REDLANDS, CALIFORNIA -- I've had a bad experience with the nurses being rude and walking away when I was talking to them. I went in for a ** shot but the nurse told me I wasn't due and I was trying to show them from my log in my last date of injection. She became angry and showed me the schedule from a binder on how often ** shots should be given. I was trying to explain that I was aware of schedule but that's when she walked away and then returned to tell me the dates that I was there. I agreed with the date and the last date was when I was given the injection. She clicked on that visit and seen that I received my injection then.
She never apologized and didn't make eye contact with me. Kaiser is supposedly big on preventative care and no co payment when you have a physical. I went in for a physical and was telling the Dr. that I was having pain. I later received a fee for co-payment fee and was told that because I expressed a pain that I was having at that time it no longer became a physical so therefore I was responsible for the $25 co payment. They are trying to take money any way they can and that with the high monthly fees that I already pay.
VACAVILLE, CALIFORNIA -- I have documented multiple, horrid experiences that we have had with KP. Most recently, I took my brother-in-law who has paraplegia, dementia, and mental health issues in to the ER for suicide watch and they placed him in a board and care in the slums of Sacramento. When I went to check on him the next day, he was near death. They didn't treat him, they dropped him in a hell hole to die. I took him back last night and they finally admitted him.
When we were in the ER, the security guys were outside of his door and kept saying out loud, "Crazy," while laughing. Then after that when the doctor said she was going to give him meds to calm him down, they laughed and said, "You are gonna sleep tonight." Like they were making fun of him. When I called this morning to see where they placed him, the ER Admittance said, "He is at Freemont." When I asked if that was the city or the name of the place, she told me to, "Google it," and hung up on me.
He has dementia, yet they refuse to treat him for it, they act like it doesn't exist. He is gravely disabled, yet they continue to put him in a non-assisted living environment where people steal from him, stalk him, scream at him, where there is no supervision, no help, no food, and puts him in an extremely dire and dangerous situation. I have countless of other documented, recent horrible, encounters of their lack of quality care and in fact, abuse of patients. I have tried everything I could think of but am tired and growing weary. I can't fight the giant that is Kaiser.
ATLANTA, GEORGIA -- I am finding that with Kaiser Permanente I am getting a band-aid for my chronic back pain, and I am dismissed by their medical staff if I tell them their efforts are not providing long term care. The system is designed to avoid fixing expensive problems and seems to only put short term band-aids on big issues and they kick the can down the road at the patients' expense.
The cost of their saving money is the pain and suffering of their patients. I wish I had a better option in healthcare but my corporate plan is 2 thousand out of pocket a year or Kaiser Permanente which cost less but you definitely get less care. The issue is how they avoid cost at the suffering of their patients. If you have no healthcare issue, it's a great plan but with chronic pain issues, this is the wrong plan. You will only get a band-aid not a fix for your problems, due to the high cost of providing the best possible outcome for pain. It's not cost effective.
DENVER, COLORADO -- I've been with Kaiser for about three years because of its relative affordability in the healthcare marketplace. Kaiser is competent when it comes to routine, mechanical, procedural healthcare operations, such as prescribing drugs or taking labs. Kaiser utterly fails, however, when it comes to treating illness and caring for its patients. Kaiser doctors are brainwashed to serve the money machine and patients suffer as a result. If you are with Kaiser and you have any real illness, God help you because Kaiser sure as hell won't.
ORANGE, CALIFORNIA -- This story is very hard to get across in words how tragic and desperate we felt but I will try. Two years ago my son was in his 2nd year of college. He developed a drug problem. We had no idea how bad it was and what to do about it. We expected to get guidance from our health care professionals at Kaiser. After all, that is what we have insurance for.
When our son came home after the second year was over, thru various and horrible ways we found out he was abusing drugs. He agreed he had a problem and wanted help. We turned to Kaiser Addiction medicine. They put him in outpatient rehab. We felt that maybe he needed more but we had never dealt with this and did not question their “knowledge”. He attended most meetings, he did miss a few, but he drove himself to and from the meetings on his own. He wanted to be sober.
After a couple of weeks, my husband and I found him unconscious and barely breathing. It was latterly the worst moment of our life. My husband performed CPR until the 911 responders arrived. They shot him in the heart with something to make his heart beat again and start breathing. He was taken to the closest hospital, not a Kaiser hospital. He was there for about 8 hours. The doctor there told us that he needed more treatment than he was getting and he has a serious problem.
When he was stable enough, they moved him to a Kaiser hospital where he stayed for about another 24 hours. We were told he was ok to go home with us. A big red flag went off in both our heads and we knew this was not right. We asked if any psychiatrist had seen him and they said no. We insisted he talk to someone before he left. They called someone in and she had about a 2-minute conversation with him and said "ok he is free to go." Just make an appointment with the addiction doctor. Once again, we did.
The next day my husband took him to the “addiction specialist” (HAHA) and told him what happened and how close to death my son was. The doctor then said something that to this day is unbelievable, he said to my husband AND my son in the same room that death was nothing to him, they deal with it every day and that my son should quit smoking cigarettes. Then he said to our son that he should attend Kaiser's outpatient rehab that meets every day for two weeks. My husband tried to get him into inpatient but the doctor said no. My son at this point was frustrated because he knew what he was doing was not working but we really did not have a choice.
He attended the meetings again, he did miss some. He was a 19-year-old drug addict. But he did attend classes and had us go to classes as well. He was trying. Then, about a week and a half into the everyday rehab, the second overdose happened. Again 911 responders came and gave him something to wake him up. This time he was taken to a Kaiser hospital where he stayed for about 3 or 4 hours then was released. At this point his father and I were begging the doctor to put him into an inpatient rehab. The emergency doctor told us is was not that easy and sent us on our way. My son was still showing effects of being on drugs. It was horrible.
We knew something had to be done and it was up to us. We immediately made plans for my husband to take our son out of state to clean up and get away from the bad habits he had fallen into. They were leaving the next day and it was my job while they were gone to work things out with Kaiser and get him into an inpatient facility that he needed. Our son agreed. He knew he needed help and he felt he was not getting it. He was very discouraged.
They left and the next three days were spent on the phone with Kaiser talking to anyone who would listen and could make the decision to get him into inpatient facility. I kept hearing No and no approval never came. They said the reason was he lacked motivation and missed some outpatient meetings. Well, he is a 19 year old boy addicted to heroin. But the kid CLEARLY is crying out for help. I had some really amazing conversations with the Kaiser doctors. They are completely incompetent when it came to addiction and mental health issues. We were on our own. We are not rich and that leads to a whole different story (http://www.gofundme.com/spwjv4m).
I was blessed enough to find a wonderful place where he attended inpatient rehab for 3 months. He had to learn a lot of things to live a clean and sober life. He got the treatment he needed. He needed daily follow-up care for 9 months. At this young age, they do not have the skills or wisdom to stay on the right track without help. So we did what we had to do to get our son healthy and on his way to a happy, healthy life. I am proud to say he is sober today and has earned himself his personal trainer certification and has a job he likes. We are so happy to have our son back.
No thanks to Kaiser. We submitted all our bills to them and they declined to reimburse us. They said it was because we did not use a Kaiser facility. Well it does not make sense. We tried to go to a Kaiser facility, they said no NUMEROUS times. They gave a different reason. But now, they give us a different reason again. There were so many rude comments and inconsistencies from Kaiser. They just did not care.
When the doctor told my husband and son his little death explanation, I immediately filed a complaint against him. I feel that from then on out he truly did not care what happened to my son and went out of his way to make treating him as difficult as possible. The only thing I could find on this guy was that before Kaiser, he was a family practitioner. Normally, addiction specialists are trained in mental health issues. He was a family practice doctor. He exacted his retribution on us to the tune of the cost of rehab for about a year. Kaiser never paid. We tried to get a lawyer but nobody would take our piddly little case.
It is my opinion that Kaiser does not have its own facility and they would have to pay someone else to treat my son. That is why he was not treated by Kaiser. By sharing our story, it is my hope that you will share this with as many people as possible. Eventually, if enough people who have had similar problems stand up to the health care industry, in particular Kaiser Permanente, there is a hope of changing the way doctors and health care workers deal with and treat an addiction problem.
No person or family should ever have to be treated as we were and struggle to pay bills when we pay for health insurance. The patients' needs should dictate the treatment, not the cost to the insurance company. My son is happy and healthy today and I thank God and pray to him to keep him that way. Thank you for your time.
SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA -- My son struggled with opioid addiction and alcohol addiction for many years. He was able to work as an executive chef in Orange County and buy a home for his young family. It was clear that my son was in need of inpatient care and intervention. The only service that was offered was a 3 week outpatient treatment. I finally got my son up to Northern California to get him the help he needed. The 1st weekend that he was with me Kaiser doctors prescribed 30 10mg ** pills with no warning or consultation. The bottle had no indication how dangerous ** is. My son overdosed on the ** and went into pulmonary arrest. I administered CPR while waiting for the ambulance to come.
He was brought to Kaiser which is about an hour away from my home. I have never met such an incompetent and inhumane group of doctors. I was asked to sign a DNR by a doctor who was in the process of guiding interns through the Intensive Care Unit. No doctor talked to me or shared a prognosis before this doctor's request. I was pressured to move my son to a nursing home or he could be moved to a hospice facility, where he would be starved to death.
Nursing homes affiliated with Kaiser are filthy, understaffed warehouses for those who can't speak for themselves. I pleaded to have at least a month to monitor my son's progress & Kaiser refused. The doctors at Kaiser are given incentives to reduce costs at the expense of patient care. I don't know for certain that my son could have been saved from his addiction, but Kaiser didn't even give him a fighting chance. He trusted Kaiser as his health care provider, to provide professional and appropriate care. He died and I honestly believe that he would have been better off with no health care insurance.
ATLANTA, GEORGIA -- I went in for an annual physical and was told there is no charge for it as well as no charge for flu shot... Okay, fine. I'm in the patient room with my 20 something daughter; we let the doctor know that I have been having some serious hip and shoulder pain (isn't that why you have physicals, to let the doctor know if anything new pops up?) So this woman tells us that she is a nursing mother and her lactating is overdue so the appointment can't take too long; she only has 20 minutes scheduled for the visit.... Oh really, how nice.
So anyway, she orders the MRI for my hip and shoulder and then I get a bill from Kaiser stating because she ordered the test, the physical now becomes an outpatient office visit. I called KP's financial dept and I am disputing it... What doctor tells a patient that they only have so much time for them...This is not health care.
FREMONT, CALIFORNIA -- I started having medical issues starting at least two years ago. I told both of my Fremont Kaiser doctors that my thyroid was off and I could not sleep. They told me it wasn't, and put me on ** and **. And sent me to psychiatrists. I have many other health issues including four shoulder surgeries. Late May, I had many new symptoms, and no doctors, including ER doctors would treat me. I was vomiting, bedridden, my liver hurting, pooping pure blood. I had to go out of network for help. My diagnosis are autoimmune disorder, hypothyroidism, Hepatitis A, ulcerative colitis, multiple left kidney stones.
My own doctor dropped my as a patient, Dr. Sarah **, and then cancelled my medication when it was already ready at pharmacy. When I called member services about the fact she faked a phone appointment with me. Kaiser erased those records. But I printed them already. Kaiser did a fake investigation and said they did nothing wrong. But when I left a message on their phone telling them I know about their arbitration process, they finally after three months called me back. I'm filling out a form with the medical board in a few days, I just got sick again as I have no immunity. I will take this to the President if I have to! Kaiser kills people!
BAKERSFIELD, CALIFORNIA -- Two years ago I was sent out by Kaiser to a local contract doctor to have a total knee replacement. At this time I am still having issues with this knee and need to have this procedure done again but Kaiser wants to send me to another contract facility of their choice.
They have to do this because they have unskilled physicians here, so they want to send me 2 ½ hours south at my expense and I will have to get a relative to take time off from work. I will need to pay for all their expenses while they are waiting for me to be released from the hospital. I wanted Kaiser to send me to a town that I already have relatives and was far less driving distance, but they would not. Because I walk with a bad limp and have to use a cane and a walker, I now have problems with my hips.