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Want Cabin Creek Pull-On Pants Back
Posted by SelectiveConsumer on 01/26/2012
CABIN CREEK PULL0ON PANTS are the best pants ever! I buy them for my 100% disabled daughter who cannot zip zippers or button closure snaps. They also fit well over her leg braces and are comfortable to sit in and don't get caught in her wheel chair. I have purchased these pants exclusively for the past 25 years. I have purchased HUNDREDS of pairs! I have tried JCPenneys' Alfred Dunner, which seems to be what Penneys wants to dump on us now, to replace our CABIN CREEK pants with. However, Alfred Dunner pants are inconsistent both in size and quality of material and workmanship. Alfred Dunner cannot compare to these Cabin Creek twill or denim pants and shorts. I will NEVER purchase a pair of Alfred Dunner pull-up pants for my daughter instead of CABIN CREEK!!! PENNEYS have you lost your minds and your BUSINESS SENSE????? If all your customers are screaming for these pants and the CABIN CREEK brand, then please bring them back. These Cabin Creek pants are the very last and ONLY THING that would drag me into a JCPenneys store where there is no customer service and a high stress purchasing environment. Furthermore, I also consider the elimination of this CABIN CREEK WOMENS/MISSES TWILL AND DENIM PANTS to be an attack on people with disabilities everywhere. PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES NEED CLOTHES TOO! Not everyone can do up a zipper or buttons. People who use wheelchairs and have various other disabilities REQUIRE PULL-ON PANTS. And WHY do they even need to have one million different pairs of pants in the same other styles with zippers and buttons? They just end up clearancing them out at the end of the season because NOBODY WANTS THEM!!!! PENNEYS if you are reading this column then PLEASE BRING BACK OUR CABIN CREEK PULL-UP ELASTIC WAIST PANTS. WE WANT THEM AND WE NEED THEM FOREVER AND EVER FOR THE REST OF OUR LIVES. DO NOT DISCONTINUE CABIN CREEK PULL-ON ELASTIC WAIST PANTS! THESE WERE THE ONLY PANTS ON EARTH THAT I COULD EVER FIND FOR MY DAUGHTER. I always know that these CABIN CREEK PULL-ON PANTS WITH ELASTIC WAIST fit PERFECTLY and I could order them online without a worry of size. They can dress up or dress down. They always look great. They wear fantastically. I throw them in the washer and dryer and they come out perfectly every time. You can wear them to church or wear to the park. they are very versatile and very FABULOUS PANTS. I predict that if JCPenneys cancels these it will be the store's demise. There are a lot of us out here who will ONLY buy the Cabin Creek pull-on pants. After they canceled my drapes I never walkied into the store again but only ordered Cabin Creek pants on line. Now, I won't ever bother even going to their website if they do not bring back these pants. I was hoping that Penneys was simply changing over from fall colors to all those nice CABIN CREEK PANTS colors that they have each springtime. Let us all hope that is the case and that Penneys will listen to us. WE WANT OUR CABIN CREEK PANTS BACK PENNYS!!!
     
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Posted by Venice09 on 2012-01-26:
I think you might have a better chance of JCPenney listening to you if you leave out the part about attacking people with disabilities.

Here are some other places you can buy Cabin Creek pants:

http://www.ebay.com/fashion/womens-clothing/Pants/Cabin-Creek/63863

http://www.smarter.com/se--qq-cabin%2Bcreek%2Btwill%2Bpants.html

I hope you find what you're looking for!
Posted by Anonymous on 2012-01-26:
"...I predict that if JCPenneys cancels these it will be the store's demise..." Umm, department stores as a business model are dated. Not carrying of a particular pants... not so much.
I believe most mobility stores carry clothes suited for persons with such needs, it may be a place to look.
Posted by An apple a day. on 2012-01-26:
Have you tried Kmart? They have the exact same pants under a different brand name. I think they are manufactured in the same manufacturing plant, might want to take a look.

But I wouldn't go off on Alfred Dunner like that if I were you. Because, I'm wearing a pair right now, I love them and lots of women love the lighter weight denim fabric.
Posted by Mary on 2012-01-29:
I see Lands' End has some similar items to Cabin Creek regarding blouses.
Posted by Cassie4 on 2012-05-26:
I'm siding with the woman who wants JCP to keep their Cabin Creek line of slacks, but for a different reason. Most of my life, I was very tall and skinny. Sadly, I'm now very tall and a bit overweight....sigh. Cabin Creek slacks were the only ones I could count on to fit - both my height and my weight. I will definitely miss them!
Posted by Debbie on 2012-06-06:
I have worn Cabin Creek Pants for the past 36 years. I just went to buy another pair of jeans since I have worn mine out. I had purchased a pair this past winter and I get a hole in the pair I would wear to work every Friday. These are the only pair of pants that will fit my knee's. I know that sounds silly but I just spent time at JC Penneys and could NOT find a pair of pants or jeans that will fit my knees that are not to long or to loose in the waist. I think they are all skinny pants now or something.
Posted by Judy on 2012-06-09:
I really like the Cabin Creek pants as they are a great fit. I am very short and they were always a perfect length. The store in my area is very short handed and to make matters worst they have let all of the managers go. I feel the need to say "Wake up CEO your customers are getting very angry!!!!
Posted by Sandra on 2012-06-23:
Please bring back Cabin Creek jeans..I love them, they fit, are affordable and look nice. JCP....Please? Thank you.
Posted by Linda on 2012-07-07:
Oh no! This are the only jeans shorts that my daughter wears, she has been wearing them for years and I buy her 5 at a time! I am devastated to hear they are being discontinued WHY??? Please bring them back!
Posted by Sue Bentz on 2012-07-13:
I am also very disappointed that JC Penney has discontinued cabin creek pull on jeans. I am petite and they always fit perfectly. Please bring them back!!
Posted by charlene on 2012-07-14:
I have gotten many pairs of cabin creek pants from jcpennys,I use these for work and going anywhere they always fit nice and look good please bring them back. they are the only one to fit me as i am very short.
Posted by Flo on 2012-07-15:
those was the best pant ever i hope that they will bring them back
Posted by Gilly on 2012-07-27:
Love Cabin Creek pants. Have worn them for a long, long time. Please bring them back. They are the only pants that fit me well and wash up so nicely. Thank you.
Posted by Judy on 2012-08-03:
I searched for years for jeans that fit my petite frame and FINALLY found Cabin Creek at Penny's. Now they're gone. SO sad!! :(
Posted by Frustrated on 2012-08-07:
The pants at K Mart are NOT the same as Cabin Creek. It is frustrating to find something that fits really well and then just have it pulled away. I have tried several sites that claim to sell the Cabin Creek and it is simply a runaround to other sites and then finally back to Penneys' site.
Posted by Janice on 2012-08-26:
Why in the world would you discontinue carrying the Cabin Creek Pull-On pants for women? I have bought these comfortable, easy care for pants for years. Plesae honor the request of your many women customers and bring these pants back to all of your JCP stores.
Posted by Cabin Creek-er on 2012-08-27:
I, too, am disappointed to discover the discontinuation. They stood up through untold washings. I am a size 12 regular and I cannot find them anywhere.
Posted by Marlene Dillon on 2012-09-15:
Cabin creek knit pants are the greatest, and sooo many people want them back, including me. I just had back surgery and need knit pants and have scanned the Internet looking for some. I was not aware you were going to discontinue
these pants or I would have ordered several pair before discontinuation. Please bring them back!!!
Posted by Melinda on 2012-09-18:
I totally agree that JCP decision to stop carrying Cabin Creek Pull On Pants will hurt their revenue! I will not buy from them? I went there for those pants and bought shirts, accessories that went with the pants while I was there. Now, no pants, no sales! Bye Bye JCP..not sure what you were thinking! Why lose the customers that you have by discontinuing one of your best brands! Women, real women, need pants! We used to buy them from you..now never again! Bring them back! PLEASE! Wonder what marketing genius decided to drop them? Great job, LOL!
Posted by Elaine on 2012-09-23:
Tried to find Cabin Creek pants at JCP...sooo disappointing! Wear them to work every day. Fit well and easy care. Actually lost a little weight and wanted a smaller size. Found NOTHING at JCP. Tried Alfred Dunner on...horrible fit. Guess I won't be shopping at JCP anymore. Cabin Creek pants were the main reason I went there.
Posted by Chris on 2012-09-24:
Concur! JCP is studpied for not carry the Cabin Creek products, especially the pants. They are going through a reoganizations, regroup, and evidently the idots, that are revamping the clothings line, thinks there doing better, and trying to be more upscale by dropping this Cabin Creek. Whoever is doing JCP buying doesn't know what they are doing. Even the web page is bad for ordering... What gives. They sic, JCP will probably go under if this is what new business reorganization is doing. What happend to JCP tradition! Last time I was in the store just a few wks ago, it was awful. Not better.
Posted by Deems Adkins on 2012-10-02:
I love those pants! I am sure JCP could not care less, but I will now shop elsewherel
Posted by oldsaddlebag on 2012-10-11:
I absolutely agree about the Cabin Creek pants ! I love them in corduroy and all other fabrics and have bought them for yrs. JCP I won't even go in your store anymore. I don't even like your new ads with a few stupid pictures in them. Your CEO should be fired! Bring back the old JCP, it was a good store.
Posted by Carla on 2012-10-17:
Well I have to agree, went to Penney's to buy Cabin Creek Pants. No longer carrying them, took over with Alfred Dunner. These do not fit or have the fabric as Cabin Creek. Have looked on line and can't find any my size. Please consider to bring them back!
Posted by Lynn on 2012-10-26:
My complaint is the discontinuing of the Cabin Creek shirts for women. Who ever made the decision to drop Cabin Creek should be fired. I was there yesterday and was told many women were now buying shirts in the men's department. Was told Penney's had also dropped Gloria Vanderbilt jeans. Are the people in the executive making department crazy? One thing for sure Penney's has lost my business. Cabin Creek was the best brand out there, and I never had to try on any of their items, because the sizing was always consistent. I hope one day they will wake up and realize they have made a bad decision, and will bring Cabin Creek back for all of us. In the meantime, I will be shopping anywhere but Penneys.
Posted by Anne on 2012-10-28:
I have for years bought Cabin Creek pull on jeans. My husband wore Big Mac overalls to work for many years. Now JCP has discontinued both of these products. So I have discontinued JCP.
Posted by Barb on 2012-11-01:
I totally agree that jcpenney made a BIG mistake with not carrying cabin creek pull on pants. I also have a daughter with disabilities who cannot zip or button but can pull up. And have bought ALL her pants from jcp cabin creek for the last 15 years. They still looked fashionable for special needs teenagers and young girls and the pettites fit PERFECTLY. I know of alot of parents that bought cabin creek pants for there special needs daughters and JCP you have lost alot of business from our population of special needs women and young ladies. WHAT A MISTAKE!! That was one item that brought me to your store and when I went there today to purchase more pants and shirts from cabin creek I was VERY DISAPPOINTED! Now what!!! Thanks alot jcp ceo bad move.
Posted by Kay on 2012-11-10:
I, too, want Cabin Creek pants back. I love them.
Posted by Angela on 2012-11-11:
I hope JCP will bring back Cabin Creek pull-on pants. I wear a tall size, and it is SO hard to find comfortable pants which also wash and wear well. I stopped shopping at JCP because they unwisely discontinued many Big and Tall Men's items, and now I have no reason at all to shop for women's clothing. And, by the way, your new glossy "catalog" is a complete waste of paper. PLEASE BRING BACK THE OLD JCP!
Posted by Marie Bergstrom on 2012-11-12:
I am so dissapointed that I am now unable to purchase cabin creek twill slacks. I so need a brown pair. I have all the other colors and wear them very often. Not sure where to go now. JC Penny made a colossil mistake when they dropped the cabin creek line........
Posted by Yolanda Perchcomb on 2012-11-26:
I have always loved Penneys. But they have lost my business now that they have discontinued Cabin Creek clothing. And I know I am not the only one. I had lunch with a group of my cousin's friends, including a woman from England. The big topic of conversation was Penneys. The English woman comes over every year and always shopped at Penneys, and was horrified when she went there this visit. We all agreed with her and none of us shop there anymore. All of us are over 50 and long-time Penneys shoppers.
Posted by Diane Bowden on 2012-12-03:
I really like the Cabin Creek pants as they are a great fit. I am short and they were always a perfect length. The store in my area is very short handed and to make matters worst they have let all of the managers go. I feel the need to say "Wake up CEO your customers are getting very angry!!!!
I hope JCP will bring back Cabin Creek pull-on pants.
Posted by Jeri on 2012-12-05:
Please bring back the Cabin Creek pull-on pants. I bought them for years and cannot find any other pants that I like to replace them. I am 59 years old and wear these pants every day of my life.
Posted by Carline on 2012-12-13:
I to am disappointed. They are durable but they can be worn any place why have you done this JCPennys? I really like the blouses too.
Posted by Carol on 2012-12-15:
Cannot believe they'd stop offering this very popular brand. Please bring them back!
Posted by Robyn on 2012-12-29:
I am also SO disappointed with JC Penney. Growing up my whole family always shopped at JCP. Such a nice store. Conversation this Christmas was how we were all so disappointed in the "new" store. When shopping at the store it feels so cold and stark. Not the warm "family" feeling that it used to be. PLEASE bring back the Cabin Creek jeans. I am also blessed with a disabled daughter and have purchased her jeans at JCP the last 26 years. Thank you.
Posted by Irene on 2012-12-29:
I was in JCP this past week and swore never to go back. I will miss the Cabin Creek jeans
Posted by Stephanie on 2012-12-31:
Boo, JCP! I am caring for my mom who has Alzeimer's, which means I dress her every day. She has worn the Cabin Creek pull-on corduroy pants from fall through winter. They look nice for casual attire, are comfortable for her and easy for me! I was hoping to find more pairs to replace the ones that are wearing out, but it looks like I won't be able to!!! Does anyone know anywhere else I may be able to find them? Were they exclusive to Penney's?
Posted by jane on 2012-12-31:
I love cabin creek corduroy pull on pants..Just wish jc penney would handle them again..
They are the most comfortable pants for my build I have ever had....
Posted by Donna on 2013-01-14:
I am from canada. Always went to Jc Penny for cabin creek jeans plus I purchased other items when in the store. If I can't buy the jeans I don't have the same interest in shopping there. I can get tops etc in Canada and don't need JC Penny. I don't like online shopping. I like to go to the store. Sorry, but its your loss JC.
Posted by Sherry on 2013-01-20:
I made an effort to shop at jcp to support the store in their other depts since I was so pleased to be able to get my work pants and jeans at the same place, supporting the mens, shoes, housewares, jewelry depts, etc., when I found out that they no longer carried my number one purchase (cabin creek pants) I looked around to see if the brand had been replaced with something that i wanted to buy, NO!! I continue to ck online to see if some co will see the potential buyers and will decide to take up the loss and in the meantime I have not spent a dime at jcp and have taken my dollars to other stores and continue to send complaints to jcp. I agree bad choice jcp from a lost customer.
Posted by Karen on 2013-01-23:
My mother also always purchased the Cabin Creek pull on pants. They fit her perfectly. I feel that JCP has tried to change their image for younger people. This is too bad for older women. Even the Worthington collection that my mom would buy has changed to a much younger look... for younger, slim women. TOO BAD for pennys
Posted by Sissy on 2013-01-24:
I look on line regularly to see if Cabin Creek pants are back...and they're not! Sooooo disappointing. Penney's will lose my business as well.
Posted by Toni on 2013-01-25:
Please bring back the cabin creek pants.

Posted by Kathy on 2013-02-02:
I am so lost without my cabin creek clothing. All my work pants are cabin creek as well as my jeans and shorts. I also love those purses with the wallet built in on one side of it. People ask me where I got it and I tell them JC Penny. That is one reason that I shopped at Penny's. I just can not believe they stopped carrying them. . And I do not know why they did.
Posted by Paula on 2013-02-06:
I hope that someone from JCP is monitoring these comments and sees how many customers their decision is impacting. I've worn the Cabin Creek twill pants for work for the last 15 years and am at a loss for what I will find when my current pants wear out. Please bring back this brand!!!
Posted by Harriet on 2013-02-10:
I can't bellieve JCP is no longer carrying Cabin Creek pants. I buy 4-5 long pants and 4-5 capris at a time in different colors/styles. It is time for me to re-order and they are no longer available. I am sick with dissappointment. That's it for me and JCP!














Posted by Jude on 2013-02-11:
I hate JCP without Cabin Creek. They may as well just start selling Wal Mart clothing. Alfred Dunner and all that other crap they sell don't even compare. I don't know what I'll do without Cabin Creek tops. I haven't bought a top ever since the last Cabin Creek top I bought from JCP. I do have enough to last for a while, but after that I don't know what I'll do. Thinking about looking for someone to make me some. As soon as I can find someone who knows how to sew.
Posted by Bonnie on 2013-02-12:
will no longer shop at jcp until cabin creek clothes come back to the store
Posted by Jean on 2013-02-15:
I continue to be upset with JCPenney's regarding the issue of NO Cabin Creek pull on pants. I had bought a good supply but now need another pair of Jeans...I will not shop in that store again.I am so upset. I do not find Alfred Dunner consistent in sizes. I understand JC Penneys has a new CEO coming in.. I hope he will pay attention to these request...WE WANT CABIN CREEK PULL ON PANTS (JEANS AND TWILL) BACK.
Posted by Barb on 2013-02-27:
I, too, am upset about JCP not carrying Cabin Creek pants. They were great and can't understand why a floundering retail business would give up one thing that sells. I have bought every pair on ebay that I could. Please JCP bring them back!!
Posted by teacherrita on 2013-03-05:
I have just found this site and am delighted that others feel the same way that I do about Cabin Creek pants by JCP. I miss then so much ~ please bring them back. Thank you!
Posted by Evelyn on 2013-03-11:
I want to join this unhappy crowd. There are no words to express how upset I am that JCP discontinued the Cabin Creek pants. I've not yet
found a pair of jeans that fit me as good. I'm an older woman and I used to love shopping at JCP, but not anymore.
Posted by Ramona on 2013-03-21:
I am very unhappy that JCP has stopped carrying Cabin Creek pants. They were the best fitting pants that I could wear. Now I have no reason to shop there anymore. Please bring them back!!!
Posted by mnemaus51 on 2013-04-03:
Cabin Creek are the only pants that fit me...all others are disproportioned. I have written to the President of JCP--Ron Johnson. I suggest EVERYONE write to him!
Ron Johnson
Chief Executive Officer
J C Penney
6501 Legacy Dr
Plano, TX 75024-3612
Posted by MKelley on 2013-04-12:
Really not happy withJCP . I miss Cabin Creek pants too, been buying them for years and now that they don't carry them anymore I don't shop there.
Posted by Spril M on 2013-04-14:
For decades I bought durable, great fitting Cabin Creek blouses, pants, and shorts. I also got 90% of all my other clothing at the same time from the same place. I've tried on other brands of clothing in the store, but haven't bought anything from JCP since they stopped carrying my favorite brands. Now they're sending e-mails telling me "We want you back!"
Posted by Pearl B on 2013-04-16:
I have worn cabin creek pull on jeans for many years and am sorely disappointed that just when I was ready to order several more pairs, I discover I cannot even buy them. They are the only jeans that are comfortable and fit me properly. I can see less shopping at JC Penney in my future.
Posted by Linda B. on 2013-04-22:
I have always made sure to be able to have access to JCP all my life and always loved quality,fit and styles offered. When Cabin Creek was discontinued from from lines carried it was worst thing JCP could have done. I HAVE BEEN BUYING THEIR ELASTIC WAIST PANTS YEAR AFTER YEAR FOR MYSELF AND FOR GIFTS SINCE THEIR FIT, STYLE AND DURABILITY HAS BEEN WONDERFUL. As others have said WITHOUT CABIN CREEK you will LOSE A TREMENDOUS # OF CUSTOMERS that till now HAD BEEN VERY LOYAL. Please re-evaluate your decision and BRING CABIN CREEK BACK.
Posted by Cilla C. on 2013-04-24:
I have osteoarthritis and an acute case of fibromyalgea. I can ONLY wear these pants and I am in dire need for some new ones.
Posted by Cheryl M. on 2013-05-02:
Just wanted to add my voice to the terrible decision JCP made to get rid of Cabin Creek pants AND tops. I go into their store and can't find anything I like anymore. Please sell again the cute cotton knit print tops that carried the Cabin Creek brand. Also I really miss Gloria Vanderbilt Amanda jeans. JCP got rid of my favorites and now I seldom buy anything there. I'm so disappointed!
Posted by DebtorBasher on 2013-05-02:
JCPenney realizes they made mistakes after the new CEO was hired. They are trying to get back the customers they've lost due to customer service, advertising and products they discontinued. I have a feeling Cabin Creek will be returning.
Posted by Jeanne K on 2013-05-27:
JC Penny's has made a very serious mistake in discontinuing Cabin Creek pants for women. They're the only pants that fit...I've worn them for many years and cannot find pants that work as well.
Posted by Joy on 2013-06-03:
As you can see by all the comments, "women like Cabin Creek jeans. Why in the world would you discontinue a product that is so popular with so many women? I also love these jeans and think your buyers have lost their minds. When you have something that sells this good, it seems insane to discontinue it. When I was in your store the other day, all I could find was "skinny this and skinny that." Well believe me everybody in the world is not skinny. I just hate this and cannot find any reason to go back to your store. Even the Alfred Dunner did not fit the same in the same size I always wear. I hate this has happened very much. I loved being able to walk in and pick up my jeans and not even try them on. What a shame!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Ruby on 2013-06-07:
PLEASE bring back Cabin Creek Women's pants And Big MAC Men's Work Pants. I brought these for myself and husband for years as both pants made well, good material and perfect fit. I do not understand Penny's change in merchandise to young, hip styles. It was a family store where Everyone could shop from babies to elderly. I have not and will not shop at Penny's until changes are made. Listen to your customers, please!
Posted by Julie on 2013-07-14:
I used to buy Cabin Creek tall pull on twill pants for work and they were the best and fit great but now you don't carry them and I've tried others but they don't compare. please get them back in your store and I will order them again. Need more pants. Please!
Posted by Debbie A on 2013-07-18:
Like so many others I have been wearing cabin creek pants. It took many years to find a pair of pants for tall sz 12 and have them fit consistently. The durability and comfort of all day wear far superior to "any" others pants I've attempted to wear. Please bring them back...the older I get, the more I appreciate what pants I have left and hope they last until the JCPenny ,executives come back to their senses and bring them back. In this economy you need to make money and consumers deserve what they want.
Posted by Joan on 2013-09-07:
I can only add to same comments. LOVE the Cabin Creek pull on knit pants - so comfortable for home and for running errands as well as can wear to work. WHAT has happened at JCP? They have also disc. the little St Johns Bay womens loafer that came in multiple colors. I bought 3 pairs the last time I ordered - if I had known they would be gone forever, I would have stockpiled enough to last my lifetime. Comfy little flat one could wear to work, errands, most anywhere - I have a problem with one foot and those shoes didn't hurt. Another very popular item that the CEO I guess in their penthouse office decided to scrap for whatever STUPID reason. I, too, check on line periodically for the pants and the shoes to no avail thus far. Seems they just HAVE to get rid of the tried and true - new mdse. mgr. trying to prove something? They have done that alright - proved that many loyal customers are no longer that.
Posted by Dee on 2014-03-17:
I agree with you all. Cabin creek was one thing, I shopped for and Vanderbilt jeans. I don't like the store anymore, personally it just isn't the same with the new CEO. They need to get rid of him or her. Get things back to the way it was.
Posted by judithkc on 2014-03-21:
I loved my cabin creek knit pants, cropped pants, and shorts, for casual outings, cleaning, after a day at work, and as I cycled them out for yard work. They were nice looking, comfortable, and handy with pockets and flexibility. They were made from durable material that was soft and held their color well. On top of all that they had co-ordinating tops and you could mix and match. I LOVED THEM AND BOUGHT A TON OF THEM OVER THE YEARS. Please bring them back!
Posted by Beverly Gonzalez on 2014-04-12:
Please bring back the Cabin Creek flat front pants.
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Discontinuing Cabin Creek Clothing
Posted by Candlemop on 02/29/2012
I am very upset that JC Penney is discontinuing the Cabin Creek clothing. I, like many other women I am sure, love their blouses. I think this happened before and they received so many complaints, they brought the line back.

Not all women are young, there are more women my age...62...that enjoy wearing their blouses...not all of us can wear the clingy, blouson type clothes that are on the market nowadays.

Now I have to search both online and in person stores that carry clothes for us "younger" women...I think JC Penney will realize the loss, and it will be their loss.
     
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Posted by diane on 2012-03-03:
I totally agree. I've been trying to find out what company makes cabin creek clothes with no luck.
Posted by mary jennings on 2012-03-20:
I also am very disgruntled that they have discontinued these shirts. I emailed jcpenney and received a "deal-with-it" reply which tells me they don't care about customer dissatisfaction.
Posted by pam on 2012-03-21:
Agree. Have shopped Penneys for yrs. Went yesterday to get Cabin Creek pants and Easy Spirit shoes. Nope. Found shoes at Macy's fyi.
Posted by anov on 2012-04-29:
I love cabin creeks plus size capris--elastic waist band is great for older people. I am looking for the denium ones. Have searched the internet and no luck. Am very dissappointed with the new format of catalogs that Penneys is sending out. Am happy not to be receiving a half dozen card stock discounts things in the mail. Just do it at the store and forget those mailings.
Posted by Louise on 2012-05-16:
I'm so disappointed. I've worn Cabin Creek shirts and pants for several years, and love the fit and comfort, not to mention the durability. I will probably find similiar clothes elsewhere, but they will not compare. I don't think I'll find many things, if any,that I need at Penney's.
Posted by Mary on 2012-06-01:
This was a quality reasonably priced brand. I started wearing Cabin Creek in my mid-thirties and loved it ever since. This is a reason I shop at JCP. I just looked at their June catalog and it is confusing and the "best price" items were out of season merchandise. I also went to JCP a couple of weeks ago and the place look brighter, but their selection is down. I do like Sephora.
Posted by pat on 2012-06-01:
dont go to jcpenney anymore for clothes too trendy
Posted by mane morales on 2012-07-03:
I also disagree that jcpenney discontinue the cabin creek line. I was a very good customer buying cabin creek shoes for many years now I have to look for another store because I think there is no place for us the ones of 62 years old at JCP if I found some store who cares for us I would notify you.
Posted by Annie on 2012-07-26:
Cabin creek fits me well and have worn for years, please don't discontinue. I'm disappointed you would do this. Long time customer.
Posted by Bonnie on 2012-08-17:
will no longer shop at penneys until you bring back the cabin creek line of clothes!!!
Posted by Sharon on 2012-11-23:
I too am very disappointed that JCP has stopped carrying Cabin Creek clothing. In fact I am hugely disappointed in JCP period as many of the brands they used to sell have disappeared. I find I shop there a lot less than in the past. I feel it's their loss and maybe this is why their sales are way down!
Posted by Norma on 2012-11-25:
I agree with most of the ladies here. I am 60 and have a difficult time finding clothes at JCPenney's these days. In the past I purchased most of my clothes from them, but what they carry now is mainly for the younger crowd. Plus the quality is very poor. How disappointing. I was at their store today and didn't buy anything. I wish their management would read these posts and makes changes before they loose more customers.
Posted by barbara on 2012-12-04:
Retired from Penny's several years age. The stores were full of many different lines of apparral to choose from. Now they have cut to the bare bones??? and wonder why sales have bottomed out. Doesn't take a genius to figure that if you discontinue the lines that have kept you on top and just target a narrow trendy market you will be bankrupt in less than a year.
Posted by Sue on 2013-01-21:
Does anyone know where you can get the Cabin Creek canvas tie shoes now that JCP doesn't carry them?
Posted by Judy on 2013-01-29:
I hate JCP without Cabin Creek clothing. I had started wearing only Cabin Creek once I saw them online. I think JCP should consider making their customers happy. We want to wear what we like wearing, not what they want us to wear. I HATE most of their other clothing. We may as well now go to Wal Mart for clothing. Yuck.
Posted by Toni on 2013-02-05:
I am so upset that JCP is not carrying the Cabin Creek brand, especially the jeans. I have been wearing them for years and I hate to sacrifice the comfort. I believe in the long run JCP will regret not carring the brand. It seems that there are many many women that are upset by this decision. You need to let your customers know if there is anywhere else this line may be purchased.
Posted by unhappy in Pittsburgh on 2013-02-06:
Can't believe Cabin Creek shirts are gone. I have most solid colors and continued to buy any new colors when added. Most people complained about the lack of dark colors. Now there are none! I used to buy more items when shopping for new shirts. Now I am gone too. No more Penney's how sad.
Posted by Pat on 2013-02-10:
I will no longer shop jcp now that they droped Cabin Creek Clothes!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Lisa on 2013-03-02:
I used to buy Cabin Creek shirts for work, they were comfortable, durable and fashionable. I enjoyed having a large selection of colors to choose from. I agree that the clothing selection at Penney's has become cheaper in quality. I feel certain that I will shop with Penney's less frequently as if I would find something I liked as much as Cabin Creek it would also be discontinued! Please bring Cabin Creek back!
Posted by P.J. on 2013-03-10:
Disappointed to hear JCP longer carries cabin creek oxford shirts! Myself along with many Cracker Barrel employees ALWAYS bought cabin creek oxford shirts!! i will agree the quality was not as good in the last 4 or 5 years BUT we still bought them!! PLEASE bring them back!
Posted by FB on 2013-03-12:
I love Cabin Creek Women's Denim jeans with the elastic waist. J. C. Penney, please bring them back.
Posted by Sheila on 2013-03-19:
I to always purchased cabin creek shirts for work from J C Penney. They lasted a long time. I am very upset with you J C Penney your sales are down but you take away items people are buying. Shame on you.
Posted by delma on 2013-03-21:
I really like the cabin creek shirts, they are the few that fit me nicely...have not found any to replace them, would sure like to see them come back!
Posted by Ellen on 2013-03-22:
I loved Cabin Creek elastic waist capris. They were well-made, and I still wear several pair that I ordered from their old catalogs about 5 years ago. I would so appreciate seeing Cabin Creek items in the Penneys stores again. Mature shoppers should be considered, too.
Posted by PeggySue on 2013-03-25:
I have worn the Cabin Creek twill pants in Talls for years. I am very disappointed JCP discontinued them. They also discontinued Gold Toe socks in the extended size. I have not bought anything at JCP since the revamping.
Posted by barby on 2013-03-27:
I just recently started wearing the oxford shirts and now I can't get them!!!! What a loss for JC penney,, they will be sorry later, cause obviously they have a large fan base! Come'on Penneys, listen to us!!!!
Posted by Marie on 2013-03-31:
I won't be shopping at JCP any longer. Why did they have to get rid of Cabin Creek items? Nothing much left for me to buy. I'm 62. I certainly see why their sales have fallen flat.
Posted by Isabela on 2013-04-02:
I have been buying the Cabin Creek oxford shirts for so many years! I can safely say that I have more than 10 of these shirts in my closed. I am retired now but I was a teacher and used to use one of these shirts every day of the week and was always complemented for the neatness of the look. It was a routine for me to check every Spring to buy new prints and new sizes because according to my weight gain or loss. So, you can't imagine my dissapointment when, I while ago, I went to JCPenney website to buy some of these shirts in a larger size because I have gained some weight and was sure I could find the perfect size as I've been doing for so many years. :(
Posted by J. Wells on 2013-04-02:
Had I know that Penney was closing out their Cabin Creek shirts that I've worn all of my life I would of bought a 100 of them so I would have them to wear now. As it is mine are all worn out and look like h---. But I still wear them around the house holes and all. I'm thinking of taking one apart and using it as a pattern to make new ones for me. That is just how much I like them. I'm 70 years old and know what I like.
Posted by D.J. on 2013-04-03:
I read the comments, I to liked the CAbin Creek clothing, especially the oxford shirts, they fit me perfectly. Have not been able to find a shirt to replace them. What you have in the store are tops and shirts that are slinky and for the much younger group. I do not feel comfortable in a slinky shirt that clings to me!!! Please bring back those wonderful oxford shirts!!!
Posted by MML on 2013-04-05:
Had I known they were dropping the Cabin Creek shoes particlerly the Alice slip on shoes I would have stocked up. I wonder how many customers they've lost.
Posted by Peg on 2013-04-06:
I, too, have worn Cabin Creek oxford shirts every day for several years. Top quality. Have tried other brands but return them as they DO NOT compare. Please listen to your customers!
Posted by Lou on 2013-04-08:
I can't believe that you would discontinue the Cabin Creek Oxford women's shirts when so many of us loved them and have worn them for years. I hate the clothing that you are trying to make us my age wear and I'm 75. You are catering to the young and forgetting the family store that we all use to find what we wanted. From the looks of your stock, you are just hurting yourself and please bring back the Cabin Creek line including the purses before you lose everything you have gained all these years that I have shopped with you. Please listen to your customers, we need those blouse put back in stock. My credit card is of no use to me now that I can't get Cabin Creek so will probably just cancel it. Thank you for reconsidering our request.
Posted by Karen on 2013-04-08:
I loved Cabin Creek clothing. Is there anyway I can still buy it? I will not shop at JCPEnny's unless they bring this line back. I had every color of blouse they had and would LOVE to buy more. Please bring back this line. Thanks
Posted by Bonnie on 2013-04-08:
A search for Cabin Creek on JCP website says "It's so hard to say goodbye" Not for me! Until and unless JCP brings back Cabin Creek I will shop elsewhere. It really won't matter who is CEO
Posted by KMLP on 2013-04-12:
I just found out today...I went specifically to JCP to purchase several pairs of Cabin Creek Capris to find out they no longer sell the brand. I left the store empty handed and on a search elsewhere. JCP has lost my business until they return the Cabin Creek Brand to the store.
Posted by fhsch on 2013-04-23:
I have worn Cabin Creek clothing for at least 20 years and as a shorter middle aged female but not a tiny size I find it extremely difficult to find nice basic twills, jeans, shirts etc. and Cabin Creek was a great brand for casual/work attire.
Not everyone can wear clingy young styles! Shopping these days has become a big chore because the stores do not maintain the inventory in the stores, either. One of the downsides of the internet revolution.
Posted by Judy on 2013-04-24:
I, too, am so disappointed in JCP for discontinuing Cabin Creek clothing. I don't like the new styles that are out these days. I am a mature, (70 yrs old in 6 days) woman and am not interested in baring my bosom to the world. Hopefully we can find someplace else to buy Cabin Creek from.
Posted by Trel Kay on 2013-05-03:
Please bring back the Cabin Creek Oxfords. I promise I will buy at least 10 of these shirts a year.
Posted by Cindy on 2013-05-03:
It seems like everyone is saying the same thing...no reason to shop at JCP if they are not going to bring back the Cabin Creek line of clothing. Now they have a commercial out apologizing for all of the changes they have made. Ha...the only way they are getting me back is if they bring this line of clothing back. Bad move for them....I use to spend upwards of $200 a month at JCP
Posted by lilhall on 2013-05-03:
I don't sit down at a desk for work..so silk blouses are out...I've been using Cabin Creek shirts for work and home for years...any idea why JCP would give up a sure standard? Strange when they are having money trouble they would give up a item that is used across the country?? No wonder they are so troubled..no common sense
Posted by Joanne de on 2013-05-03:
I agree with all the comments. Olives cabin creek shirts and jeans.
Posted by Joanne on 2013-05-07:
I have worn Cabin Creek denim jeans with the elastic waist for years from JCP. They were always bargain priced making it possible to purchase three or four pair at a time. I couldn't believe they have been discontinued by JCP. I am so disappointed. I absolutely love these jeans and don't know where to buy them now. Guess I will have to find a new brand somewhere else. I have been a JCP customer for years and years. I wonder whose idea it was to discontinue this line. The same lame brain that did away with the coupons I suppose. I, also, do not like those catalogs that come with my newspaper advertising JCP clothes. They feature skinny little women and girls wearing those skinny pants. Let's be realistic, not all women have a figure to wear skinny pants. Please bring back Cabin Creek!!
Posted by Roxie on 2013-05-07:
Surely there is somewhere else that carries Cabin Creek clothes. I loved their capris and shorts!! Does ANYONE out there know????
Posted by Carol on 2013-05-08:
I also wore cabin creek clothing for years - in particular the elastic waist jeans. When JCP dropped these it was very disappointing and I have not been back to shop there since the middle of last year (2012). With the very recent management changes (at the top) I hope that JCP will make production changes and bring back some/all of the Cabin Creek line for all sizes/ages/shapes. I also hope that someone from JCP management/marketing will read this thread! Please consider it a free focus group.
Posted by Carol S on 2013-05-10:
I have Cabin Creek Capri Khakis I love and plenty of the oxford shirts. I also wont shop at JCP any longer unless they bring back that brand. I also looked elsewhere and that brand is nowhere to be found.
Posted by Ann F. on 2013-05-13:
Please bring back the Cabin Creek brand. I am 69 years old and love the oxford cloth shirts and the elastic waist pants. Very comfortable. I haven't shopped at Penney's since the brand was discontinued.
Posted by Kathy D on 2013-05-17:
Well, add me to the number of women who have stopped shopping at JCPenney because they discontinued their line of Cabin Creek clothing. JCPenney was where I always purchased most of my clothing. Cabin Creek was good quality and lasted a long time. I don't know what I'll do now. The Cabin Creek line was comfortable and fit well. I stopped in the store recently and walked out. There just isn't anything there for me. I am now an EX JCPenny customer. The clothes they sell now are just too darned ugly and the store caters to a younger crowd. Bad move JCP!
Posted by Ruth on 2013-05-23:
Hi, just keep posting that we want Cabin Creek clothing and East 5th back. These are great clothes and JCPenney needs to listen to their customers.
Posted by Jerry on 2013-05-23:
I am disgusted with JCP for neglecting the older customers that have hung in there with them for years and years. I'm 80 years old and don't need mini skirts or stuff for sexy teens. Give me some clothes for sexy REAL WOMEN!!!! I want my CABIN CREEK shirts and pants back!!!!!
Posted by Diana on 2013-05-30:
I want Cabin Creek shoes again at Penney's...
Posted by Toni on 2013-05-31:
I, too, and disappointed that JCP stopped carrying the Cabin Creek Oxford shirts. Hopefully JCP will realize their loss and bring this line of clothing back. I agree that when you walk into JCP, their stores are now very trendy and cater only to a very small group of younger women.
Posted by arlene on 2013-05-31:
Have worn cabin creek canvas shoes for years! So sorry penny's have disc. Them! Just discovered the Oxford shirts 3 years ago and loved them. I have 3 and would love more! I'm very dissapointed with J C Penny's. Also found they have really downsized the sleepwear Dept.
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Posted by Shell on 2013-06-01:
Booo! JCP...We obviously want these oxford shirts...especially plus sized...guess you don't care what your customers want.
Posted by Nancy on 2013-06-05:
I have worn the Cabin Creek elastic waist pants for years and am very dissappointed that JC Penny stopped carrying these. A lot of times I would pick up other things when buying my pants there. That's over. No point in going there anymore. JC Penney can go away if they will no longer carry these.
Posted by B J Watts on 2013-06-22:
Penneys Buyers what are you thinking??????? No wonder your going down the drain!!!! Must be a young moron buying that doesn't know durability or style!!!I quit shopping Penneys when they made the weird ugly change!!!
Posted by KM on 2013-06-24:
JCPenney's has written off those of us who have kept it in business. My first purchase at JCP was in 1958. I will live to be over 100. They have lost my business and I encourage everyone I meet to insist on the old ways or let them go packing!
Posted by Rain on 2013-06-29:
I agree with each and everyone. I am 73 yrs. old and , also, have miissed the Cabin Creek shirts And jeans. I love the look of them. I have one pair of the navy jeans left that I have been wearing very sparingly. Also my daughter had a double mastectomy and loved those shirts because they didn't have the pleats on the frount. Would you please bring them back?
Posted by mj on 2013-06-30:
They sure have messed things up , I have shoppped since the 70's and starting wearing the cabin creek brand about 20 years ago maybe longer now no more oh well cc almost paid off because they have nothing I want to buy
Posted by gm on 2013-07-01:
I am disgusted. I loved wearing clothes by Cabin Creek. I always was a customer of JC Penney but not anymore since I cannot find the right clothes they have these days. I wish they would wake up and give people what they want.
Posted by dc on 2013-07-02:
I also am disappointed. Has anyone found Cabin Creek clothing in another store?
Posted by KL on 2013-07-08:
Try Coldwater Creek. They carry some Cabin Creek. I didn't realize until today jc penneys no longer carried Cabin Creek. Just goes to show how well that brand holds up. Bummer, hard to find tall clothing that fits well and is reasonably priced.
Posted by TSC on 2013-07-10:
I agree they need to bring Cabin Creek back. I can't find any other shirts that feel as good as cabin creek.
Posted by ckd on 2013-07-17:
I have been wearing Cabin Creek oxford shirts for 17 years! I am totally upset that JC Penney has discontinued the brand!!! They are comfortable, easy wear, and last through many washings!!! PLEASE!!! bring them back!!!
Posted by nell smith on 2013-07-23:
i have been wearing cabin creek tops for many years. now i need some and cannot find them. please bring them back to j.c. penney.
Posted by Jan Doak on 2013-07-25:
I am so mad at Penny's for discontinuing Cabin Creek. I have bought there clothing for years. Nothing else I can find compares . Who was the dummy who decided to replace quility goods with inferior ones? Fire him or her. I am so done with Penny's after a life long relationship. I am a very angry X customer.
Posted by Jan Doak on 2013-07-25:
J.C. Penny's deserve to go out of business. They have taken a fabulous store that filled many of every customers needs to one that now sucks. I do not even shop at Penny's any longer as there is nothing there I want any longer. What I did buy after the big change is pure China made junk. Being a tall middle age lady I loved Cabin Creek. In all your wisdom you did away with a fabulous brand which obviously many women loved. Can't wait to hear your are closing your doors forever.
Actually close all your stores and just bring back the phone and on line orders with all the old name brands via the good ole catolog. I am sure this would make a whole lot of people across the country very happy. We want our old Penny's back. This new one is just not working and is frankly just plain awful.
Posted by Upset Customer on 2013-07-28:
If Cabin Creek has folded....you'd better find someone willing to manufacture the Oxford shirt. Since it has been discontinued....I have not shopped at JCP and have encouraged my friends to follow suit. When will you listen to the middle aged woman???? We have the money and we spend it. Or NOT.
Posted by Missing Cabin Creek! on 2013-07-28:
I agree with many of the comments left here. Cabin Creek petite oxford shirts and pants are all I needed for dressing for work. I bought many, and they are such good quality that I have a few that are not quite too threadbare to wear - and wear them, I do! I find nothing left at JCP that comes close to the quality, good fit, comfort, and dependability of Cabin Creek. I cannot imagine that Cabin Creek would have folded as a company - there are so many of us that bought them exclusively! The current shirts are so thin (you have to wear a camisole underneath and it's too hot where I live for that!), do not fit, and are of terrible quality. Not to mention mostly polyester. Some entrepreneur out there should mimic Cabin Creek - they'd make a mint selling QUALITY clothes!
Posted by ep on 2013-07-29:
Not a very bring idea to removing Cabin Creek and Towncraft clothing from a store so many have come to love and only wear these brands.
Posted by Robin on 2013-08-03:
I used to shop @ Pennys all the time, never went anywhere else. But their clothing line in the last couple of yrs or so has gotton so sloppy. Some of their stuff looks like garage sale clothing, too "teenagy"! I too miss their cabin creek shoes and clothing. They really need to bring their standards back up. Just wait, they are going to go under. :(
Posted by LLK on 2013-08-22:
Groan. Miss the Oxford shirts soooo much! Cannot find anything to replace them. I've worn them for years. YEARS!! So bummed. Sure wish they'd bring them back.
Posted by Marcia on 2013-08-25:
Really miss the pants...I am always checking on eBay.
as of 8/24/13..they have put a line of Cabin Creek pants back..in 100 % polyester. If I wanted that..would use the low price catalogs for dirty work pants. Yuck
Posted by me on 2013-08-29:
I am thoroughly disappointed with jc penneys for discontinuing cabin creek clothes,please,please bring them back
Posted by Phacat on 2013-09-06:
Ditto, ditto, ditto !!!
Posted by Need the shirts on 2013-09-22:
There has to be some manufacturer who still makes these oxford like shirts. PLEASE tell us where we can buy them!
Posted by DJ on 2013-10-02:
I wish they would bring back their Cabin Creek Alice slip-on shoes. I absolutely loved them and all the ones I have are so beat up - but I keep wearing them. I had so many comments on what a nice looking shoe they were. They need to bring them back!!!!!
Posted by darianandbecky on 2013-11-03:
I'm a former JC Penney customer too. I stop in only to see if they've brought back Cabin Creek. These were great products in all respects: comfort, fit, prices, and quality. I've been forced to shop elsewhere because my jeans are wearing out but haven't found anything else as good.
Posted by sz on 2014-01-27:
And what about the Cabin Creek shoes. They are a favorite of my mothers
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Why discontinue Women's Cabin Creek denim pants??!
Posted by Newercomet on 10/01/2012
LANSING -- Cabin Creek denim pants, women's size, numbers on tag: 7536, 37904, 984 5911 I must have these pants. The Alfred Dunner are very low quality, and I will not purchase them. I have been buying Penny's Cabin Creek jeans for years now, and they are wonderful pants, they even have a little cellphone pocket on the right side. I can't figure out how to purchase them online. Please help me.
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Posted by Me too, where is my Cabin Creek!!! on 2012-10-01:
Cabin Creek is gone along with St John's Bay and all the other brands I bought. I have no reason to step foot in that store anymore. The tried and true brands are gone.
Posted by melissa253 on 2012-10-02:
A lot of clothing companies are doing away with what I call 'their old fogey clothing line'.
Posted by heartland on 2012-10-02:
Yep, our under-30 crazed culture only caters to butt-crack showing or tight legging style "jeans", dismissing jeans and pants made to fit normally at the waist with reasonably cut legs as "mom" jeans.
Not even cotton anymore, spandex and polyester. Best to hit the outdoor stores like L.L. Bean to get a decent pair of pants that fits normally and comfortably. Or try QVC that doesn't mind catering to "old fogeys" who actually have work to do and need to be able to sit, breathe, and bend over without their a$$ hanging out.
Posted by melissa253 on 2012-10-03:
If you want 'good fitting' jeans from yesteryear, you should go to Goodwill when they have their $.99 jeans sale. They do it about once a month.
Posted by Sybil on 2012-10-10:
I totally agree with the above comments. JCP has lost its mind. No wonder their profits are down.
Posted by Sue on 2012-10-11:
I agree with all the comments above. Cabin Creek jeans were the only jeans I wore. Also I don't like what they've done with the underware section. I probably won't be doing much shopping at Penney's from now on, unless things change.
Posted by Lorelei on 2012-10-19:
Same here! I NEED a return of Cabin Creek slacks. They are the only ones that really work well for me. I think I could get rich if I could find the fabric and make them for ya'll! Penneys...BRING THEM BACK!
Posted by Becky on 2012-10-30:
I was puzzled the last time I went to JCP and could not locate any Cabin Creek jeans. I didn't realize they had discontinued them. No reason for me to shop there again. Mine are in desperate need of replacement so guess I will be looking elsewhere. Bring them back!!
Posted by Carol on 2012-11-16:
Same here been wearing Cabin Creeks jeans for years and now I will not set foot in JCP. I can and will not wear those skinny jeans and it's a shame that all the stores cater to the young and dumb.
Posted by Jeanette on 2012-11-23:
Because of a catheter in my belly, I need pants with elastic waist and found Cabin Creek to be the most comfortable and economical jeans for me. JCP should know that we shop other depts beside Cabin Creek and when I shop elsewhere, I'll just make all my purchases at one store and it won't be JCP.
Posted by Joanne on 2012-12-10:
Totally agree. Cabin Creek are the only jeans for me. No reason to shop at JCP now, when other stores will have the other items I want. Listen to your customers and bring them back!
Posted by Libby on 2013-01-01:
Bring back ALL the Cabin Creek Products, I loved the jeans, capris and twill pants, also their shoes and purses.I've not been doing much shopping there since they discontinued them. So, if you want my business bring Cabin Creek merchandise BACK.
Posted by Sheryl J. on 2013-01-05:
Why doesn't a corporation LISTEN to it's customers anymore? Cabin Creek was a brand you could buy and use with confidence and satisfaction! AND the price was right!
Sell more...make more...sell more...make more...GET IT J.C. Penney? Evidently you don't, amd a bunch of stuffed shirts are sitting around wringing their fat little hands, "What has happened to our profit margin?? Why aren't customers coming in???"
Well, you won't have to worry much longer, you are destined to fail. Goodbye old (read...DUMB) friend.
Posted by Linda G on 2013-01-13:
Cabin Creek denim leggings jeans are the only jeans I have been wearing for the last ten years............they are the best and now discontinued???? JCPenney, what are you doing? you are losing your customer base. Also, every year I bought Cabin Creek cable sweaters. All of your conservative women's clothing is gone and replaced with brightly colored cheap looking clothing. Bring it back or lose customers!!!
Posted by Kristi H. on 2013-01-18:
I haven't been in a JCP store since I found out they discontinued my Cabin Creek jeans. Obviously many of us like our "Mom jeans" and the powers that be will not make us feel guilty about it. Recommend y'all try LLBean. They make a good elastic waite jean, just alittle pricey.
Posted by Sue R. on 2013-01-22:
Totally agree with everyone's thoughts on this noting being a good business decision on JCP's part, really miss not being able to buy jeans by Cabin Creek anymore. Now I have to start all over looking for jeans that fit me. Thanks for the suggestion to try LLBean.
Posted by Kathy E. on 2013-01-23:
Didn't realize the Cabin Creek jeans had disappeared from Penney's. They were the only ones that fit well. I have bought them for years and now I have to search for a good pair that fits. J.C. Penneys look like they are going out of business and now I know why. No need for me to go there anymore.
Posted by Mary on 2013-01-31:
Loved Cabin Creek jeans - have worn them for years. Disappointed that J.C. Penney's no longer offers this product. Will check out LLBean.
Posted by VJ on 2013-02-05:
I,too,have loved and enjoyed wearing Cabin Creek jeans,particularly the pull-on jeans. I also miss the catalog. I used to shop the catalog faithfully. Ocassionally to find something I was looking for, I would need to go the store. I did most of my shopping from the catalog. No problems whatsoever with finding the perfect size and I only had to return an order maybe once or twice, and that would be due to an inferior product.The last remodel on the stores has left me overwhelmed when I walk through the doors. I long for the "old" JCP.
Posted by Mary on 2013-02-09:
I agree with all of the comments above and am at a loss as to why would you, JCP, discontinue such a good seller. And, like the others, will make my purchases elsewhere. Dunner jeans just do not have it!
Posted by mkf on 2013-02-13:
Please bring back Cabin Creek and St Johns apparel line to JCP, Keep in mind Murphy's Law not broke don't fix, maybe need to take a survey of community and shoppers before changing company tactics,changes are ok but be smart about it
Posted by Pat on 2013-03-01:
I agree with all the comments, we need our Cabin Creek elastic waist jeans back I haven't shopped Penny's since and won't!Penny's please do something for your customers and gain your store back!
Posted by Jackie on 2013-03-08:
I definitely agree with all of the above comments. Cabin Creek Jeans and Twill pants were the only affordable petite pants that fit me well. The twill pants were perfect for work or play. I also miss St. John's Bay sweaters. I haven't really shopped at J.C. Penney since these changes occured. Please bring back the complete Cabin Creek and St. John's Bay lines. If the CEO brings back these lines, profits will soar! I will resume shopping frequently at Penney's.
Posted by cas on 2013-03-09:
Please bring back cabin creek pants. I only wear them and I need new ones!
Posted by KathyF on 2013-03-10:
Absolutely agree with all above comments on Cabin Creek Jeans......please JCP bring them back.....best fitting jeans around for "mom" jeans..is there anywhere else selling this brand jean???????????????????
Posted by LindaM on 2013-03-11:
Very upset. I too think Cabin Creek jeans and Twill pants are hard to beat. Now I can't find them....Please bring back.
Posted by Dorothy on 2013-03-16:
What a disappointment not to be able to purchase my favorite Cabin Creek Jeans:( I haven't stepped foot in a JC Penney store since they removed them from their stock.
JC Penney has slapped older shoppers in the face:(
Posted by Virginia on 2013-03-19:
I totally agree with the above comments re/JCP. I love all of the Cabin Creek brand items, especially the oxford shirts. I have no idea what the management of JCP was thinking when they revamped their stores to the current style. I don't even bother to look at their ads in the newspaper or waste time going into the store to shop. Who do they think will buy pants that show a part of your behind when you bend over?
Posted by Nancy on 2013-03-19:
My mother has worn cabin creek shoes for years she has foot problems and this was the only shoe that was confortable for her. We went to buy more and was told by the clerk that JC Penny had discontinued Cabin Creek. Not a good move for them. Have shopped JC Penny for years. JC Penny is having financial problems because they are catering to only the young people. Older people have been loyal and shopped there for years. They used to have a nice line of clothing now it is the same junk you find in the discount stores. Whoever makes these decisions needs to wake up and continue to have products for every age group.


Posted by LB on 2013-03-27:
JCP..Please bring back the Cabin Creek jeans and St. John's Bay tee-shirts and sweaters. I have a daughter with special needs and these are her main staple, so to speak, of clothing.
Posted by Ellie K. on 2013-04-01:
Couldn't agree more with ALL of the above comments! I will not shop at JCP again! {Glad to hear that LLBean carries jeans similar to Cabin Creek.} Cutting up my JCP credit card now! JCP, get a clue.
Posted by Nan V. on 2013-04-03:
I need my cabin creek pants. I do not know where else to buy them. Please help. thanks.
Posted by FrogLady on 2013-04-07:
Is anybody listening? I too have quite going into JCP since I can't get my Cabin Creek jeans. Wish we could see a corporate response.
Posted by Sharon C. on 2013-04-08:
I am in complete agreement. Please bring back the cabin creek pull on jeans, shorts, and khakis. I cannot find anyone else that carries something similar. I wonder if this page is ready by anyone in corporate. If there is a better way to contact them please share.

Sharon
Madison, AL
Posted by Laura on 2013-04-10:
I hadn't tried the Cabin Creek line but I and several other co-workers really miss the St. John's Bay twill and corduroy pants. Haven't been able to find anything similar that fit the same. Please bring back St. John's Bay. I haven't bought anything at JC Penney's since they discontinued the line.
Posted by Disappointed on 2013-04-13:
Loved Cabin Creek Pull on Jeans. JCP, please get them back.
Posted by Linda - LI NY on 2013-04-21:
I also miss the great Cabin Creek Jeans. Plus sized clothes are tough to get a good fit and these were a perfect fit. Please bring them back......
Posted by elizabeth on 2013-04-25:
I think we would like to hear from someone who knows, why discontinue a product that has an enormous following. I agree with all the above statements.
Posted by Viv on 2013-05-02:
I like Penney's Worthington line, but I want more color in women's slacks and suits- I am SICK OF black/brown/charcoal!!!! I stopped buying skirts and pants because my closet is full of black clothing-no wonder depression is on the rise. Also for those who have "needle-thin" bodies, it's easy, but unkind, to refer those who want comfort or need to wear larger sizes as "old fogies" who should be wearing clothing from yesteryear and Goodwill - what a narrow view concerning supply and demand!
Posted by Chris on 2013-05-03:
I know this is all about Cabin Creek but I miss the Alfred Dunner clothes too. they are comfortable for the working women. they have a have/had a nice mix and match group of clothes that are impossible to find. I almost dread going into JCP and it used to be my favorite place to shop. not everyone is skinny. almost everyone is a little overweight. Just look around make clothes for the real world!!!
Posted by Carol on 2013-05-04:
I agree with all the comments on the Cabin Creek Jeans and Leggings,I miss the Twill Shorts the most they are the only ones that fit right.My Granddaughter
is 22 and slim and she won't shop at JCP anymore she says the clothes are trashy.
Posted by Dot G on 2013-05-05:
I agree with all the above. I also miss the Cabin Creek jeans. Haven't been in JCP for over a year or more. Don't even shop on line anymore. Switched to Kohls, better sales, but no Cabin Creek jeans. My days of skinny, up your crack jeans are gone. Also would like to find clothes for my young granddaughters ages 8 and 10 that won't make them look like littel street walkers. What junk they sell.
Posted by barbara c on 2013-05-11:
I want cabin creek petite short jeans back. I will not shop at JCP anymore. cabin creek was the reason I did. Love their shirts too.
Posted by Reda Copeland on 2013-05-18:
Everything I have purchased lately from JCP I have had to return... The one thing they carried that I dearly loved was the Cabin Creek Denium pants. I am tall and they had my size and length... I am sick that I can't find them anywhere... I have 4 pair and they are wearing out fast because I wear them all the time..Somebody do something... Young folks are not your only customers... I would order 5 pair today if I could find them...
Posted by sandy b on 2013-05-19:
cabin creek sizing and lengths jeans fit more of us than anyother brand durable wash after wash lost 20 lbs and 2 sizes went back got 2 new pair just as jcp stopped selling them if jcp brought this brand back by popular demand they would sell
Posted by Pam on 2013-05-22:
I have worn Cabin Creek jeans since the day I found them. They fit and are the most confortable of all I have tried. I have lost 25 lbs. and needed to order a size smaller (yea!!) but found JCPenny no longer carries them (bad!). If another company even reads the few comments listed here, they have found what to do to increase their sales by a lot! Wake up jcp.
Posted by Lucille on 2013-05-23:
Bring back cabin creek denims. The best for comfort and fit.
Posted by Jean stapleton on 2013-05-24:
I love Cabin Creek Jeans,I was so disappointed when they quite selling them,I like the all elastic waist band,I have no need to go back to penneys anymore,wish they would bring them back
Posted by Marianne on 2013-06-07:
Your commercials say you are listening to your customers. Well JCP, if you are TRULY blessed listening, bring back Cabin Creek. Jeans, slacks, shorts! And do a national ad campaign so we will all know. From the looks of the posts, you will have the stampede. I know I'll be there. I down to one pair of jeans!
Posted by Diana on 2013-06-07:
I have been very disappointed with the changes over the last year. I used to buy most of my clothes from Penney's but now I rarely go in the store. I loved the Cabin Creek khakis. Penney's focus on the very young and the glitz has lost them a good customer. the only thing I shop for now at Penney's is window treatments.
Posted by Dorothy on 2013-06-13:
Please bring back the cabin creek ladies slacks with the elastic waist, they are missed by all the gals I know.
Posted by hem on 2013-06-23:
I have ordered Cabin Creek for 30 years! I miss the brand very much and haven't shopped at JC Penney since they discontinued the brand. Also, several friends miss the catalogs. Your company is doing very poorly and just hanging on, maybe you should return to doing business the way you used to. It's great to cater to the young, but they don't have the money. We do!!
Posted by Ann on 2013-07-01:
I have been buying Cabin Creek elastic waist jeans and twill pants and Easy Spirit clogs for over 12 years. I will not be back in Penneys for any purchases again.
Posted by Pat on 2013-07-04:
Wow went to JCP today to purchase some new Cabin Creek jeans and was told they no longer carry them my heart sank I was ready to purchase more that just jeans but I just turned around and left. I came home and got on line to see where I could purchase them and started reading the comments and I have to say if anyone up there in the JCP corporate building is reading these comments I can't believe you are not doing something about it your customers are speaking out or should I say your ex customers.
Posted by Ellen on 2013-07-13:
I can't believe JCPenneys has discontinued this brand. If they want their customers back then they need to bring back what we want.....
Posted by tink on 2013-07-28:
Think I am done shopping at JCPennys, they keep getting rid of everything I like.
Posted by Bonnie on 2013-07-28:
I shopped at JC Penny's for 4 centuries and now I don't shop there anymore. The only pants and shorts I liked was Cabin Creek and Alfred Dunner. They've now forced me to shop at Dillard's.
Posted by Mona on 2013-08-05:
Been wearing Cabin Creek elastic-waist tall size for years and now my patches are wearing thru so really need new jeans---and you don't carry them? Unbelievable!! Given the fact that only a fraction of people take time to write comments, you jcp exec's need read the comments, do the math and realize that you threw out a big chunk of your business....and that you need to bring them back NOW. Will Google Cabin Creek and try to find them elsewhere.
Posted by Jorainna on 2013-08-05:
I grew up with JC Penny for 50 years - it was my first charge card. I am beside myself - my last two pairs of Cabin Creek WP plus size elastic waist jeans are going thread-bare. :( I've stopped going to JCP and now shop at Kohl's but can't find a replacement for the jeans. Nothing out there fits my short, plump body like the Cabin Creek jeans did. That last time I was at JCP in the plus size dept. - there was nothing there but things that would make a short, plump person look like a tent. There was nothing I could wear to work, and my jeans were discontinued. SO ... no work clothes, no leisure clothes, no reason to remain loyal to a store that ripped the carpet out from under my feet!
Posted by Jan on 2013-08-13:
There are enough stores that cater to the younger set. Please consider the needs of the older generation. Cabin Creek has been a must have brand for thousands of loyal JCP customers. What in the world were they thinking.
Posted by Shirley on 2013-08-15:
Please bring back Cabin Creek petite short pullon jeans! Then I would probably come back to J.C.Penneys.
Posted by Nancy on 2013-08-17:
Please bring back Cabin Creek and Gloria Vanderbilt petites. I have no reason to go to Penneys since they seem to cater to the under 20 yrs. crowd who want to show everything. What happened to catering to a more modest 60 yrs. woman. I'm sure I'm not the only one very disappointed with Penneys. There isn't a thing I like about the store now. What are they thinking!
Posted by debbie on 2013-08-25:
I have been wearing cabin creek jeans for years, they are super comfortable, affordable and very high quality. To my surprise I go to replace my pants and even the sales people didnt know why they were discontinued, they offered me St. Johns Bay but not even close to the same. The entire stores quality has totally failed lately. Please bring back cabin creek jeans
Posted by cheryl on 2013-08-31:
Just sat down at my computer to order some new cabin creek jeans only to find they have been discontinued! What were you thinking?! PLEASE BRING THEM BACK!!!
Posted by Christine on 2013-09-12:
What were they thinking?? My mother has worn Cabin Creek jeans for years and is devastated since they were discontinued. She came up for a visit and we have looked everywhere for some jeans comparable to them but have not been able to find any.
Hopefully now that they got rid of the CEO or President that made all the changes that almost drove JCPenney in the ground they will bring them back along with St Johns Bay clothing and accessories which I bought.
JCPenney use to be my "Go To" store for clothing, Christmas Shopping, bedding, etc but now I rarely go there.
Posted by Anne on 2013-10-12:
My Cabin Creek jeans were wearing out
Posted by Gigi on 2013-10-21:
JC Penney took away ALL their BEST Brands Cabin Creek 1/2 elastic pants for women,, St. John's Bay sweat pants and tops,, etc...SO DISAPPOINTING. Don't shop much at Penney's any longer.....
Posted by LM on 2013-11-02:
I miss Cabin Creek jeans. The only jeans that are comfortable! Has anyone found a good replacement brand? I keep searching and searching.
Posted by Mary Sue on 2013-11-13:
I have worn Cabin Creek jeans for years and they fit great. I have to wear the tall size
and I can't find a good substitute.
Also, JC Penney has done a disservice to older tall women. I used to be able to buy
appropriate tall size clothes for my age (now 70) but now nothing is geared to that age group in tall sizes. Really a shame.
Posted by Cathy on 2013-11-22:
Last of my Cabin Creek jeans is wearing out. Very disappointed to find out that JC Penny has discontinued selling them. Only brand of jeans I have bought for years. Like Christine (above 09/12/13) JC Penny has been my "GO TO" store for most things for years. JC Penny won't be seeing me this Christmas, maybe I'll try online shopping this year - but not JCPenny.com.
Posted by Christy on 2013-11-24:
Looking all over for Cabin Creek Jeans..petite size 6. I shopped JC Penney for years...rarely go in the store now.
Posted by Jan on 2013-11-30:
I am so disappointed because I can't find cabin creek jeans anymore. I have quit going to j c penny's anymore. I need new jeans and can't find the cabin creek jeans. I have to have jeans with elastic. please bring back cabin creek.
Posted by sylvia belcher on 2013-12-02:
I too have been buying Cabin Creek jeans for many years. I do not know why JC Penney's quit selling them. They are the best fit jean no matter what size you need. I too will not go back into JC Penney's until they start to carry Cabin Creek jeans again. Alfred Dunner are no way near as good. They are made of very thin material and uncomfortable. Bring back Cabin Creeks jeans, PLEASE
Posted by mary on 2014-01-08:
I agree with all these comments. Went looking on line to order the cabin creek elastic waist jeans from jc penney and couldn't find them. please jc bring them back. I have lost weight and mine are to big now. I can not find any jeans better.
Posted by Susan on 2014-01-22:
Just went on-line to order 3 new pair of Cabin Creek petite jeans . Getting ready for an extended roade trip and my current pairs are in desperate need of replacement. Imagine my disappointment that these are no longer available, either in the dark navy or the faded. No more shopping at JCP until they bring back this line. Listen to your customers, JCP. Do not suggest Alfred Dunner as a replacement
Posted by carol on 2014-01-28:
TO: J C Penny CO
FROM: one of your used-to-be customers
Some day retailers are going to wake up and find that the entire population is NOT 25. If I wanted to buy skinny-mini clothes, I would shop in a skinny-mini store. I have worn Cabin Creek jeans for years and have three sizes in my closet to prove it. Pennys has been my go-to store for forever. As an active senior (over 70) do you really think anyone would take me seriously dressed in low-cut, skin-hugging jeans or worse still, the frumpy Alfred Dunners that scream OLD, OLD, OLD. and cost a fortune? Get with it!
Posted by Alma on 2014-02-25:
Please J.C. Penney, Bring back the Cabin Creek jean's. These where the only jeans that are comfortable....right size and length, great durability!!!
Posted by Cathy J on 2014-03-24:
What ever happened to good old fashion common sense? JC Penny is going broke because of poor quality mdse. To get back on the road to recovery start with your buyers, they all need to be fired. The clothes they are bringing into the stores are pure JUNK, the colors and styles are for teens and 20 year olds and even they are not buying it. Put in your stores what people want, that sells and make sales. Stop selling garbage and go back to the basics and sellers. Cabin Creek jeans, Alfred Dunner Sweaters the nice clothes JCP use to carry. Fire all those goofy buyers and get back to what people want !!!!!!!
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Fake sales at JCPenney
Posted by Punger1 on 04/22/2009
BRONX, NEW YORK -- In reference to the complaint against JCPenney at Bay Plaza Mall, 100 Baychester Avenue, Bronx NY 10475

My wife and I were buying blinds for our home and noticed a 70% off sale at JCPenney. The measurements were entered in at a computer in the back, and the sale completed at the register up front. We wanted to shop the price around so we priced out one blind. At Home Depot the price of a 30" x 53" Bali Casual classic white satin pinstripe shade was 150.00. At JCPenney the price for the same exact shade is $566.00. Which seemed outrageous. But an "Event Retail price" was applied at the computer at the back which brought it down to $169.80. Still not competitive enough with Home Depot. That's when the manager, Henry moss stepped in and told me that the 169.80 had not yet received the 70% off. I pointed out the math and said that it looks as if it had. 169.80 happens to be 70% off of $566.00. He re-iterated and told me that the 70% off cannot be applied until the order gets to the register up front and rung up. To which I said let's ring it up and void it so I can see the price (which should come to about $50.00) Henry Moss told me that if he voids the order I will be charged 25% of the price.

Also seemingly outrageous. I said "How do I know if I want it if I don't know the price?" And in front of 2 other employees pointed to the 169.80 and said "I swear to you 70% will come off of this price when you ring it up."' Just a little background, I have my MBA in finance from NYU, my wife who was also present, is the senior marketing director for credit cards at Citigroup. If there is one thing we know it's numbers. There was no misunderstanding. Henry made it clear at least three times. The information given to us by your manager was false.

I took all of the measurements around my house (14 windows) and drove back to JCPenney the following day. My wife and I spent 2 hours logging in the information into a computer in the back. It took this long because the woman who helped me was painfully untrained and had to re-enter the information several times. When the offer did not stand at the front register I demanded to speak to Henry Moss, but he was not around. I got passed around to a few employees landing at [snip] who took the information, left for an hour and came back telling us there was nothing she could do. 3 hours and 30 minutes total of my time in the store. The employees who were present at the time Henry told me about the price coming off at the register could not recall any details about the night before. I feel like I was reeled into making this huge investment just so Henry Moss or one of the employees could make a commission.

It also seems as if the price of the shades was jacked up to $566.00 so that JCPenney could bring the price down to a competitive level and call it a 70% off sale. I will be contacting Bali to investigate the possible price fixing.
     
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Posted by Dukeboy17 on 2009-05-23:
I had the same problem with JCPenney. I was attempting to purchase the Bali Faux Wood blinds. The sales lady gave me a price of $78/window after the 70% off sale and 15% off for some survey. After I looked at Home Depot I started questioning some things. Home Depot's standard price was $97/window. JCPenney's price was $307/window. When I talked to the sales lady at JCPenney about this she had to put me on hold and talk to somebody about it. She came back on the phone and told me the difference in price was because of "superior customer service". I told her there is no way in the world there can be that big of price difference between companies. She then proceeded to say that there was life time warranty on the blinds through JCPenney. Upon further questioning, the only thing that would be free is the shipping of the product back to the company. I will buy from Home Depot due to this deceptive advertising scheme.
Posted by dajjo on 2010-06-10:
I concur, I saw the advertisement for 70% off bali products. I went to store and setup a measurement appointment to order the bali shutters. Out of curiosity I also had the saleperson run a dummy quote on a 72 x 72 shutter. The original price of one shutter came out to be outrageous amount around 2520 and after 70% off it was 756. I did the same thing went to lowes and the price of same shutter 72x72 over there was 718 which is REGULAR price and not sale price. When I went back to JC penney and told them about the lowes price, she said really?

I wonder if some one has 20 such windows and do not get the sale price at JCP he or she will end up spending 50,000 for shutters. I ended up cancelling my measurement appt with them.
Posted by squat22 on 2012-01-01:
People, people, people.....don't you get it? There is NO sales at JCP. Its all priced at an amount that lets them get what it is really worth when they add the 50-70% off crap. If you see a sweater in a dept. that says "$60"....but it looks like a "$20" sweater.....then you get to the register to pay for it and they ring it up at $19.99.....you "think" you're getting a deal, but you're just getting what they want you to get....the sweater. Think the next time you believe that JCP has good sales, and then ask yourself is it really a sale....or a sales tactic!
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Same Sex Couple in Ad for Father's Day
Posted by Humphries.april on 06/01/2012
I am a Christian, therefore I live with Christian values. I was shocked to find a same sex couple in the Father's Day ad for JC Pennys. I have spent a lot of money in that store but because of this ad I will no longer shop at a store that supports a Gay lifestyle. I am a mother of 4 boys and we teach our children that marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. That's the way God intended it to be. I will tell all my friends that JC Pennys supports the Gay lifestyle not to patronize JC Pennys.

Your duty as a seller of product, is to stay neutral in these types of conflicts. I believe you have damaged your customers views of your store and it will affect your sales I am afraid from the Christian Community.
     
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Posted by ChuhBaca on 2012-06-01:
I will shop there more because this bold statement!

One of the founding principals of this country is to escape religious persecution. Yet, religion is being used on a daily basis to deny an entire segment of the US population, the freedoms of others.

I think we should have a JC Penney day, where all of us reasonable people go into one of their stores and make a purchase.
Posted by KevinTX on 2012-06-01:
Well put ChuhBaca. People are way too sensitive. Everyone has their own beliefs whether it has to do with religion or not... it's your own opinion, to each his/her own right?
Posted by Churro on 2012-06-01:
"That's the way God intended it to be"

If that's true then how do you explain homosexuality? I figure if an omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient deity so desired there would be no gays. Obviously, there are gays so eh ya know perhaps you're wrong in that statement or perhaps not. I'm certainly not brazen enough to make such a proclamation.

If *your* values are offended by JCP's actions then by all means don't shop there and spread the word to people who believe as *you* do. Good luck.
Posted by KevinTX on 2012-06-01:
BTW, the Green Lantern will be visiting JCPY's as their new SUPAH spokesperson.
Posted by Anonymous on 2012-06-01:
Good for JCPenny for this ad! Nowadays, there is no "traditional'' family anymore. It's rare to see a husband and wife and kids. Now there's single parents, step parents, gay couples, etc. As long as there's love in the family, than who cares how it's all put together.
Posted by BigAl on 2012-06-01:
Would not "staying neutral" mean that they would have different ads that depict different lifestyles. That would show that they are not for or against differing lifestyles.Your position is anything but neutral.You may be surprised how many Christians have a different view than yours on this subject. If to be a Christian one must practice bigotry count me out.
Posted by leet60 on 2012-06-01:
It could also be said that Christian Values include the tenet that one should not judge another - that is left to God. I always find it interesting how some people can pick and choose what they wish to believe. Remember, if you point your index finger at someone else in judgement, be careful to see the three you are pointing back at yourself.
Posted by KevinTX on 2012-06-01:
If same sex couples want to be together, and they're happy, why not let them. There is WAY too much OVER sensitivity these days when really, we should be looking at what make s person happy and let it be. Who really cares in the BIG PICTURE.
Posted by lexophiliac on 2012-06-01:
The Creator graciously entitled man with free will, the freedom to choose to serve Him or follow the flesh. As for you and your house Op, you have chosen to serve the Lord, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Posted by trmn8r on 2012-06-01:
I am Christian, and what I was taught was to respect differences in people. Done, end of story.
Posted by TLSmith on 2012-06-01:
Look up the definition of "Family" There are many
Posted by clutzycook on 2012-06-01:
You know what, OP? That's your prerogative. You know what else? What is shown in JCP's ads is their prerogative. Odds are your financial support won't be missed.
Posted by Quizzy on 2012-06-01:
"I am Christian, and what I was taught was to respect differences in people. Done, end of story.'

Where is your "Christian" respect for the poster's difference of opinion? Where is your respect for what God has to say on the subject of homosexuality?

Posted by RobinWilliams on 2012-06-01:
Good question, dearie. Today, families come in all shapes and sizes. There are large ones and small ones. White ones and pink ones. Some families have clowns for parents, some have architects or city planners.
Posted by madconsumer on 2012-06-01:
even in the animal kingdom, there are same sex relations, as well as some that change sex.

i for one believe love comes in all shapes and sizes, and is not one size fits all.
Posted by virginia_tide on 2012-06-01:
Good for JPL - I will also shop more at a store like that. And it's true that homosexuality is common in the animal kingdom, so the only thin unnatural is people getting worked up about something that is none of their business and not paying attention to actual problems like hunger, education, pollution, animal and people abuse, etc. Jesus loves everyone, you know.
Posted by robridingbike on 2012-06-01:
I am currently changing my religion because of comments like this one posted today. (Born) Catholic to something else because I am getting tired of people using religion to force their views down my throat!!! I worry about MY house n if it doesn't concern this address then I wont waste my time worrying about it...
Posted by Steve-n-NorCal on 2012-06-01:
Six people found this helpful?
Posted by Anna Molly on 2012-06-01:
Amazing, eh, Steve?
Posted by BigAl on 2012-06-01:
From Quizzy--Where is your "Christian" respect for the poster's difference of opinion? Where is your respect for what God has to say on the subject of homosexuality?---
I may be the odd man out but God hasn't told me anything about the subject of homosexuality.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2012-06-01:
Curious, what is helpful?
Posted by Anonymous on 2012-06-01:
11 helpful votes? Seriously?
Posted by trmn8r on 2012-06-01:
I found this helpful to remind me that society has clocks that run at different speeds relative to Earth time. I didn't vote it so, however.
Posted by trmn8r on 2012-06-01:
Turns out the ad features a real life couple and their children:
http://gawker.com/5914527/jcpenney-responds-to-homophobic-boycott-calls-with-gay-fathers-day-ad

JCP in all likelihood is doing this on purpose to stoke the flames they've been fanning with the Mother's Day ad and maybe others. Good for them. This is a two-parent family, which alone places it in rare form these days.
Posted by Anna Molly on 2012-06-01:
Thanks for the info, trmn8r..

Posted by Cwazychicken on 2012-06-02:
I am also a christian but open minded. I do not believe jesus would condemn someone on their sexuality. If he can forgive a murderer and a prostitute, i think he can forgive someone for wanting to love who they love. I respect gays, and i dont see how we should judge them.

That is just how i feel. While i do not agree with your opinion that gays should have no right to be in ads like this, i will try to respect it and not judge you on it....but does not mean i have to agree with it.
Posted by Wes C. on 2012-06-02:
The problem with your statement Cwazychicken is Jesus condemns the sin, not the sinner. His forgiveness for those sins comes with the expectation that you sin no more. You don't get forgiveness and free license to keep living in that sin. Seeking and accepting forgiveness means acknowledging your sin and renouncing it. And yes, Jesus would condemn, He said He came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it. Do you honestly believe He would contradict the Father? People use any justification and rationale to justify their sins, the truth is they don't want to do what it takes to give them up.
Posted by Go JCP! on 2012-06-02:
While the Christians put on their blinders and pretned their lifestyle is the only way, the rest of the world progresses and real life continues. There are many types of fmailies in this world, some have a mom and a dad, some only have 1 parent (mom or dad) and some have 2 moms or 2 dads. The only thing that matters is that the family has love in it.
Posted by Quizzy on 2012-06-02:
"One of the founding principals of this country is to escape religious persecution. Yet, religion is being used on a daily basis to deny an entire segment of the US population, the freedoms of others." - Yes, wannabe polygamists, bigamists, loli lovers, marriage within the immediate family, ) fathers/daughters, first cousins, sisters/brothers, mothers / sons - hey, they can't help who they fall in love with either, right? Equal rights for all, if it feels good do it, people desiring group marriage, bestiality, are ALL being denied the freedoms of others.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2012-06-02:
I've thought hard about this "marriage" issue. I believe that traditional marriage is a sacred act an vow between a man and woman and therein lies the problem. I have no problem at all with a civil union between two individuals that contains all rights and privileges as a marriage. However, I do think calling a joining of same gender adults marriage is somewhat disrespectful to a tradition that is based on religious principles. That IMHO is the issue with me. The meaning of the word marriage is being challenged, in my mind, and not the act.
Does this make sense?
Posted by tnchuck100 on 2012-06-02:
I agree, jkt. Same sex is NOT a "marriage". It is only a partnership. Nothing more. I do not think Mother's Day and Father's Day are appropriate considerations for these "partnerships". But that is just my opinion.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2012-06-02:
How about a "Parent's" day?
Posted by tnchuck100 on 2012-06-02:
jkt, nope, I don't buy into that either.
Posted by Steve-n-NorCal on 2012-06-02:
Best answer GOJCP !
Posted by trmn8r on 2012-06-02:
Well, I agree with everything GOJCP said, *except* not all Christians feel the same way. I know I don't.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2012-06-02:
GOJCP...great answer, but the Christians I know aren't against the lifestyle, but the attempt to change the definition of marriage.
Posted by Cwazychicken on 2012-06-02:
I understand we should not sin no more, but i also dont believe we need to condemn gays because of who they choose to love. I know some christians feel its wrong but some believe in not judging anyone! That is my point. We should not judge who one decides to love. If they have the lord in their heart and feel the love and passion for their partner as we do our husbands or wives, then what difference does it make?? Just my opinion. This is not the place to really talk about my religion. I am not going to preach on others to believe my faith.

However, case in point, i do not judge gays...they are human just like you and me and deserve the same respect!!!
Posted by Wes C on 2012-06-02:

It is not about condemning someone for whom they choose to love. It is for acting on those feelings. It is not a condemnation, it is a personal choice , blief, opinion, conviction, on choosing to obey the Lord and choosing not to abet or enable sin or give it a stamp of approval. An adulterer cannot be forgiven while still engaging in adulterous behavior for example. The Spirit cannot dwell in the heart of iniquity. If one is steeped in sin, the Lord is not in their heart. By your fallacious logic and ignorance of Scripture, one should not judge, condemn, or speak out against murder, or the murderer by whom he chooses to murder. They are humans too.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2012-06-02:
Wes, which one of the commandments condemns a relationship between the same sex?
Posted by Wes C on 2012-06-02:
Jesus did not address child-molestation either
Posted by madconsumer on 2012-06-03:
22 helpful votes and counting!!!

Posted by jktshff1 on 2012-06-03:
We are not discussing anything other than a same sex relationship. That statement is irrelevant.
My vote was not helpful.
Posted by trmn8r on 2012-06-03:
Yep, I voted it helpful myself, because I'm proud that JCP is standing up for a cause. I also happen to be a stockholder. There's two ways to look at "helpful".
Posted by jktshff1 on 2012-06-03:
+100 trmn well put
Posted by prince caesar on 2012-06-11:
I praise JCP for that they did. Im suck of everyone being to negative in a country that accepts EVERYONE, regardless of religion, sex, or race.....even sexual orientation. I think people need to open their eyes, and realize its not the 1600s anymore. Also, what about all the other parts of the bible that people dont follow? Like if a woman is raped she must marry her rapist? or if a husband dies, she must marry the husbands brother? People just pick and choose pieces of the bible that fit THEIR lifestyle.
Posted by Chris on 2013-05-03:
As you can see from your sales a gay as your spokes person was and is a bad choice. I see your new ads saying you were sorry for some but not this. JC Penney himself would be shocked.
Posted by Suzanne on 2013-05-31:
I, too, was shocked to see the gay couple and was offended. Sorry J. C. Penney included this in their catalog. Disappointed.
Posted by Dixie Stanfield on 2014-03-29:
No more Cabin Creek clothing at J.C. Penney stores. No more of my money spent with J.C. Penney. Women my age desire comfort and SOME fashion, but more comfort. With the removal of Cabin Creek, I will no longer shop Penney. I am a former employee, the 50's, and a loyal, long time shopper. But no more.
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$10.00 Gift Certificate From J.C. Penny Company
Posted by on 12/22/2003
SUMTER, SOUTH CAROLINA -- My wife received a $10.00 gift certificate in the mail from Headquaeters J.C. Penny, good at any store. The certificate stated that she could have anything that was $10.00 or more that was sold by any J.C. Penny store.

Today, 22 Dec 03, at the J.C. Penny's,Sumter Mall, Sumter, S.C., she found a 63 piece tool set that was clearly marked on the back (bar code) $20.00. It was also on sale for 50% (repeat 50%) off. Therefore, the item would be $10.00 and my wife could use the $10.00 gift certificate.

When she waited in line and finally got to the register, the clerk rang it up as $9.99; therby voiding the $10.00 gift certificate since the item was LESS than $10.00.

I graduated from a very rural school; however, I did learn enough to know that 50% of 20 is 10 ---
not 9.99!!!

In a nutshell, J.C. Penny has a "rip off" and deceptive advertisement campaign going. They force you to buy something else to have a bill of $10.00 OR MORE.

Putting the $20.00 item (with 50% off)in the computer at $9.99 is wrong and they know it!
     
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Posted by Anonymous on 2003-12-24:
I agree. Misleading and incorrect signs cause much confusion and hassle at too many stores nowadays. So many different sales on so many items; if these companies are going to market thier products by way of sale pricing/advertising, they had better make sure they have a qualified staff on hand to complate transactions properly.
Posted by brittany1485 on 2004-02-22:
That's so stupid that you have to use up the whole gift certificate all at once. And of this over one penny! What a stupid policy.
Posted by chocbuddha on 2007-06-04:
I am sorry, but in what universe do you expect to go into a store and get one of their items (not free gifts or door prizes) and expect to get it completely free. "And of this over one penny! " You're absolutely right(not in the way you ment, though) all that the original poster had to do was be one penny over the $10 and you would have been able to use that coupon. JCPenney has been doing that $10 gift for years and I always knock a 9.99 purchase over by buying like a small gift bag, or sock and then oh my I might sometimes have to pay a whole extra dollar in order to get my free $10. 9.99 item and a gift bag for $1. Why complain?
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Cabin creek pants
Posted by Susieq77 on 04/09/2012
KELSO, WASHINGTON -- I am wondering if Penneys is trying to give their loyal customers the boot!
I have been buying Penneys products for years. They have discontinued my favorite pillows, bedding and nylons but I stayed with them. However now they have closed out my very favorite pants - Cabin Creek. I can find no other pants that is so good for my live style. Whether its shopping, gardening, camping and hiking, its the most comfortable and durable of pants. I can't fathom who made this extemely poor decision but I sure hope Penneys will see the error of this decision and bring back Cabin Creek brand. I will no longer be shopping with Penneys since they no longer seem to want my business. I can no longer buy clothes for my husband either since they no longer want to carry the styles he likes either. Looks like Penneys new CEO wants only the young teens to buy at their stores. Its going to be hard to find another pants that worked as well for my body and life style but unless Penneys bring back my Cabin Creek I will be looking for a new store to shop at.
     
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Posted by Liddiot on 2012-04-09:
Perhaps the brand went out of business or the store's buyers decided to go different direction. I too have noticed that Penney's seems to have more products aimed at the younger set than my own age, but then again maybe they buy more than I do as I don't shop there much. The best deals I find there are around Father's day.
Posted by Leslie on 2012-09-17:
I have no place to shop for my mother. The Cabin Creek pants and sneakers were perfect but Penneys has discontinued the brand. Even the employees are disappointed. "It's not your mother's JC Penney's."
Posted by No mas patalones on 2013-02-19:
I, too, am very disappointed that J C Penney has chosen to discontinue many of my favorite items, especially the Cabin Creek twill pants. I wear them to work and casual wear 99% of the time. Almost daily a coworker wants to know where I purchase pants that fit so well and I have given Penneys credit for years. Now what? Every day I read of Penney's troubles in the business section of the paper, and I blame the new execs and their "new vision" for the store. To borrow a line from Dr. Phil, "How's that working for you?".
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Posted by Heydenreich on 05/18/2012
Hated to see JCPenneys no longer carrying Cabin Creek. I believe this will hurt them a lot. And no more catalogs, what happened? Such a great store going in wrong direction. I will shop else where, hope another store carries cabin creek brand. So sad.
     
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Posted by trmn8r on 2012-05-18:
They studied the catalog situation, and realized that they weren't worth publishing anymore. As I recall it happened in at least two steps. First they stopped mailing them, and then recently stopped publishing them (I believe).

Many people shop online these days. Personally I liked using the catalogs, but as the years passed I used them less and less until the last few I didn't open at all.

As for Cabin Creek, there have been similar complaints. Maybe if enough people complain they may bring it back. But consider this may be another case of declining or insufficient demand.

JCP is going through a major change in eliminating sales, and it is interesting you didn't mention it. As a stockholder, I hope they are making the right moves to make the company more successful in the future. No pain, no gain, they say.
Posted by Bring back Cabin Creek! on 2012-05-18:

JC Penney needs to wake up and figure out who is their demographic. It is an older demographic than the store is trying to portray.

All the younger shoppers have their specialty stores that line the malls. Kids only have so much money and it is not going to be spent at either JC Penney or Sears. Both those stores need to get back to the basics. With Penney's it is brands like Cabin Creek. I wear that brand but now I haven't set foot in a Penney's for months.
Posted by Julia on 2012-05-20:
I have been ordering Cabin Creek blouses for years. They have always fit perfectly first time. Living overseas I have always ordered through the online catalog for pick up during the one or two weeks I am home in the States.
35 years ago when I was stationed in Korea, Pennys was the must reliable place to shop for my clothing and my than new-born as the sizes ran true. My daughter was a JC Penny kid to paraphrase Toy R' Us.

Now, having been in the Middle East for 14 years, I have come to really rely even more on JC Penny for my yearly clothing shopping, ordering 10-15 blouses (Cabin Creek), a dozen pants and other clothing items.
Pennys MUST be OUT of their MIND to discontinue Cabin Creek, as it has consistently been the most reliable brand of clothing. Makes me consider closing my 30 year charge account.
Posted by Sandy on 2012-07-16:
I have loved the Cabin Creek twill pants, especially since I was able to get them in Tall size. I am so disappointed in Penney's for discontinuing the brand. They are now geared too much toward the youth group.
Posted by tisha on 2012-07-16:
I too have been purchasing the cabin creek shirts along with several other women that i work with. Finding a shirt that fits well the first time is almost impossible. I would probably never go to or would have gone to jc penny if it werent me going to order this shirt. UNHAPPY
Posted by Judy on 2012-08-27:
Please bring back the Cabin Creek camp shirts. My daughters and I have purchased every color you had. Why would you get rid of such a good product? Please bring the brand back. Older people need clothes too. You seem to be focusing only on young buyers. What would JC Penney say? No reason for my family to shop at Penneys now.
Posted by MJ on 2012-08-29:
I too have purchased Cabin Creek shirts and pants for years! I really need some new ones and can't find them now. Does any other store carry Cabin Creek? I will no longer shop at JC Penny's.
Posted by Sandy on 2012-08-30:
Please bring back cabin creek blouses,they always washed an ironed so nice, have not shopped Jcp since they discontinued this brand PLEASE BRING BACK a fantastic product for elderly women
Posted by Ann on 2012-09-27:
I have for many years bought Cabin Creek blouses. Please bring them back. Imam an older woman and many stores do not carry clothes appropriate for my age group.
Posted by Tuneful on 2012-10-11:
Amen to the above. I have bought Cabin Creek since I was in my 20s, back in the 80s. And not because I was, or am, an "old fogey": I wanted classic American style, pretty (not garish) colors, natural cotton fabric (sometimes in a blend to make it easy-care---no one wants to iron more than they have to regardless of age), styles that I could wear all day comfortably in my busy life, a length option in pants, a reasonable price, and excellent quality. I am very upset that JCP has discontinued CC and if SJB goes too I really will have no reason to go there again. I am particularly disappointed about the CC twill pants. I have a CC denim jacket, classic style, hip length, that has been going for 10 years and I love it.
Posted by Anne on 2012-10-12:
I can no longer fnd Cabin Creek shirts. They always fit perfectly, they laundered wonderful, I never had to iron them. I don't like to think that I won't be able to purchase them anymore. Bring back Cabin Creek!
Posted by Jan on 2012-10-18:
I couldn't believe Penney's isn't carrying Cabin Creek clothing anymore. Who's bright idea was that? They're losing a lot of business from me and my friends unless they bring them back. Who manufactures them? I'd gladly order from them.
Posted by Shirley on 2012-11-09:
I like the cabin creek shirts and have been buying them for many years! Please bring back the cabin creek brand for the older generation!
Posted by Sheila in Indiana on 2012-11-10:
Keep telling them BRING THEM BACK....but I now go to Kmart and buy chic pants. Kohls has a brand too that's something on the elastic waist jean pants for women. Also try Sears....but send a message JCPenney needs to listen to their customers not some idiot that's now the ceo.
Posted by Geri on 2012-12-01:
I relied on the Cabin Creek Brand at JCP. Every season I added to or refreshed my wardrobe with cabin creek pants.I'm petite anad I could get petite short which were a wonderful fit.Hope they bring this brand back.
Posted by Helen on 2013-01-10:
Have been buying Cabin Creek Oxford shirts for years and am very disappointed to see JCP has discontinued them. That was my reason for shopping JCP Would also buy other things when shopping for Cabin Creek. No longer have any reason to shop JCP
Posted by Linda on 2013-04-08:
Haven't bought anything from Penney's since they discontinued Cabin Creek
Posted by Cinny on 2013-04-15:
I am so depressed that you don't have the Cabin Creek Shirts, etc... just was at a baby shower today.. and was talking to someone else that is disappointed too... and she isn't the only person I know.. I do know many that won't be going to JCPenney anymore.. I have been buying them for more that 20 years... I sure hope that you bring them back soon. Cuz I won't be going to JCPenney's until you do...
Posted by Barb on 2013-04-20:
I also hope JCP brings back cabin creek clothing. Have not shopped for clothing at JCP since new CEO ruined my favorite store.
Posted by Peggy from Northern Michigan on 2013-05-02:
My Cabin Creek Shirts are wearing out, I would buy a dozen if I could only find them. I purchased all of my clothing from JCP, but they have discontinued all of my favorites, including underwear. :(
Posted by lois on 2013-05-08:
I have looked nearly a year to find another store handling cabin creek brand of clothing. Am so disappointed in JCP for dropping that line ! 1
Posted by Janice on 2013-05-25:
I hope that JC Penny's brings back the Cabin Creek Line of clothes, at least the Camp Shirts. They are the nices shirts, and I agree with all the comments above. You need to come back down to earth and carry some more of the clothing you use to, I have not purchased anything since you went fashion!!

Thank you and hurry and bring back the Cabin Creek Camp Shirts or tell us where to purchase them..
Posted by gloria on 2013-07-14:
I too loved these shirts. Whats the matter with JC Pennys These shirts were comfortable and washed up nicely.I always ordered seven or eight at a time after I found out about them from my mother in law. She also ordered these all the time and really loved them as well.
Posted by Lettie on 2013-07-25:
I, too, have been searching for cabin creek shirts. I am prepared to buy as many as I can find n my size..18w!!, I have only been able to find one on ebay. It fits perfectly?
Please, anyone out there who can, start selling them . There is a real need for them. No special research teams or programs are necessary...just read these comments!!!!
Posted by Kris on 2013-07-29:
I have been purchasing Cabin Creek Worry Free Long Skirts for as long as I can remember. I have several different colors. They hold up well AND fit perfectly. I am ashamed of the decision makers at JC Penney for discontinuing such an excellent brand. Will not shop again at JC Penney!!! Hope your new strategy works for you, it doesn't for me!
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Penny's "New Look"
Posted by Bbwakefield on 06/15/2012
I used to shop at Penney's every time I went to the Mall and have spent many $$$'s at various Penney's over the years. But the new makeover stinks! Many of the of the customer service areas (or cashiers) have been eliminated increasing check out time. The under $10.00 price or whatever is posted, is a joke. The first thing I look for when I go into a store is the clearance or sale racks which no longer exist. I also shopped with the coupons found online or in the local paper. Even Nordstroms has sales racks. If Penney's think it is more high class to not have these, executive management is not tuned into the real world. Last time I went to Penney's was last week, and again I left the store without purchasing anything. I probably won't go to another Penney's in the future.
     
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Posted by unhappy999 on 2012-06-15:
I don't like the new Penney's either.
Posted by ok4now on 2012-06-16:
Just saw this on Fox news. Penny's has a new commercial featuring two gay men. They are trying to appeal to all life styles, G, L, B, T. I'm only the messenger and not passing judgement. The news story said this may be a mistake because only 3% of the population falls in to this category. The other 97% may be offended which could hurt sales, you be the judge.
Posted by Anonymous on 2012-06-16:
I haven't been to JC Penny's since Christmas, so I haven't seen the changes yet. I live near the mall, so maybe I will take a look this weekend. I used to love shopping there, but the quality of their clothes has gone downhill in the past few years. AZ Mills has a JC Penny outlet that I used to LOVE. I was able to get shirts for about $5 and pants for about $8-10. The last few times I shopped at the outlet (maybe 6-7 months ago), I was disappointed at the selection and the prices. I can get better quality clothes at Goodwill, for the same price.

On a side note, the gay ads don't bother me. I do applaud Penny's for that bold move.
Posted by betty hesse on 2013-03-25:
I am 79 years of age. I have shopped at Penneys since I was a little girl and taken there by my mother. I hate that you no longer carry the Cabin Creek pants. I like Alfred Dunner...but their geans are terrible quality. I hate all the changes at the Penneys store...not because it's different but because I can never find anything thwew that I want anymore. Who ever the " Brain Child " is that is calling the shots there now ...SHOULD BE REPLACED by someone that understands the Penneys customers. !! Thank heavens we have a Kohls in our town.I shop there now.
Posted by p gallegos on 2013-10-26:
Please bring back cabin creek pull on jeans for petite women starting at size 8. I am disabled and these are the only pants I use. I don't like the new women clothing{or the sales women}at your store in Riverdale Utah. Please listen to the public and stop trying so hard to change your styles and appearance of your store. We used to enjoy Penneys but as of late shopping in your stores has not been a good experience.
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Purchased Sleigh Bed
Posted by Mdaronco on 04/04/2005
Feb 21, 2005 - Purchased a sleigh bed (or so I thought...) I was advised that the model I wanted was out of stock. No biggy. I could wait a few more weeks.

Early March: Contacted Customer service. Shipment from Asia is still pending. wait another 2 weeks

Mid March: Same results - they said wait until April. I send an email to customer service in order to document my plight.

I receive an email advising me of the above, and an offer of an $50.00 gift certificate if I don't cancel my order - and contigent upon the receipt of the non existent furniture.

April: Still no furniture. I call customer service again & Send email - requesting information and a reality check of when this furniture is to arrive. Customer service response? To wait for May.

I'm now forced to shop around once again. I don't recommend anyone shop at JC Pennys for furniture unless they're ready for a 4 month wait.



     
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Posted by Celestial on 2005-07-12:
I am in the midst of the same problem. I ordered a dining room table 5/30/2005 and found out today that it won't arrive until mid-September!!!
Posted by fidoman on 2005-08-21:
We moved into a new house in May and ordered a new bedroom set from JCP too. We were told it would arrive in 2 weeks putting it at end of May. They called and said everything was backordered and would arrive June 18. They showed up with everything but the bed. They said the bed would be here in 2 more weeks and did we want our new mattress set up on the floor? Of course we don't want a new mattress thrown on the floor. So they said they could split the order but charged US another 50 bucks to do so. June came and went and no bed. We called our store and the rep said it would be July for delivery. July came and went and we called again and rep said now it is August. Well here we are on the 20th of August and still no bed. I have called the store mgr who said she had to wait until the office crew could go through their records. Then I got handed off to the furniture mgr who was the rudest person I have ever talked to. He told me he has family on the waiting list before us and it will be quite a wait. I told him that NJ furniture law stipulates that if the delivery date is missed by more than 2 weeks, they must refund the money and pick up their products if we request that, which we did. He laughed at me and said too bad the furniture is ours now. I demanded to speak to his supervisor and he said I could call the 800 number. I called there and got 2 different people who both told me that the mgr was just putting me off and I had to deal with him. They refuse to give out corporate numbers. I am so mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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