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Places that sell cigarettes like Wal Mart Informative - A nice word about smoking

Review by Anonymous on 2004-07-30
I have seen a thread on this site where a customer was totally bashed for not being able to buy cigarettes in certain check out counters at Wal Mart.

Most of the bashers were, more than likely, non smokers. I would like to point out a few facts and perhaps get some questions answered (preferably by militant non smokers who march in parades against this rolled plant).

Facts:

1. Quitting smoking DOES NOT garantee you a longer life.......regardless of what the media reports.

2. There han never been a documented case of any one loss of human life because of second hand smoke.

3. Factories and automobiles are responsible for the destruction of our air 100 million times more than cigarettes.............therefore non smokers shouldn't drive, take any form of public transportation, or purchase any products made in factories.

4. Non smokers have every right in the world to enjoy a restaurant meal (although I don't eat in restaurants - just drink in them) without cigarette smoke.........please remember this area is called the NON SMOKING AREA. Now, the bar is usually the only place that is designated for smokers.......so why do non smokers go to the bar and complain? Oh, one more thing...people under 18 have no business being where alcohol is served.......period.

Now to the questions:

1. Can anyone explain why my aunt died at age 92 (in her sleep / and was not sick) when she smoked 2 packs a day for 50 years and my uncle died at 51 (from a heart attack) and never smoked a cigarette in his life?

I have consulted the media about this and heard nothing...........

2. Would you feel more comfortable being locked in a garage with a car running and the doors locked........or with a person with a pack of cigarettes who lit up about once every 30 minutes?

If either of these questions can be answered, please do so.........
Comments:31 Replies - Latest reply on 2007-08-27
Posted by chris75056_1 on 2004-07-30:
I don't need studies or statistics to tell me that inhaling smoke into my lungs is a bad idea. And I'm opening myself up to being flamed to death (no pun intended), but smoking is without a doubt one of the most asinine things on this planet. I just don't get it.
Posted by Slimjim on 2004-07-30:
This one is going to be good for a lengthy thread of debates. While I agree with every point the poster makes, there still is the overall fact- smoking is certainly not good for you. Every smoker knows that and hopes he/she basically gets away with it (i.e. lives a long life free of the effects). I am especially in agreement of second hand smoke issues, and never felt they had the effects on non-smokers some "new" studies try to make out. Chris, you don't have to smoke to get it. It's an addiction-just like drinking, drugs, overeating, and other things bad for us that some people do anyway.
Posted by TXRoadTrip on 2004-07-30:
Smoking kills, its plain and simple!
It also pollutes the air, just as your gas powered car does.
Not much being done about both problems.
The cigarette companies should be sued for peoples health problems for adding chemical additives to the cigarettes that make them addictive - this has been going on since the 60's.
Cigarettes with additives should be regulated as drugs!
The FDA should regulate cigarettes and more studies should be done.
Why cant people have regular tobacco cigarettes without being laced with additives?
Why cant people grow their own tobacco?
Why is tobacco under control of the Government who regulates only certain Corporations to grow it and profit from it?
Its just a plant, right.
Its not like you will lace it like the big Cigarette Corporation do, right.
Why the strict controls / monopoly on tobacco?
Ask your Politicians.
OOOPPPS the big Corporations pay them to get into office and lobby for them.
And they dont care about WE THE PEOPLE.
It all comes down to money they make you addicted you buy more you die or get sick and they do nothing to help you and wait for the next smoker to come along and it repeats the process, you are lining their pockets at your own expense and with your life.
Is it really worth it?
Put the cigarettes down go for a walk, jog, bike ride, etc. and learn to breathe again If you feel the need chew gum, suck on a dum dum, taffy or something, suck face, just preoccupy yourself before you kill yourself smoking.
Think what did you do before you smoked cigarettes?
Lived a non-addicted life?
Posted by TXRoadTrip on 2004-07-30:
Now to the questions:

1. Can anyone explain why my aunt died at age 92 (in her sleep / and was not sick) when she smoked 2 packs a day for 50 years and my uncle died at 51 (from a heart attack) and never smoked a cigarette in his life?

Please help yourself.
Take care for yourself, no one else will!
Weight, diet, exercise and lack of is a major factor!
Posted by LegalCollector on 2004-07-30:
I just quit smoking, about 6 months ago, and now I can run 4 miles instead of 2. You sayin thats not a health advantage?
Posted by chris75056_1 on 2004-07-30:
I get the addiction part, slimjim. And I can understand why someone might be curious and try smoking once. But what is it that makes people CONTINUE smoking long enough to develop a habit out of it? I can't imagine anyone choking and gagging on their first drag and thinking" "Wow. I could get used to this." ?????????
Posted by oneufear on 2004-07-30:
Cigarette smoking, to me, is more of a habit than an addiction. I believe the power of the mind can overcome anything........and if a person really wants to quit, they can.

I do smoke. I quit once for 4 years and picked them up again when traveling long distances by car for work. When I quit I really didn't notice much change except I gained about 10 pounds. As far as I know, people are not allowed to smoke anywhere (except casinos and bars......yes, bars in restaurants too). People's homes and automobiles are not smoke free (yet).

To me, the worst people are not the ones who have never smoked...but the ones who smoked for years, decided to quit, and developed the attitude of - "I quit, now everyone else should too".

I could be wrong about this but I have never personally seen a person go through such sevier withdrawl from cigarettes that death actually occured. Perhaps some people do get physically sick from quitting smoking and have to hospitalized for several days but I have never seen it.........and the news media would certainly jump all over that.

According to the media, it is dangerous to do anything...and the poor people of this country (the US) swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

Look at the Atkin's diet craze and the total flooding of the airwayes with a "low carb lifestyle".........it's nothing but a marketing ploy to get people to buy products. Much like whenh the Government and the Media help companies by telling the masses at midnight on New Year's Eve of the mellinium (1999 to 2000), the country was going to be in a terrible mess. What did most people do? Ran out and got everything they could get their hands on to "survive". The corporations and our Government got good chuckle out of that one.

In all honesty, I tru8ly believe people who don't smoke will enter a restaurant thinking - "Oh God, there's cigarette smoke in here and I might get cancer".........they simply don't like the smell of it and, of course, people's own opinions are are what the most important to them.

So, I say cigarettes are way too bullied by the media. John Lennon managed to move an entire generation with his thought.........I wonder if he did it when he was on heroin or sober?
Posted by oneufear on 2004-07-30:
Here's a good reason: Smoking has been banned in nearly EVERY place in the US. The only place a smoker can go is a bar, a nightclub, or a casino. When people frequent these places it's usually to alter their mind..........give it a rest!! You can't smoke in a shopping mall, an airport, on a plane, in a bank, in a grocery store, in a fast food place, ANYWHERE..............So for God's sake, if you have to complain about the few places people can smoke, take some of your own advice and be considerate.........have a drink at home, call a taxi, then go to a non smoking restaurant!! I think that's a pretty fair trade off when non smokers have their way EVERYWHERE except the 3 places I mentioned. How often do people over the age of 30 go to night clubs? How often do people really go to casinos? And, yes their are actually restaurants with bars (in the South anyway) that offer complete non smoking..........none of which do to well I might add. Just to clear things up (no pun intended).....if you have enough drinks, you'll not recognize smoke or a fart!!
Posted by tander on 2004-07-30:
I'm a non-smoker after quitting 2 years ago, I never realized how stinky a person can get, after being in a enclosed car with cigarette smoke, now I smell it and its horrible, anyone who quits, has got to have alot of strength, its not easy, and after 2 years I still get that urge to smoke.
Posted by oneufear on 2004-07-30:
HiddenAgenda: GO TO A NON SMOKING RESTAURANT!! Or, is everyone supposed to conform to YOUR way of thinking when you enter an establishment? You can read can't you? When you enter a restaurant that clearly states NON SMOKING SECTION AVAILABLE (which means smoking is allowed too), you have every right to turn around and leave the restaurant and go to one that doesn't allow it. I wouldn't think of lighting up in a non smoking area so quit the preaching about what SHOULD happen in an area where I can smoke just because YOU disapprove of it!! Yes, I smoke out of choice and, obviously, you choose not to smoke.........so why condemn me for doing what I choose to do in a designated area? Choices...we all have them...........it's just as easy for you to CHOOSE to go to a non smoking establishment. Oh, and by the way...........sugar coat it however you like.....the "mind altering" comment does not hold merit. I don't know what you call it in your home but when I open a beer or a bottlf liquor and turn it up, it may be done socially but it still alters the mind...........yours included if you have a drink.
Posted by oneufear on 2004-07-30:
I'll guarantee I make more than you (salary wise) and I probably exceed your intelligence level. When people result to name calling and "pollute" cyber space because they can't back up their beliefs, I'll waste no more time with YOU. You have given NOTHING but your stupid right wing oppinion which is worthless. Go back to church and pray for life to become as you think it should...........meanwhile, I'll have another beer and a smoke!!
Posted by oneufear on 2004-07-31:
Another thing I like about people like "hidden"..............I'll always have the last laugh because if THEY choose to come into a smoking establishment, people like me will remember things like this site and light up because I CAN.............have a nice day and remeber......NON SMOKERS DIE EVERYDAY :)
Posted by dvsmadcow on 2004-07-31:
to the poster (better known as Tbarnett see his posts about Outback, he says the same things!):
As a former smoker, I will say that I agree that people who have never smoked shouldn't do the exaggerated cough that they do (they sound worse than I ever did when I smoked!!!) to prove the point that the smoke bugs them; however, even in NON-smoking areas, the smoke permeates throughout the establishment and that isn't something that everyone wishes to partake in. I have to disagree with what you said about no reported cases of people dying of second hand smoke....where then, my friend, do the cases of emphyzema and lung cancer come from in the non-smoking community? Remeber, I'm speaking of people that NEVER smoked a cigarette in their lives.....please elaborate......
Posted by oneufear on 2004-08-01:
What are you saying? The only reason lung cancer exists on this planet is because of cigarettes? Thats nonsense. And to the loving person who claims their salary is twice mine (I wonder how they actually got ahold of my tax reports from an annymous complaint site?)......why would you walk into an establishment that allows smoking and complain about it when there are non smoking establishments available? That's a simple question........let's hear a simple answer.
Posted by oneufear on 2004-08-01:
I especially like the "10k race challenge" bit..........the only place I "run" is to get more beer and smokes :)
Posted by dvsmadcow on 2004-08-01:
one--I'm not one of those whiney people that complain everytime someone lights up...but I have to ask this, I will concede that lung cancer doesn't only come from cigarette smoke, but, why are non-smokers (those who have NEVER smoked) getting emphysema (a disease attributed to smoking)????
Posted by oneufear on 2004-08-01:
Well, let's see.............could air pollution have anything to do with it? Automobiles and factories put 100 million times as much poison in the air as cigarettes but of course non smokers aren't going to say a word about that because THEY benefit from THAT pollution (i.e. cars for transportation and factories that likely manufacture items the non smokers buy).........so of course that makes it alright. I know in my part of the country there are just as many non smoking establishments as ones that allow it........I wouldn't think of lighting up in a non smoking establishment..........but I guess certain people have a "RIGHT" to go in and DEMAND whatever they want...........very childish. What would work for everyone is to go where "your kind" is welcome and I'll stay with "my kind".
Posted by oneufear on 2004-08-01:
Thank you. It's very obvious from the rant above that I have struck a nerve by offering a valid and intelligent argument about smoking. You still haven't answered the question...........why enter an establishment that allows it when there are so many that don't? Problem solved.
Posted by sanford31031 on 2004-08-01:
Fear, I say we get together and smoke it up and get drunk, then hitch a ride to Hidden's house and torch it with none other than a cigarette.
Posted by oneufear on 2004-08-01:
Nah, I don't want my tax dollars spent on rebuilding his/her/it's house
Posted by sanford31031 on 2004-08-02:
Perhaps if your father hadn't tried to drop-kick you back into the womb, less brain damage would be apparent.
Posted by sanford31031 on 2004-08-02:
Fear, Hidden was a talented child: he learnt to scratch his arse and lick his balls at the same time, but he hasn't learnt much since then.
Posted by Anonymous on 2004-08-02:
Here you are Sanford, trying to show all these people how smart you think you are........where is you great advise you claim to give........I can't find it and I have read every posting on this site............People, here you have a real honest God, at least in her mind, truly a stupid person and her name is Sanford, she goes from site to site insulting, ridiculing and trying to pretend she is not the trailer part trash she really is.........Claims to have money, good job, wonderful husband......Yeah, right........She is really a man in drag.......so admittedly crude and rude even her parents can't stand her.......Lets see Sanford, it is probably 9 PM where you are, and you have been posting all day, don't you have to make dinner for that wonderful husband, I guess he is still at his girl friends house........... You are a dried up prune, old beyond you years from drinking and scrounging for food in the garbage cans, you are in a shelter that lets you use their computer because you are so pathitic.
Posted by sanford31031 on 2004-08-03:
That was a pretty good joke, kid. What are you trying to do, top your parents?
Posted by sanford31031 on 2004-08-03:
You think you know it all, so anytime you're ready I can email you a pic, tard.
Posted by Slimjim on 2004-08-03:
What a rockin day on my3cents! Biz and Sanny are fighting multi-prong wars, Maribell has been practically driven insane, Jeecheroo has an important Winn-Dixie update, and Mad-Eye is still being diplomatic above all the screaming. I'll have to come back for the late show after I find a crowded elevator to smoke a cigarette in.
Posted by sanford31031 on 2004-08-08:
I am married and it's not to a family member, nthebutt. Sorry you can't say the same.
Posted by oneufear on 2004-08-08:
Funny how "hidden" avoided the question I asked yet informed everyone of his/her/it's wealth............
Posted by TXRoadTrip on 2004-08-18:
Really the topic was about cigarettes – the pros and cons.
Not all the personal insults and mudsling.
Please ADMIN add a topic for trashing others – it would be more appropriate for the mud slinging.
Posted by kutya on 2004-08-30:
I like cheese
Posted by chris513 on 2007-08-27:
after reading this, i am kind of in the mood for a cigarette.

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