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Posted by Rudylopez3699 on 06/10/2013
LOS ANGELES -- On June 6, 2013 my sister arrived at Alaska Counter @ about 05:20 for her flight to Mexico City and after checking in got in line at far end left where employee said we were to check in the luggage.@ 06:55 another Alaska employee said we could not board because we had no time to check bags & board. We got referred to the manager (Ro) who said there was no compensation because we were late . I referred the lack of personnel at the gates to check in the luggage and to provide information as well as the parking ticket.
She said to call phone number for compensation @ CONSUMER NOTICES turned out to be reservations and offered to put her on the next flight at 17:45 HRS or on the next day's flight at 08:00 HRS. She said there was no compensation for been denied boarding.

I looked up internet under involuntary Denied Boarding Comp and talked to agent in Phoenix (R) who said they only handled reservations and to go back the next day and try to explain the problem.
Incidentally there were about 20+ people involved in this problem and quite a few of them took seats on the 17:35 HRS flight that day.

Next day talked with supervisor (L) and she said to call customer care. which doesn't work on weekends.
When my sister got to Mexico City, she was told she needs to pursue problem and that in Mexico they would have issued her a free ticket as compensation plus the meals she would get waiting for the next plane and the inconvenience.

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Posted by Weedwhacked on 2013-06-11:
I used to work for an airline so I know that your sister is probably not going to receive any kind of compensation. Being too late is not the same as involuntary denied boarding. Your sister's situation is that she didn't allow enough time for checking in to an international flight.
Posted by trmn8r on 2013-06-11:
From your description, I am leaning in the direction of the first reply - it appears that you were not there in a timely manner, and they denied you boarding.

However, it is hard to tell from the details exactly what happened.
Posted by Chaparrita on 2013-06-11:
First comment hit the nail on the head. This is not involuntary denied boarding
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Service scam
Posted by Cmatthews75 on 01/06/2012
ANCHORAGE -- We bought a used Cadillac for 16 K and got extended warranty. We found a document in the owner's book that indicated the car had been wrecked and had damage to frame, and that the transmission had been replaced but we were not told about this. We drove it for less than 6 months and it started using oil. I made 3 trips a week for 6 weeks to the dealer to have them check the oil; they always either said it was fine or they would add a quart and send me on my way. I asked for documentation on the repeated oil checks, and it seems they didn't log it in their computer all those times I brought it in. However, I did have my own written log for verification. Finally my husband took time off work to take it in and asked them to do a pressure check--they refused. He asked a few weeks later when it was still using oil--they refused. Finally when the extended warranty was almost up, he accused them of running a scam and they finally did a pressure check. Bingo-two toasted cylinders and a third ready to go. They replaced the engine. On run-up to test it, that engine blew a cylinder right through the engine and wiped out the fan, battery, radiator and a bunch of other stuff in the engine compartment. So they put in another engine. (If you are counting this is the third one.) To top it off, that was when GM was laying off a lot of workers, and the car was repossessed on the same day we made the monthly payment! And then they told us it was not worth anything at auction and we ended up paying 3K MORE on it. Plus we had to replace the catalytic converter at the very beginning before Alaska Sales and Service would even look at the car, and that was another thousand bucks. The trunk leaked. The trunk latch did not stay shut. The gas cap had to be opened with a stiff card as it routinely stuck. The windows didn't work properly. We will NEVER buy or drive another GM product. From now on we are Ford people.
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Posted by MDSasquatch on 2012-01-06:
How is GM responsible for an independent dealer selling you a wrecked car? You may want to try out CARFAX before your next purchase, their report would have most likely save you a lot of time and frustration.
Posted by cmatthews75 on 2012-01-06:
This is not an isolated problem. When you check out other Cadillac complaint sites you will see a myriad of complaints about the same thing, which is a badly engineered GM product. The dealer is certainly responsible for the shoddy customer service, which reflects directly on GM as a whole. Sorry, I've never heard of CARFAX, and I am currently buying a FORD.
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Great Company To Deal With
Posted by Dan gordon on 11/29/2011
Alaska air had a cyber Monday sale that is actually lasting one week. Not only did I get the $40 far to California from Seattle they advertised they are offering the pricing into March. Once I booked the tickets I looked at their 'low fare guarantee' and put in the flights already booked for January and without doing anything they issued a $174 credit. Its all done online and no hassle and I have a yr to use the 'credit'. Very easy and user friendly. If you don't use them but fly Delta, American put your miles on Alaska air as you can actually use their miles unlike most of the airlines compained about on here.
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Posted by azspots on 2011-11-29:
And their coffee is just plain wonderful :)
Posted by Anonymous on 2011-11-29:
Good review. Very helpful for anyone looking to travel on Alaska Airlines soon
Posted by Alain on 2011-11-29:
I haven't flown on these folks for a while, but I liked them last time I used them. Good to know they're still a good airline. Thanks for the review, Dan!
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Alaskan Airlines Customer Service
Posted by 386dolphin on 09/23/2010
Date: September 21, 2010

To: Alaskan Airlines

From; Lou Ann Anderson

Subject: Alaskan Airlines Customer Service

In 2008, I flew from Seattle to California, and back. On the return trip, my $250 camera, which my husband bought for me, as a wedding anniversary gift, was missing from my suitcase.

I called to complain about it, and the customer service representative told me, “It is not our responsibility.”

The next day I heard on the news that ten Alaskan Airlines baggage handlers were fired from their jobs due to dishonesty.

Why is it NOT Alaskan Airlines responsibility??????

We all realize that customer service reps can easily while away the hours, in a comfy office, with climate control, equipped with an espresso bar; and can easily forget about the poor sap, that is being ripped off by baggage handlers, employed by Alaskan Airlines.

Question: What would you call a team of customer service representatives, along with a team of dishonest baggage handlers, that “work”, (loosely used term) for Alaskan Airlines that seem to be uncomfortable with customer service skills?????

Answer: How about a mob!!!!!

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Posted by Anonymous on 2010-09-23:
Just for the record.....it's Alaska Airlines, not Alaskan. And I agree with you, you are entitled to all your belongings in your bag that you checked in to begin with.
Posted by ticia232 on 2010-09-23:
Due to fact that they actually caught thieves working for them, call
them up again. I think that they would pay up now.

But at the time, they didn't know (or maybe did but couldn't interrupt
an ongoing investigation, and I think this is the case.) so there was
nothing that the airline could do.
Posted by Helpful on 2010-09-24:
How does one really know what happen to the camera? All this sounds like is a lot of speculation.
Posted by CaptainSpaulding on 2010-09-24:
I agree with Helpful.

Since your camera was stolen over two years ago, even if it was stolen by an Alaska Airlines baggage handler, it is now long gone. After you found out that a number of Alaska Airlines baggage handlers had been fired for "dishonesty" days after your camera was stolen (Were they ever arrested for stealing items from customer's luggage?), you should have sought the advice of a lawyer on how to proceed against Alaska Airlines.

In the future, you should never pack valuables into checked luggage. All valuables (including cameras) should be packed into your carry on-bag!
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Seat Reservation
Posted by Toniadi on 02/01/2010
Last August 26, 2009, I made reservations and purchased three tickets through Priceline for my grandson, daughter, and me for a trip to Washington DC in March of 2010. This is a special event, for my grandson was selected to represent his school at a national leadership conference. My daughter and I were going to enjoy DC together while my grandson spent the week at the conference, and then have a day together before we returned to Seattle. At the time of the reservation I thought I had made seat reservations, row 16 D, E and F. When I checked our reservation on January 21, 2010, the seats had been changed to Row 28, D, E, and F. Today, February 1, 2010, The seats had been changed to a seat for my daughter in 28E; no seats were listed for my grandson or for me. I checked the seating chart; no seats together were available. I called Alaska and was told that because I had used Priceline I was not guaranteed the seating I had initially selected. A seat for my grandson then was assigned then next to his mother, but I was seated separately.
I object to this treatment for three reasons:
1. I booked through Priceline because Priceline and Alaska have made a public advertisement stating the advantages of their booking connection.
2. At no time was I advised that the seats were not available because I used Priceline to book the fares. If treatment is different through Priceline then the public needs to be so advised.
3. The seats were booked together; we should be seated together.
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Posted by MDSasquatch on 2010-02-01:
maybe you should have called Alaska Airlines instead of going through a 3rd party for your reservations. I think the airline's priorities are going to be with the customers who pay a wee bit more, but make direct reservations.

When you buy scraps, you usually have to make some concessions.

For what it's worth -- when you are in DC, avoid all of the food vendors and have your lunches in the basement of the Ronald Reagan Building. It just off Constitution on the back side of the Natural History Museum (google it before you go). Their food court is very good and the prices are reasonable.
Posted by dan gordon on 2010-02-01:
I know of no known joint advertising between Priceline and Alaska in fact the opposite is true. Alaska advertises a low price guarantee when booking on Alaskas site. You could have immediately gone to Alaskas website put in your frequent flyer # and checked your seat assignments. Its more likely that they changed equipt since you booked vs them punishing you for booking on priceline.
Posted by Ben There on 2010-02-01:
No airline will guarantee seat assignments regardless of how you book. If they need to move you for any reason they will.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2010-02-01:
The only "advantage" of booking with a third party is to attempt to get the cheapest price. I just can't understand why someone would not book with the business that they are dealing with ie hotel, airlines etc, direct. The 3rd party has to make money somehow, be it at the bookers expense or the airlines, hotel etc..expense....Guess who is going to win?
Posted by Gromit on 2010-07-08:
By buying through Priceline, you didn't buy it from Alaska. Therefor you are not Alaska's customer, just their passenger. Any problems have to be solved by Priceline (or Travelocity, Orbitz, etc), and there's the problem with buying your tickets through a third party.
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Price Gauging in Alaska Markets
Posted by Lmom45 on 01/05/2010
I feel it is warranted to investigate Alaska Airlines for price gauging their Alaska markets. Fares on flights in and out of Alaska continue to go up in-proportionately to fares in the lower 48. One might say that because they basically have a captive market in Alaska with very little competition, these higher fares might be based on supply and demand. However, since Alaska Airlines has also made decisions to cut back on flights in and out of the Anchorage (specifically) market, it seems like the airline is "creating" a higher demand and thus creating reason for higher fares. High peak travel periods in and out of the state of Alaska include Thanksgiving, Christmas, Spring break, major holidays and the end of October and March (due to school conference breaks). This November I found it impossible to get a fare to anywhere in the lower 48 for under $1000. Flights are continuously oversold and passengers are offered very little consolation for the inconvenience of being bumped. Recent policy changes award $250 credit for a bump ticket and yet an Alaskan resident cannot fly out of the state for anything close to that. The latest policy changes include changes to the award plan with regards to using mileage towards a 1/2 price ticket. The new policy reads "Beginning February 1, 2010: Money & Miles Award
Starting at 10,000 Miles One Way and 20,000 Miles Round Trip. Valid on itineraries with flights operated only by Alaska Airlines and Horizon Air. Receive up to a 50% discount on most fares. Maximum discount is $200 (USD) off of the base fare for 20,000 Miles and $100 (USD) off of the base fare for 10,000 Miles. You earn 100% of the miles flown when traveling on this award. Complimentary upgrades not allowed." These awards state that they are to be used to receive discounts up to 50% off "most" fares and yet the maximum discount has been again lowered. There is no where we can go where a $200 discount is equal to anything close to a 50% discount.

And all the while Alaska Airlines continues to increase rates and cut flights to Alaska markets, they also continue to expand their service and offer more flights to lower 48 cities and deeply discount those lower 48 fares.

In conclusion, I think it is more than fair to scrutinize these business practices as it has become apparent to Alaskans that we are being price gauged so that Alaska Airlines can broaden their wings of discount services outside of Alaska. A more fair business practice would be to add flights where the market demand is highest. We already pay some of the highest travel expenses in the nation, they could at least show some appreciation for our business by not raping us.
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Posted by Anonymous on 2010-01-05:
Alaska Airlines isn't "gauging" you, there simply is little demand for air service in Alaska - Alaska and other airlines would offer more service if there was a robust market.
Alaska residents receive the bulk of of E.A.S (Essential Air Service) subsidy from the Federal government, so you currently are getting discounted tickets thanks to the lower 48 residents.
New seasonal ANC-PHL service from US Airways may help in '10
Expect a cash strapped govt to claw back many subsidies in '11, tix prices to reflect.
Posted by lmom45 on 2010-01-19:
To clarify, my comments are specifically referring to the cost of airfare out of Anchorage to the lower 48 states (which start by flying through Seattle-most often, Portland, Chicago or L.A.). I can understand the high airfares for travel WITHIN Alaska, as there is lower demand and higher costs for infrastructure.

The demand for travel from/to Alaska is very high. We are a captured customer here. The only way for us to travel is by air to the Lower 48. EVERY flight in/out of Anchorage is full and most are overbooked. The Anchorage market is most certainly robust!

And more to the point, with most flights overbooked, why is Alaska Air cutting flights in and out of Anchorage to the lower 48? I would argue that they are driving the prices higher by cutting flights. How can anyone justify a 3 1/2 hour flight to Portland costing $1100.00??? In what other market does a full flight get those kinds of fares?

Lastly, this makes it affordable for Alaska Airlines to LOSE all kinds of money as it offers deeply discounted fares within cities in the lower 48. They continue to expand into highly competitive markets in the lower 48 with low costs at the expense of their profit center here in Alaska.

I'm all for capitalism, but fare pricing should still be demanded. The airline that boasts our state name, is also the one which is putting the screws to us. Look at their frequent flier plan. It completely discriminates against Alaskan customers. Their 15,000 mile award is for a 50% discount off airfare in most markets, but has a $200 limitation. There is nowhere you can fly out of Anchorage for less than $650 super saver fare. They also changes to a multi level reward system which now strictly limits the number of FF saver award seats. Most time and entire family cannot fly at saver award miles because there aren't enough allocated seats on one flight. This forces you into a higher tier award.

My favorite new policy is their "bump" passenger compensation policy. With flights oversold between Anchorage and Seattle, the likelihood of not getting there has greatly increased. And yet, the newest policy is to compensate to a maximum of $250 if you are bumped off your flight and zero hotel compensation is rewarded. No one in their right mind would vacate their seat voluntarily anymore when traveling to/from Anchorage because the compensation is far less than the cost of the original ticket and it doesn't afford the traveler even a 50% discount off future travel. Plus, since so many of us fly red eye flights (because they are the least expensive), this increases the probability of having to overnight when bumped from a flight. There is no recourse even if you had purchased a fill fare ticket. It's crazy! Yet, if you are bumped off a $78 flight from SEA to PDX, the very same compensation is offered.

Lastly, while I am not suggesting in any way that Federal government subsidy be increased in this market, I am rather insulted at the reply that it is at the expense of the lower 48 taxpayers. Last I heard, Alaskans pay taxes in the same tax bracket as the rest of the U.S. and there are at least 3 other states with a lower taxable population.

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Rude gate Agents in Helena, MT.
Posted by Travealot on 01/02/2010
HELEBA, MONTANTA -- I try to avoid Alaska, sometimes at considerable cost, just to avoid the unsupervised and rude gate agents in Helena, MT.
Tonight I had the opportunity to just observe a Horizon gate agent while I waited for my Delta flight. It was amazing. One passenger after another, treated rudely and rushed. I have experienced many rude and unhelpful Horizon agents in Helena, and this one was no different. Just a little extra "care less" attitude.
Alaska, ARE YOU LISTENING?...This can be fixed you know.
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Posted by Anonymous on 2010-01-02:
It is an airport. I am sure it is rushed trying to get people on their flights. Why don't you get a job there then come back and let's see how you feel then.
Posted by Buddy01 on 2010-01-02:
I just read a very similar but better worded complaint on another site. If that was you, I would recommend following their advice. It was good.
Posted by madconsumer on 2010-01-02:
this is second hand information. perhaps the airline customers had zero issues with the agents!
Posted by Anonymous on 2010-01-02:
"Treated rudely and rushed" is your conclusion from what you observed. Perhaps you may share with us what exactly you did observe so we can form our own views if your conclusion is justified. How far away were you? What did you see? What did you hear?
Posted by Anonymous on 2010-01-02:
Alley, I am not saying agents should be rude. However, from experience we all know that when a customer is told NO, they always come here complaining that someone was rude to them.

Therefore, I give no credence to the complaint as there are no details. I have been in many a airport and they are all the same: people busy getting on flights and agents busy getting them there.
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Alaska Airlines Pillages On Fees-No Flexibility
Posted by Sshira79 on 06/05/2009
My boyfriend and I are going on our first cruise this September, and are on a pretty tight budget, we booked the tickets after getting some literature from the travel agency. We were excited as we had heard good things about them. Yesterday I got my confirmation from the cruise line and was disappointed to find that we had booked the flight one week off!! I immediately looked up prices and was happy to see only a 40$ difference, so I then called, I talked to a nice lady who told me about the 100$ per person change fee and after asking if there was anything she could do, she transferred me to Steve from Phoenix her supervisor. He was very cold and unfriendly; he continued to quote policy and refused after me practically begging for a break to do anything. So we are writing a letter in hopes of finding someone with a heart. If we don’t get resolution we plan on abandoning our flight and booking with Virgin as we have had great experiences with them and the total for the flight through them is 270$ and to change my ticket with Alaska would cost 230$!!

I refuse to give them anymore money until they respond with a more customer service style attitude! Apparently Steve does not subscribe to this thought pattern....if anyone else has had luck in this situation let me know!

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Posted by yoke on 2009-06-05:
How is Virgin going to save you money? You will still be out the money for Alaska and you would save $30 by changing your flight.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-06-05:
Change fees are industry standard. Steve's "style" is what you have to expect in this industry.
You may want to think very carefully about picking Virgin. No reciprocity with other carriers...you fly on them alone, they cancel you are waiting and potentially miss your cruise.
Posted by Crown Jules on 2009-06-05:
You need to understand that Steve and others in his position probably hear dozens of sob stories every single day from people who think that if they are persistent enough an exception will be made just for them. If they give in for one person, though, where do they draw the line? You made the mistake in booking the wrong dates for your flight, you really need to suck it up and treat this as a learning experience.
Posted by saj80 on 2009-06-06:
Who booked your cruise? You stated that it was reserved after receiving information from a travel agent; if so, why not let the travel agent handle all of the details?
Posted by Ben There on 2009-06-07:
Not breaking company policy does not equal the same thing as rude. Most airlines charge $150 instead of $40.
Posted by dryheat9 on 2011-06-05:
I had a similar experience when transferring a credit on Alaskan Airways to someone else. The charge was $100. Don't tell me that this relates to their cost - any excuse to catch the customer becomes a profit opportunity.
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Alaska Airlines is the Best
Posted by DouglasC on 05/19/2009
I book flights across the US on a regular basis, and when I do, I try to book with Alaska Airlines. Their web booking is perfect, with no problems. When you talk with customer service you are talking with a nice polite person who will always do whatever they can to help.
The flight attendants are wonderful, real people who do a great job.
For 2009, I have made Gold Status with Alaska Airlines and I will continue booking flights with this company.
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Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-19:
I've always heard the Alaska Air is a great airline. Guess I should have taken that job they offered me last year.
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Noise & Air Pollution
Posted by Jonluxury on 04/26/2009
EAST WENATCHEE, WASHINGTON -- Horizon Airlines flies several flights per day right over our East Wenatchee, Washington Fancher Heights neighborhood. It would be easy for them to avoid our area as they fly into Pangborn Airport in East Wenatchee - but no - they insist of flying directly over us with their:

1. high level of noise pollution
2. high level of air pollution
3. ice falling from the planes in winter
4. a possible crash in homes rather than open space
5. parts falling from the planes on homes
6. insistence on being a poor neighbor to the East Wenatchee area

Please select some other airline - Alaska is NOT a good/fair/safe neighbor - thanks.
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Posted by Anonymous on 2009-04-26:
I have no experience or expertise in the travel industry but i'm almost certain that the route airplanes take are determined by FAA personnel, aka air traffic controllers. Your complaint against the airline is ridiculous. That's just an inconvenience of living near an airport.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-04-26:
Were they flying over your neighbourhood before you moved in? Live near an airport and airplanes are going to fly over your house. One of the questions to ask when you buy a house.
Posted by BokiBean on 2009-04-26:
We're not supposed to use this airline because they are flying over your house?
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-04-26:
Hmmmmmmm, imagine that, Pangborn Airport has been in operation since 1941!!!! Who would have thought that this would be a slight inconvenience to the community that it serves?
Posted by Ben There on 2009-04-26:
Why did you build or buy a house by the airport? I hope you realize that all commercial airplanes make noises...
Posted by jonluxury on 2009-04-26:
Thanks for the feedback. We are NOT near the airport in our small & narrow Fancher Heights location - we are 5 miles away - so yes we are saying it is unprofessional/unsfafe that Horizon insists on flying low over us when they have open space alternate routes all around us.

We are at a higher elevation than Pangborn so the Seattle to East Wenatchee 6 flights a day are the major impact. Seems to be the landings that fly right over Fancher Blvd.

This was an issue in Albuquerque when I lived in the foothills there - the flights liked to take off over us for the updrafts - but the city put a stop to it after we contacted the mayor. There are plenty of alternate routes - so yes Horizon can do the right thing & consider people/homes first.

Too bad if Horizon cuts more business in this downturn - they had to cut a flight already from our locale.
Posted by jonluxury on 2009-04-26:
Is that how some of you roll - just let the corporate world roll over you - airlines, banks, bailouts, whatever - just take it?
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-04-26:
Horizon is flying the Q, about the quietest a/c around. If the loads improve you'll see the CR7, a lot louder, as this is a non EAS flight you may see more carriers jump in.
Doubt any mayor has a say... I mean Bloomberg can't stop flts going over some pretty high rent districts in NY. This is a Fed issue.
5 miles is final, gear is down by then. I'm speaking as a licensed pilot.
Birds and gliders care about updrafts, not 121 a/c so not sure what you are talking about.
The FAA determines flt paths, not the carrier. Your only hope is a noise abatement exception but it sounds like this is an approach path with ILS installed in '06 so that isn't going to happen.

Posted by Anonymous on 2009-04-26:
It would be impossible for planes to ONLY fly over open space. This complaint is ridiculous and I suggest you get a hobby.
Posted by Ben There on 2009-04-26:
The airline does not pick the route and altitude. This is all given to them by the air traffic controllers. Even if they hit a bad patch of weather they have to get the OK to change altitudes.
Posted by madconsumer on 2009-04-26:
Posted by BokiBean on 2009-04-26:
Nice post, VF. 4/2/09 Horizon announced they would be cutting existing flights from your airport.

"Instead of offering four flights in and out of Pangborn to Seattle, the airline will offer three starting May 17."

That should significantly decrease the impact.

Posted by Anonymous on 2009-04-27:
I have a couple quick snipets about living close to an airport....
First one was the airport manager in one of the city's I worked at was constantly taking complaints about the noise. He would have the complaintant come into his office and look at a picture taken of the airport when it was brand new and have the person please show him their home. It was hard to do when there was nothing around the airport but open space.

Same city, I took a phone call one time from a person who apparently owned a home close to the airport. He told me, a ticket agent, that the airplanes are landing too low. Didn't really know how to respond to that one.
Posted by BokiBean on 2009-04-27:
hahaha@landing too low!!!!!
Posted by jonluxury on 2009-04-27:
Thanks for the feedback except for the deadbeats. Horizon could easily fly in from the North 1/2 mile & it would make all the difference - they then are over wheat fields & government open space. Chelan county here is 88% government land - so plenty of non home areas to navigate over.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2009-04-27:
VF, correct me if I am wrong, but didn't FedEx have a hand in the development of "quiet" engines? It was because of the odd hours they are taking off and landing.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-04-27:
jktshff1, you are sort of correct in that "hush kits" were built to address this need. Interestingly in this business when an a/c gets to be a tired worn out POS they just call it a "classic" ie. USAir doesn't still have older 737's (300,400)they have 737 classics.
Cargo carriers use a ton of old glue horse a/c, 727 etc and they use hush kits on them - getting around noise abatement.
Posted by Ben There on 2009-04-27:
I think if the population of the city wants commercial service to move from one airport to the next, they should be prepared to pay for the move with tax payers money.
Posted by Slimjim on 2009-04-27:
I'm sorry, but who is going to make the decision not to fly this airline because someone on the net, who moved to a home by an airport, is complaining of air traffic noise.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2009-04-27:
thanks vf
Posted by Starlord on 2009-04-27:
Flying into Sky Harbor, in Phoenix is a real experience at night, the lights of the city are impressive. The entire final approach is over homes, usinesses, schools and more. I dont remember hearing about any crashes on approach to Sky Harbor or pieces of planes falling on anyone. I was a deputy sheriff in Pinal County, between Phoenix and Tucson, and had to listen for almost an hour one evening as a snowbird who had his RV in a park near a truckstop complaining about the noise from the semis. I told him the truckstop was there long before the RV park, and he would leaving in a week or so, to bear with it.
Posted by PepperElf on 2009-04-27:
VF - awesome replies!

Though I suspect the OP still thinks it's easy for the carrier to ignore FCC regulated flight paths...

Though... This is nothing, back when I was very young it was legal for jets to break the sound barrier over houses.

(still I <3 jet noise!)
Posted by jonluxury on 2009-04-27:
We are aided by a US representative & the 3 landing flights coming over have been swinging around us 3/8 of a mile N or S - which makes all the difference. "FCC regulated flight paths" don't exist in tiny metro areas.

Interesting that 75% of low IQ comments above are in support unwittingly of noise, pollution & lack of safety even if the situation could be corrected. The Pangborn area is rural with 50,000 population only in the greater area - all of Douglas County where Pangborn is - is 37,000 - so open space abounds. Maybe the noise & air pollution load of commenters here has shrunk their brains and other body parts into contentious oblivion? :>)

Posted by PepperElf on 2009-04-27:
Even more interesting that you've decided people who disagree with you have low IQs.

Yet, you conveniently ignore the statements that the local airlines cannot change FCC established flight plans.

But eh... I must have a low IQ for knowing this *grin*
Posted by BokiBean on 2009-04-27:
Well, you gotta take it with a grain of salt...he also stated that there were six flights in a day...
Posted by Ben There on 2009-04-27:
One might question the IQ of someone who purchased a home near an airport that was built in the 1940's to then wonder why planes are loud...
Posted by jonluxury on 2009-04-28:
A fest of low IQ malcontents - love the quiet in our luxury homes!

6 flights - 3 landings were the issue as before - must review for the grammar challenged. :>) Have fun & stay healthful.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-04-28:
I just took 2 different IQ tests. I'm no genius, I'll admit. 112 and 125. I'd say I'm about average or if I'm really to believe that 125, then I'm almost knockin' on the door of MENSA.
Posted by BokiBean on 2009-04-28:
Lest we forget: "..so the Seattle to East Wenatchee 6 flights a day...". That's six landings, jonlusxury. It had nothing to do with grammar, it was the way you wrote it. And since we're picking nits, it never WAS 6, it was four, and it has now been reduced to 3. Thanks for playing, Don Pardue.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-04-28:
It's always best not to confront a single-minded zealot with facts or logic. The post is the epitome of "Not in my back yard" thinking. The OP is 'too important' and/or 'too smart' to have aircraft fly over his house. "Let the aircraft fly over farmers and poor people." More wine, yer majesty?
Posted by BokiBean on 2009-04-28:
Exactly, Doc!!!!!!
Posted by old fart on 2009-04-28:
Not "more wine"... It's "more whine"....
Posted by BokiBean on 2009-04-28:
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