our so called civilized society. There's no rhyme or reason for mistreatment of an animal/fowl.

I remember as a kid being invited for the weekend for a visit to a new friends' home. Her dad had an egg ranch. What I recall about the visit were long buildings with chickens everywhere. None were in cages. The hens would hop into a bin (I've forgotten exactly what they were called) lay an egg and then they were gathered up. I suppose that's what is referred to as free range eggs now. Has modernization taken the place of humane treatment? It appears so.
Posted by DigitalCommando on 2007-11-03:
Nohandle, maybe there is an organization (other than PETA) that we could support financially, someone should do some research on this. Lidman is good at this kind of thing.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Nohandle, while I will not support PETA there are lots of places to support like your local animal shelter. Find out where the store you shop gets there meats and if it's one of these places then tell them why you are not going to buy anymore from them and that you intend to tell everyone you know.

You can buy Kosher meats because Kosher slaughtering is designed to be as fast and painless as possible, and if anything occurs that might cause pain (such as a nick in the slaughtering knife or a delay in the cutting), the flesh may not be consumed.

And they believe a person who is cruel to a defenseless animal will undoubtedly be cruel to defenseless people, and a person who cares for the lowest of creatures will certainly care for his fellow man.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
ugh.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
These things have been publicized for years--where have you all been? As was said, I think most people just don't want to think about it. It's good to see that more people are aware of the treatment of animals that are being used for our food. You may have to pay more, but if you do a little research, there are local places that treat our food humanely (while it is alive). It's not wrong to eat meat, poultry or fish, but try to buy the stuff that is raised with respect or go vegetarian. Have you ever seen the trucks on the highway transporting the live chickens? I almost vomit every time I drive by one.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Lidman--Do Kosher meats have to be raised a certain way too? Just wondering because these meats are becoming more available and it could be a good source if they are raised humanely? I know Trader Joes carries some Kosher meat products.
Posted by DigitalCommando on 2007-11-03:
Diane, there are a lot of people out there that have no clue about this, but it is starting to get out more so that is a good thing. How much more per pound do you pay for your chicken as compared with store bought?
Posted by Skye on 2007-11-03:
Thanks Lidman! I was just going to post a review regarding caged chickens, and lo and behold you beat me to it!!

Very informative, and very helpful.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
DC--Probably $2 a pound more--but, to be honest, I don't pay attention to what the cheaper stuff costs. I don't even consider buying it. We eat less poultry, fish and meat, so really our meat budget is pretty small.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
(VH) Lidman,Thanks for bringing this to my attention(SARCASM!)
No really,I usually go for the "free range" birds myself,but then again they get slaughtered as well.

Super,what is that farm off the 605 close to City of Industry?Is it a duck farm?All I know is when you pass by it reeks!
Posted by shawnp80 on 2007-11-03:
Good stuff Lid!
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
perhaps we should all just eat soylent green.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Its not meat!Its PEOPLE!!!
Posted by DigitalCommando on 2007-11-03:
Steve, what price difference do you see between store bought and free range, and is there a difference in taste?
Posted by DigitalCommando on 2007-11-03:
Soylent green, oops, I think pirate just discovered what spam is really made of.
Posted by Skye on 2007-11-03:
Wow, this is all so deja vu. Its almost the same conversations we all had, regarding my post about the Chinese Moon Bears.

Now go to my blog, and do your part.
Posted by DigitalCommando on 2007-11-03:
Hi Skye & shawn, what's happening?
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Not sure about the price(never really noticed).As for the taste I can't tell the difference.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
it all tastes like chicken!
Posted by DigitalCommando on 2007-11-03:
If I remember right, wasn't KFC the LAST FF restaurant to offer a chicken sandwich?
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
mmmm.teriyakichicken.mmmm
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
mmmmmmmmmmm, fully cooked hotwings !
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Ewww--Soylent Green--now that was one creepy movie! DC--I think there is a definite taste difference between free range chicken/turkey. We especially noticed the difference between the turkeys--the free range taste very good--and no chemicals injected into them to make them juicy (i.e., Butterballs).
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Steve, I think it's gone now, the horse stables and other farm type stuff is all gone for the most part. Homes and strip malls now. I do remember the stink along there for years from all the animals kept along the wash there.

If you need a good gag the cows are still along the 5 freeway up towards the San Jose turn off. In July and August that was always a nice area to drive thru.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Soylent green, another great Charleston Heston movie. Remember he always ended up getting killed in the end of those movies in some high drama death.
Posted by DigitalCommando on 2007-11-03:
Planet of the apes is my favorite heston flick with omega man a close second.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Never saw one guy die so many times in his movies. LOL
Posted by DigitalCommando on 2007-11-03:
Diane, I'm going grocery shopping later and i'll try the free range chicken for a BBQ, thanks.
Posted by Nohandle on 2007-11-03:
I've wandered off for a moment and now I'm back. Where have we been all been on this issue in the past Dianec? Many are aware who weren't in the past. I've known for years what has gone on and feel Skye in her post last night and Lid's today has brought this to the attention of those who didn't know. I drive to my office very early each morning and usually find myself behind one of the poultry trucks you're speaking of, there being a processing plant in my area. Crates stacked I don't know how high, width or length. It's a sight you don't want to drive behind for those who haven't had the pleasure.

I classify the elderly, children and animals in somewhat the same category in one respect. That being, many times they are unable to defend themselves. Those individuals who fall between children and the elderly are at my mercy. I won't give them an easy time.
Posted by Skye on 2007-11-03:
People don't know, or even think about the conditions that their "food" is raised and abused under. I myself, do not eat anything that had a face, tail, you get the drift. I don't begrudge people for what they eat, but I think animals can be treated more humanely, before being slaughtered. If people saw how chickens, cattle, even fish were treated before getting to the stores for human consumption, it would wake people up. Maybe if someone saw how the steak they were just about to chow down on, was carved off a steer, that was still "ALIVE" as he was being sliced up, they may just change their minds.
Posted by Skye on 2007-11-03:
No Handle, never been behind a poultry truck, but driving here from NY, I passed many slaughter houses, and that was enough for me. I remember when I was in the 3rd grade, we went on a trip to a rabbit farm, and I couldn't understand why these poor bunnies were all squished together in cages, and why the gift shop sold their body part, IE< rabbit foots, for good luck?? Wasn't very lucky for the rabbit. I cried days after that trip, and my mom had the school hold a big meeting, and these trips were cancelled for future classes. Still to this day, never understood the purpose of that trip.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
we're all dumb animals, put on this earth to eat eachother!
Posted by Skye on 2007-11-03:
Animals aren't dumb. I have met more dumb people in my life, then I care to remember. "Dumb" is an old term used, meaning cannot speak.

And as for eating eachother, no comment :O
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Skye, well said...
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Nohandle--You're absolutely right--the education must be passed on to the unaware. I guess I continue to be amazed at how many people really don't know what's going on--I've been immersed in it for quite some time.

Skye--That's horrible about your experience at the rabbit farm. Your mom sounds a lot like me--very proactive. And, I agree that animals are certainly not dumb. We have had dogs and a horse that would both agree.

DC--You're probably gone now, but I checked my freezer, and I paid $5.69/pound for the free range chicken breasts at Trader Joes (Ranger brand, a local WA company).

On a good note, have a good remainder of the weekend with happier thoughts.
Posted by DigitalCommando on 2007-11-03:
Diane, I'm still here, popping in and out watching tv, thanks for the info.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Though I'm at the office, I try to monitor things around here too.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
DC--You are welcome!
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
dianec (11/03/2007)
Lidman--Do Kosher meats have to be raised a certain way too?
Yes they must be raised with the same respect as you are talking about so they live a "normal" life for any animal.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Skye, you did read the first part right?
"This is a follow up to a post by Skye_Aubrey on the community forum."
and this one?
Lidman (11/03/2007)
Thank you super, (VH) but it should also be known that this review was inspired by my once true love Miss Skye Aubrey. But alas she left me and now is having babies with some guy she married.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Nohandle, I was in Korea riding a bus and saw what we called the Mung, Mung truck. Talk about bad, it was an open-air truck with cages just like the chicken trucks. The cages were just a little bigger but not much and in each cage was a hound dog. Yes, a hound dog and they were unable to even put there legs underneath them self’s'. It was one of the saddest sites I think I've ever seen. They were on their way to stores and restaurants. They kill them when you order them.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
DC, the real difference between free range and farm is caused by two things what they are feed and how they are cooked. Free-range animals also don't get pumped full of chemicals.
Posted by Skye on 2007-11-03:
Lidman, of course I read that part, and thank you for the recognition.

As for being your true love, you know I wasn't the first, and won't be the last!!

You know you have a hugh following of ladies, and not enough time!!
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Skye, you're right I vote you (VH)
Posted by Skye on 2007-11-03:
hey it won't let me edit!

I mean time, as in hours in a day for female following you have.
Posted by Skye on 2007-11-03:
Thank you :)

Now why won't admin recognize me and give me another star!

But....I won't beg, yet, lol...
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Okay, I just had a Panera "Caesar Chicken Sandwich." Wasn't very good. Hate to think a tortured chicken had to give up his soul to be made into that crummy thing!
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Pirate, that wasn't chicken!
Posted by Paks on 2007-11-03:
MMMMMM MEAT !
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
Lidman--Thanks for the "Kosher" info.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-11-03:
You are weclome, DianeC.

Pirate it wasn't meat!
Posted by Justusryan on 2007-11-04:
I live right next to Buckeye Egg Farm in Ohio, and this story could'nt be more true. The smell is horrible for miles!

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