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State Government Complaint - States Should Not Raise Taxes During This Recession

Review by nanomarket on 2008-11-22
Due to the recession, my state is not collecting sufficient tax revenue to maintain public schools. Classrooms are overcrowded and there’s a shortage of books. Our state legislature is considering raising property taxes to cover the shortfall.

Although I have no children, I never objected that a large portion of my property taxes went to public schools. Now that we are in a recession and I no longer work, I don’t feel so obligated to pay for the education of other peoples’ children. Rather than raising everyone’s taxes, wouldn’t it more equitable to tax only the parents of children who are attending public schools?
Comments:48 Replies - Latest reply on 2008-11-23
Posted by Davenport on 2008-11-22:
Did you go to public school? I'm assuming not, because someone who got their education funded by taxpayers couldn't possibly be complaining about passing on their good fortune, right?

Consider it a way of making yourself safer. More education usually leads to less crime.
Posted by nanomarket on 2008-11-22:
I attended public schools and do not object to supporting them. The point of my complaint is that the parents of children in public schools should pay higher school taxes than people who have no children. I would add that people who send their children to private schools should also pay lower school taxes.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-22:
Do you realize that the quality of the schools is reflected in your property values? When I get mad about taxes, I think about that. Cleveland Public Schools are in the toilet and you can buy a 1,500 square ft house there for around $4000. I don't have children either, but I believe in supporting schools and our children, if for nothing else than the fact that my property values are being maintained. If you really want to take issue, consider that it takes an average of $9000 a year to educate ONE child and $40,000 a year to keep ONE prisoner in food, clothes, television, computer time, a weight room, and to help them get degrees while in prison. There is something seriously wrong with this ratio. Now, I think I'll go back to putting tape on the binding of my 13 year old Of Mice and Men books so I can give them to my students on Monday.
Posted by Principissa on 2008-11-22:
Listen, I paid in 812.00 to the public school system this year, and I don't mind.

My son is disabled and needs the funding from that 812.00 in order for him to get an education. He needs a one on one aid, speech therapy and occupational therapy. Do you think it's fair that he not get an education while everyone around him does? How would you feel if you were me and were told that we would love to help your son, but we can't afford it, so he's just going to have to sit there and fail because we can't afford to help him.

My oldest son goes to private school and I paid taxes even before my youngest started school. I never once complained about having to give money to the public school system. A child's education is priceless. There is no monetary value that can replace an education.

Now tell me something, why should my taxes be higher than yours?

If you live in the same type of home I do, in the same neighborhood as me, why should you pay less than I do? If anything you should pay more seeing as you have nobody depending on you for food, shelter, and clothing aside from yourself.

So you're saying that because I have a child in public school that I pay more money and risk having to have my children go without necessary items because my taxes are now raised.

Do you freakin hear yourself? So you would rather see all these families struggle to make ends meet because you want them to have higher taxes? Are you freakin kidding me?

Whatever you're on, please share. I'd love to live in your perfect hypothetical little fantasy land.

Oh, and since you admit to having no children in the public school system and do not realize just how underfunded these programs are, ESPECIALLY, the programs for disabled children, I'd do some research before you open your mouth.
Posted by TGT101 on 2008-11-22:
Government is set up as to give preference to families with children. That's the way it is and that's the way it will always be. That ensures the government will have more income in the future.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-22:
I agree, and along with that, I think I should only have to pay health insurance when I get sick. And I've never been on an aircraft carrier, so I don't want to pay for them either.
Posted by madconsumer on 2008-11-22:
guess it is time for you to sell the house, and live where they do not tax property for schools.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2008-11-22:
and it's going to get worse with all the "help" the new congress and prez are going to hand out.
Posted by nanomarket on 2008-11-22:
Looks like I lost this argument. Thanks for your comments.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2008-11-22:
nah, did not win or loose...just provoked discussion!!
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-22:
There is no win or lose in your scenario, dear...right now, I think it sucks that no matter what people make, it doesn't feel like enough in this economy. I hear you, and I understand how you feel. My housepayment, in eight years has gone up five times because of taxes. I never get ahead. Ohio has been funding schools illegally for 12 years now. They aren't allowed to ask tax payers for it, but they have no other system in line to do it, and schools are going broke left and right here. It's a bad situation and I'm glad you came on here to talk about it.
Posted by Principissa on 2008-11-22:
HOW DARE YOU! HOW DARE YOU!

I got your IM, how dare you. You assume I seek government assistance to care for my son! Who do you think you are implying that I am some welfare abusing, food stamp using, medicaid recipient. No government agency helps me care for my son. I have private insurance through my husband's job to help him.

Are you implying that my son does not deserve an education because he costs too much money in taxes? Would it be better if I kept him home so that poor you doesn't have to pay higher taxes?

I contribute enough money to care and provide for my children. I didn't ask you for the 20k it cost us to send him to a neurologist and have MRI's because our insurance wouldn't cover them. I didn't ask the taxpayers for the 15k we spent traveling back and forth to take him to one of the best pediatric neurologists in the country. And I am not asking now.

The fact that you payed 15x as much as me means diddly squat. I live in rural Kentucky. My property taxes for the year on 3/4 of an acre was only 1262.00. That's it. My mom in Florida has a smaller yard than me and paid nearly 7k in property tax. My dad in NJ paid 5k for his. Big frickin deal.

These are little kids you are talking about, not little dollar signs. And I will not have anyone think that way about my children or anyone else's. You don't like paying taxes move to a private island somewhere and make your own rules.
Posted by nanomarket on 2008-11-22:
Principissa - Read your previous comment before flying off the handle. You clearly said that your property taxes pay for your son's therapy and implied if the the taxes were higher (particularly for people like me who do not have children) then your son and children like him would get better care. I commend you for taking such good care of children at your own expense.
Posted by Principissa on 2008-11-22:
My property taxes do not necessarily go to my son or his needs at school. They just go to the school district and they do what they want with it.

You opened this can of worms pal, I'm not nice when it comes to my kids.

My taxes pay for any child in public school not just my own. My own pocket money goes to the care of both of my children. I would much rather my tax dollars go to the public schools than the prisons.

I honestly have no clue where you got that impression. I could care less if you have children or if you don't, you live in the US you pay taxes. And if my taxes get raised, my children go without. So to be quite frank, I'd rather have a childless person have a slightly higher tax bracket than have to worry if my children will be fed tomorrow night because I have to pay higher taxes.

Posted by Nohandle on 2008-11-22:
I own property out of state. Yearly I receive my tax bill which includes a percentage for schools, hospitals, roads and I don't know what else. I don't live there, nor visit, but that's the way it is with property taxes. As far as I know it's probably that same way in every state, whether you reside there or not.
Posted by nanomarket on 2008-11-22:
Nohandle - How do you feel about paying taxes for benefits you never get? I know that's the way it is with property taxes, but when the recession forces states to raise taxes, wouldn't it be more equitable to tax the beneficiaries a bit more than people like you and me.
Posted by Principissa on 2008-11-22:
How is that fair though? Listen to yourself. You want the government to raise taxes for families because they have a kid in public school? How is that fair to a family?

So what you're saying is that hypothetically, if you and your neighbor own similar houses on the same amount of property, you should pay less taxes and he should pay more because his daughter goes to public school.

How is that even remotely fair!? What you are trying to do would make families unable to afford their homes because the taxes are too high. Homes these people spent years trying to build up and make their own. So it's fair then since their taxes are so high that they are forced to move out and move into something smaller or rent because you and people like you think they should pay more in taxes.

Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-22:
Part of my taxes go to the local public schools. I do not have children and will not have children. Do you think that I should have to pay taxes for public schools for everyone elses children? I say yes, absolutely! I want the children of today to have an education. Even with the public schools being so messed up it is the only opportunity that a lot of kids have for any type of education. College is so expensive, public school education is all some kids will ever get. I want tomorrows adults to have every chance possible to make it in life. To the OP: I cannot believe you even made this post. But in todays world it does not surprise me. We are a society of "what about me's". How selfish.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-22:
My school taxes are $2200.00 a year, and for that I just want the right to be able to whip off the road and throttle any kid I see with his pants down below his ass.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-22:
LOL C20! I cannot believe parents let their kids out of the house looking like that.
Posted by Principissa on 2008-11-22:
LOL C2O!!!!

I just want to pull up their pants for them!! Their butts must be so cold in the winter with it hanging out like that.
Posted by DebtorBasher on 2008-11-22:
LOL...yeah, use some of that tax money for suspenders!
*Larry King and Steve Urkel Agree*
Posted by old fart on 2008-11-22:
All three of my kids went to parochial schools and I never begrudged the government the money for public schools..
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-22:
Okay... so I had to go through the rest of the posts because I always try to read the post, then post my comment.. and then read the rest of the posts so I know that I am following my opinions, and not just that of the majority.

I just have to say this. We (or I) do not know the content of the IM that you sent to Princi, other than the points she mentioned. All I can say is this, don't pick on Princi's kids cause she and the rest of us will open a can of whoop a$$.
Posted by nanomarket on 2008-11-22:
JohnInSoCal - If you dislike this post, why did you comment? Do you think I would have attracted so many diverse and interesting opinions if I had complained about the cold cheeseburger that I bought at McDonalds? Maybe I should switch to another web site.
Posted by *Brenda* on 2008-11-22:
My school taxes are $2,500.00 a year and I have no problem paying it. I went to public school. I don't have children yet but education is important. These children are the future.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-22:
Liking or disliking the post is not the issue. But thanks for trying to divert attention from the fact you made inappopriate personal comments about a child in an IM to another member. If you would like to change to another web site, feel free to do so. That is your choice.
Posted by MRM on 2008-11-22:
Brenda! Long time, no see! Glad to hear from you!
Posted by DebtorBasher on 2008-11-22:
I like your Avitar, Brenda....cute.
Posted by nanomarket on 2008-11-22:
Looks like you read the IM. If you think my comments were inappropriate, why don't you post them here and let everyone crucify me.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-22:
Well said John! In California we passed a law that 40% of the tax income has to go towards education. In these hard times rather than cut the fat from the state budget our morons in Sacramento want to overturn the law we the voters passed and get into that 40%. Screw them, lay off and fire the idiot middle managers that do shyt. Fire the middle managers in the school systems to keep our teachers.

The 40% will be a lot less this year due to a shyty economy and now the idiots want to take more of that? Enough already! Cut the fat like any other business is doing. Do we really need five managers for every worker? I think not!

Nanomarket, pay your damn taxes just like people did for you when you were in school and stop your whining. I seldom bash a new member on their first review but you crossed the line with your IM to Princi. You have no idea who Princi is, what she has been thru or anything else about her so pay your taxes and shut the he11 up!

NOT HELPFUL!

Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-22:
No nano, I did not read the IM. Stop trying to throw a pity party. Stop turning this into people trying to crucify you. You are being melodramatic.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-22:
Ditto MRM, glad to see you on the site again Brenda.
Posted by nanomarket on 2008-11-22:
John, if you have not read the IM, how do you know that I made "inappopriate personal comments about a child in an IM to another member". Do you always condemn people before getting the facts? In her post here, Princ greatly exaggerated what I wrote.
Posted by Principissa on 2008-11-22:
No I didn't.
Posted by nanomarket on 2008-11-22:
OK, Princip, with your permission, I will post the total unedited IM that I sent to you.
Posted by Principissa on 2008-11-22:
Go ahead.

All they're going to see is the part where you said "No government agency helped me so why should you get help."

You clearly inferred that my son does not deserve help with an education. That I need help from the government. WTF. I'm still flaming mad about that bloody sentence.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-22:
Nano, Princi has been around less time and offers enough feedback that I know that if she makes a statement in a post that she is relating it to us in the manner that it was sent to her. Do I share the same opinion that she has on every post? No. But I know that the opinions she gives are posted with the best of intention and often gives me reason to stop and think about the subject deeper. Nano, you only pop up once in a while to share a thought or two unless you are a regular who uses multiple names. So, I will believe princi's account of what happened before I will believe yours.
Posted by nanomarket on 2008-11-22:
To Principissa on 11/22/2008
I want to respond to your comments on my complaint about school tax.

You said: My son is disabled and needs the funding from that 812.00 [you pay in property taxes] in order for him to get an education. He needs a one on one aid, speech therapy and occupational therapy. Do you think it's fair that he not get an education while everyone around him does? How would you feel if you were me and were told that we would love to help your son, but we can't afford it, so he's just going to have to sit there and fail because we can't afford to help him.

My response: I�m sorry that your son is disabled, but you are getting a good deal paying just $812 / year for one on one aid. I paid 15 X that amount to pay for the care of my disabled mother. No government agency helped me, so why should you expect help?

You said: Oh, and since you admit to having no children in the public school system and do not realize just how underfunded these programs are, ESPECIALLY, the programs for disabled children, I'd do some research before you open your mouth.

My response: My wife taught in the public schools for 15 years and my step daughter teaches disabled children. I know that schools are sorely underfunded and said so in my complaint. I also know that governments will never give schools the funds that they need, so the parents should contribute.
Posted by Principissa on 2008-11-22:
That is what I was sent, just to confirm.

What was sent to me was inappropriate at best. Opinions are one thing but do not insult my child by making him seem a government assisted whelp. I take good care of my baby. He sees the best doctors and therapists. I pay for all of these things with my own money, even things the school should pay for are paid by us. And it costs a heck of a lot more than 812.00 a year. This was an insult. This is a child, and he deserves a proper education.
Posted by nanomarket on 2008-11-22:
Please show everyone where I "insulted your child by making him seem a government assisted whelp." You can't get things right even when the truth is in front of you.
Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-22:
Inappropriate at best is an understatement. Nano, you had no right to make those comments. None what so ever. You do not know Princi's life circumstances. You do not know of her income. You do not know anything about her husband. You know nothing of any insurance coverages she may or may not have.

Your statement that "I also know that governments will never give schools the funds that they need, so the parents should contribute." I don't have kids in school and even I know that parents already contribute. Parents give by donating used books to the school. Parents give by assisting in fund raising events, such as carnivals, cookie/magazine/wrapping paper fund raiser sales; parents give by chaperoning field trips; parents give by volunteering as crossing guards; parents give by assisting the librarian at the schools and so on. Your wife and step daughter having taught or currently teaching in public schools should already know this.

You really should stop, Nano. You are not earning any gold stars tonight.
Posted by nanomarket on 2008-11-22:
I don't know the circumstances of anyone on this web site. I only respond to what they write. In this case I was responding (PRIVATELY) to Princip's comments (4th from the top). She then publicized them here.
Posted by DebtorBasher on 2008-11-22:
Who Posted the PRIVATE IM?

nanomarket (11/22/2008) OK, Princip, with your permission, I will post the total unedited IM that I sent to you.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2008-11-22:
...comments deleted...sorry, thought about my response and decided I don't want to bring my self down to that level..

Posted by Anonymous on 2008-11-22:
I saw your comment jkt. You werent lowering yourself.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2008-11-23:
Princi...there are some out there that will never learn.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2008-11-23:
thanks john.

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