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The Worst Experience
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FALLS CHURCH, VIRGINIA -- I really wonder how inhuman can someone be?, doctors treat their patients like we are a bunch of animals, nurses treat everyone like we have no right to ask any questions!!!

How can we stop this???!!! Who should we need to talk and complaint?!
I really don't know where to begin with all the mistreat my husband and I personally received from Kaiser, but I'm pretty sure what I'm going to say is not new to all the people that have Kaiser Permanente as a health insurance specially Falls Church Center. Well, lets start on the calls...whenever I call to make an appointment or just to leave a message to my doctor it takes forever to get to someone that will redirect me and tell me that "in case we get disconnected can I have your number" so like always after 15 min the call is lost, after calling back and have to go through the same standard questions I did before, I finally get to the nurse who gets my number again and puts me on hold to wait for a nurse again... and again the call is lost, one could think that hey I gave her my number twice maybe this time I should just wait for their call...but after two days I finally got the call (this happened 2 times that I waited to see how long it will take them to call me back).

OK well I finally got the appt, got there 15 minutes early, btw I was having severe pain on my lower right side abdomen and began spotting since I was 6 weeks pregnant (3rd time trying) I was really scared that I was having a miscarriage, so once I was there I had to be on the waiting area for 1 hour so exactly 45 minutes from my time of appointment, when the nurse finally called my name I thought "thank goodness! its my turn" but she left us in the room waiting for the nurse for another 50 minutes, when she came in told me to get ready for the Dr and she left as soon as she finished pronouncing the last word... Well I was ready for the Dr, I was having really bad pain by now, after 40 min my husband went to the front desk n told them I was in pain, but the nurses told him that I should've have gone to the ER and that besides the Dr is in his way... They didn't even came to see how I was doing, one came after probably 15 min my husband told them, looked at me and told me the Dr is in his way...

I told her I was in pain and if I should go downstairs to the ER but she said "the Dr is coming just wait" I couldn't believe it!!! No one was doing anything!!! They were laughing outside telling jokes at the front desk...so the Dr showed up after 20 min, but it was a nurse not a Dr like we thought, as soon as she got to the room she said hi n spread my legs apart and told me that she was going to take a sample from the cervix for some test and she was about to use the wrong size of instrument!!!! And it hurt!! Besides she didn't even give us time to say something... so I told her that that wasn't the right size and she told me "but you have kids already, why are you complaining!" what!!!??? I don't have kids, this is my first one. I was so frustrated and upset... Well she finally changed instruments and got the sample and told us the Dr will see us soon... At this time I was crying, hurting and upset, my husband was trying to keep me calm while he was asking her what are the tests for, why no one told us that, I was coming for pain not to check for Chlamydia besides we were tested before we decided to get pregnant both my husband and me...but she didn't pay attention to what he or I were saying...told me to get dressed go downstairs to the laboratory, get some blood test done and wait 1 hour for my results...but we told her that I needed to see the Dr for the pain...and she said "once you have your results come back here in 1 hr" so we went to the lab waited for another 15 min I had the blood and urine test done went outside to the waiting room waited 1 hr went upstairs again...waited another 30 min for a nurse to call my name, took us inside waited 15 min for the nurse who saw me before and she said "OK so why do you want to see the Dr?" I couldn't believe it!!

My husband told her what were my symptoms because I was so frustrated and upset I was crying easily...she said "OK go to Inova Fairfax Hospital to the ER if you are in that much pain" so my husband hold my hand for support and I walked out the room but before, he asked her what was the result on the tests and she said " oh yeah everything is good"...I left Kaiser regretting ever ever getting into their health insurance...I was so mortified. It took us 4 hours and 50 min to find practically nothing. I don't think even our pets are treated this way!!! I don't want to say that they treated us like that because we are Hispanic but that definitely came to my mind...

I'm very sure we are not the only ones that came across to this kind of people, but if my words can help someone, and/or prevent someone to get into Kaiser especially when they are planning for a baby, please take in consideration what I'm writing "Don't get Kaiser" you will regret it. Just to let you all know my baby is fine. I'm now 7 wks but not thanks to Kaiser nor the staff.
Kaiser Sucks
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DENVER, COLORADO -- I was diagnosed in April of 09 with Stage III breast cancer. Little did I know, but Kaiser Oncology FAILED to tell me that the type of breast cancer that I suffer from is called a Triple Negative and is rare and aggressive. The one thing that they did right was to treat me with chemotherapy first (which shrunk my tumor), but they NEVER told me any details about my cancer. When I asked if it was estrogen positive, all I got was a "no" and sent off to chemo treatment. The oncologist always rushed us and never gave my husband or me any clear answers. When I finished my chemo treatments in November of 09 I asked what my prognosis would be. All I got from the oncologist was, "I don't know. We won't know until we do surgery." No support whatsoever! I made an appointment in early Nov with the surgeon to discuss my mastectomy and she "informed" me of what "they" were going to do for my reconstruction. No options...Just one procedure. When I started doing research, I didn't like the butcher job that they were proposing, so I asked questions. The surgeon told me that I could not have breast implants as I was to have radiation and they couldn't do tissue expanders due to radiated skin. I kept asking questions, which started to tick her off. I asked for a consult with the plastic surgeon and he told me that tissue expanders would not work with radiated skin (he had spoken with the surgeon prior to my visit). When I asked about the TRAM flap procedure (a tummy tuck and use of abdominal muscles for breast reconstruction), I said that I would look like a patchwork quilt and he said "yes" without any hesitation! He treated me like crap. My husband asked if there was anyone in Colorado that did do breast implants and he thought that there was "some guy up North". My current plastic surgeon (NOT related to Kaiser) is a half a block to the south and has been doing breast implants on radiated skin for years! The Kaiser plastic surgeon then asked me if we had any other questions, told us that he was late for his next appt (which he was late for mine and didn't give me the full hour I was promised) and then told us (very sarcastically) "Good luck". I went to work the next day, made appointments with a new plastic surgeon, a new oncologist and had a referral to a new general surgeon. I then switched my insurance to United Health Care (thank God for open enrollment). I then finished my chemo on the 23rd of Nov. I visited the radiologist oncologist (through Kaiser) and he said the same thing...Can't do breast implants with radiated skin and then proceeded to give me information for support groups and counseling (which I NEVER got since I was first diagnosed...Too little too late). I went home and cancelled my surgery for December. The general surgeon was such a chicken that she didn't want to call and find out for herself why I had cancelled; she waited for her nurse to get back from vacation (over a week later) to call and grill me. Then she had the oncologist call and grill me some more. I told them that I had switched insurances and that I would not be having surgery until after the first of the year. I am very happy to report that I had a double mastectomy on Feb 10th and I have been given such EXCELLENT treatment by United Health Care. They have called me and referred me for counseling and checked on me frequently. Kaiser is the worst possible place to be treated for cancer (in Denver, at least). I have had two other women come to me to discuss their breast cancer treatment with Kaiser and neither one has been good. Enough is enough!
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Kaiser Is an Assembly Line With Low Standards
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SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA -- Kaiser mishandled my father's last week of life and the process leading up to this. They violated their pain management care claim as stated in their handbook which is basically false advertising and misrepresentation of what actually goes on once inside chaotic Kaiser care. My father suffered a very painful death all because of their lack of urgency, lack of prescribing the correct pain medication and many other incidences that were not monitored by my father's oncologist and medical team. Once on hospice the hospice nurses were negligent in effectively monitoring my father's pain and he basically was bleeding to death from his rectum. At one point I called "Gio" on Santa Teresa hospital's supervisor line. Gio said that he could not get a hospice nurse out to see my father for another 3 hours. This is while my father lay there bleeding profusely in pain. It took a call to my father's attorney and a threat to sue for Kaiser to get a hospice nurse to my father sooner and to get him situated and prepared to die with dignity. Should people have to do this to get healthcare staff to do their jobs?

Next, my brother also was recently diagnosed with colon cancer and wanted specific information about his upcoming surgery. Kaiser states this and on Dr. Wright's (his former surgeon's) website he clearly states how he likes to ease the comfort of his patients as surgery can be a daunting experience. Dr. Wright had misread my brother's chart on more than one occasion, and later with specifics about the surgery. This was a concern so more questions were asked of this Dr. to ease my brother's mind about the procedure. After a few hours Dr. Wright called my brother stating it be best that he have another surgeon perform this procedure. What kind of doctor doesn't have the integrity to finish what he started? What a loser to just walk away at the last minute when he is just being asked to do his job and ease the patient's mind for an upcoming procedure. Providing more information is too much sweat off of Wright's brow? Wright is clearly Wrong just as my father's oncologist Dr. Kwong was wrong. Fascinating how the names connect so well with these experiences. It's easy to make jokes of the care or lack of, at Kaiser. They must take the rejects from more reputable healthcare groups. I don't have Kaiser and I will not lower myself to a place which operates below standard. I am fortunate I have a choice.

I will surely stand up for family and friends who have Kaiser. They are easy to outsmart and not very bright, and quite irresponsible to just name a few....and these are their good qualities.
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I Am an Abused Volunteer- KP Ignored Facts and Threatened to Sue Me
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Rating: 1/51
PANORAMA CITY VOLUNTEER, CALIFORNIA -- Volunteer abuse-humiliation-baited- here is the rsvp from the CEO- a letter from the legal dept threatening me with retaliation-revenge actually 6-17-12 should you have proof that what I have reported is untrue submit by noon June 21,2012 or this will be posted as promised---if you disagree now is the time to say so--- KP has had over 8 months to investigate-now it is your turn to be investigated-sorry it is your choice.

Ceo have you lost control of your company. Do you have any respect for victims of humiliation in your corp that are seniors & for 4 years and play with your job? I received a call from Gale, who doesn’t know how to speak up or leave a definitive message. She said I was getting a letter and carefully do what it says??- Good bye good luck.

6-2-12 just courtesy reminder—if someone else reads this letter would you be proud of the handling thus far including your non response and why not, since volunteers have a right to know the abusers and good organizations that are safe? KP set a record in fines for confidentiality will CEO ??????? Have the same honor in violating a volunteer of 4 years civil and human rights—not even common courtesy—your choice- my job is done and way to lenient would you be so lenient with me ---Micelle was not- actually abusive. The end if you want it that way or not. Out of my hands comes June 4 week.

May 15 , 2012
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Kaiser Permanente
1 Kaiser Plaza Oakland, California 94612
Phone: 510-271-5953 Fax: 510-271-6493

re: deplorable treatment of senior volunteer- “bullying” humiliation, Oct 17, 2011. Panorama City pharmacy n3. Sorry for this contact but hopeful of resolution.
This situation has no dignity or values of KP and surely embarrasses all of KP I wish to bring to your attention, numerous deplorable acts on me as a 4 year senior volunteer at Panorama City Facility. Especially arrogant attitude of managers to act equally for justice and to ascertain factual accounts and base a decision on the merit of the complaint or the employee’s action.

In order to capsulize these events: I was set upon by Michelle, in pharmacy 3 n---- she followed and antagonized me in three separate instances and “screamed” in my face. Finally, she tracked me from the supply room where she pushed a cart into the shelves near me as I removed an eyelash clouding my vision and did the same while I read the bulletin board and finally to the other side of the pharmacy approximately 30-35 feet. She actually pursued me. She screamed---type that she lurched forward at me and lowly screamed in my face—she was trying to bait me into a fight with contact but I disappointed her--sounds odd but it's 100% true--just not audible throughout the room. Security cameras!! In addition I was in resource management and at least 6 rn’s can vouch for my demeanor and even improvements, I made several suggestions that resulted in better archived files, more functional meeting room and accuracy of work file and pick up point for tasks for me.

Eve-ng- vol dir allowed a tottering older woman to have her personal dog at a KP Banquet where capacity was overflowing with over 500-600 people---the woman even tripped and fell into the carving station ----this is the kind of bias and mindless decisions that permeate KP---unless you are chosen-
why bother you with such trivia…well to illustrate the culture of arrogance that even includes managers, employees and gender baiting all sources have been exhausted. There are no scruples of KP that KP can be proud of in this activity
I thought KP had a policy of non – retaliation and fairness—it is not being exhibited to show you this. I stated that I would prefer to have the door open in the resources office as it has been for over 3 years—I was thoroughly screeched at by one of your director/a manager practically slammed the door --- KP is so blind to old volunteers as to miss this implication---of course you get it----suppose a young woman said that, what should the manager have done????? Enough my focus is on Micelle’s cohort’s aggressive and erratic/belligerent behavior in pharmacy n3 –
respectfully submitted for your consideration. Please by June 1 2012, appreciate it.

excerpt of my letter to KP editied for space---ever hear of a company threatening a volunteer attacked on the job with legal action---KP did-imagine I was threatened by the legal dept for reporting abuse-vol director is humorless, contentious and vindicative and is the CEO---see their response---none???? Except more threats to me.
Kaiser is the worst
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Happy With Kaiser Permanente
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It's Funny over the last few years I have found myself using reviews more and more to help me make decisions on everything from purchases to places to eat and not once did it ever occur to me to complete a review myself.

So bare with me people, this is my first one. So it's 3 days before the end of open season I am going through the grueling process of looking for a new health insurance provider which I have done for the second time now and I am frustrated and annoyed because I don't want to switch insurance companies......

I have been with Kaiser Permanente for almost 15 years I have three great child and they have grown up with KP. I know that you hear so many bad news stories but this is a good news story and I just wanted to share.

Just like any organization or business you frequent all it take are a few bad apples to spoil it for the bunch and I have see 1 or two bad apples at KP but in comparison to the many great apples that I have seen at KP there are no comparisons.

My youngest who I will call my Miracle baby was born with more than a few medical problems but under the watch of KP practitioners who would not give up on him, 9 years later you would never know that he had such a rocky 1st year and they have been there ever since.

I took ill myself and the care and concern that I received from the KP doctors and staff has been amazing. Okay so like I said there are a few bad apples..... so my illness causes me to have frequent broken bones and on this particular evening I had broken my foot for the 3rd or 4th time and I was in the waiting room waiting to be seen. I was in pain my foot was swollen and obviously broken to the naked eye. I had only been sitting there for about 1hr. )-:

So in walks my doctor on the same evening who just happened to be sick himself and wanted to be seen for a very bad cough.

He proceeds to walk over looks at my foot and ask how long had I been waiting and immediately has me in a wheelchair and whisked off to get my foot reset...good apple.

okay..... okay.... I know so if KP is soooo great why am I leaving? I know that's my dilemma for the last two years I have been commuting to work and now the closes KP is 10 hrs away and my health is still an issue and I have been missing a few appointments. (not good!)

So it is with regret that I have to give KP up. I pray that I find an Insurance provider that have nurses that will stay on the phone with me until my questions get answers, that have doctors that call me back when I have a concerns. Receptionist that realize that I'm not just another body in there waiting room but that I am a person and finally an insurance company that gives me the care and services I pay for without sending me through a bunch of hoops.

That was just my experience with KP and for those of you who have not had good experience with them I hope you have better luck with them in the future. FYI I have visited there office in MD, CA, GA, DC,& VA .
To Save Money,get Kaiser Prescription Filled At Costco Or Walmart
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SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA -- My wife and I are life long Kaiser members and medicare part d participants, so you can imagine the shock we experienced when we learned that we can (and now do) get all of our prescriptions filled at either Costco or Walmart.

When I filed a grievance, Kaiser responded that these stores charge lower prices to get customers "in the door". Is not Kaiser getting millions in medicare part d funds? I am going to list the specific drugs my wife and I use; the price comparisons are based on prices quoted by Kaiser, as well as prices we are now paying at Costco. We require medications for blood pressure, diabetes and cholesterol. Keep in mind that any customer at Costco can get these prices; no special membership is required other than what all customers are required to do to be eligible to shop there: please note that all drugs are the same dosage, and same quantity.

Price comparison of prescription drugs at

generic drug Costco Kaiser difference
1)amlodpine 8.32 19.80 11.48
2)Lovastatin 10.83 20. 9.17
3)Glipizide 14.36 20. 5.64
4)Metformin 6.60 20. 13.40
5)Atenolol 6.50 10. 3.50
6)Lisinopril 7.91 19.60 11.69

Please note that with items 1,4 & 6, the Kaiser charge was twice what Costco charged.
I have to say, I really like Kaiser!
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SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA -- I grew up in Sacramento, California, and we had Kaiser insurance my whole life. Back in those days, I remember waiting for literally hours to see my doctor... It was pretty bad, but it was also because their system was so completely overloaded... They had too many people for the hospital and clinics they had.

Now I'm all grown up, and although I work in San Jose, I live 60 miles away. My choices for insurance were Kaiser or a PPO that I would have to come into San Jose to see a doctor. I chose Kaiser because they have Hospitals and clinics pretty close to my home.

In the 19 years that I have had Kaiser on my own, I have no real complaints. I have never had to wait long enough to finish a magazine article when I go see my doctor or a specialist. The longest I have ever waited was for a blood draw, but the lab waiting room was packed! When I saw how many people were in front of me, I thought I'd be there all day, but it turned out to be about 45 minutes.

My wife is an OB/GYN Nurse Practitioner, and she knows a lot about Kaiser. (She has never worked for them, but she does know quite a few nurses and doctors who do) She says that she likes Kaiser because it's so convenient and easy to get what you want from them. It does take a little effort on your part to work their system, but the Advice Nurse that you call into for questions or treatment has the ability to get you in to almost any specialist very quickly. ( A tip when talking to the Advice Nurse, you don't want to be macho and downplay your problem. Their questions are directed at you to screen whether you need immediate treatment or just a routine doctor visit with your PCP (Primary Care Physician) If you want to be seen today, there are frequently "code words" that if they hear them, they will schedule you for an almost immediate appointment... (It helps for me when my wife tells me to call the advice nurse, and be sure and say "Blah, blah, blah" But even if you don't know these code words, you can usually guess what kind of thing would trigger them to get you in right away... Say those things!)

I have had a few health issues over the years, and I can say that I am extremely happy to have had Kaiser. I got into a motorcycle accident five years ago, and I was in hospitals for about two months. The first 5 days I was in San Jose Trauma, and the bill from them was over $100,000. And they didn't do all that much besides dope me up and stabilize me... I had to have two hand surgeries, and over a month of rehab in the Vallejo rehab hospital. If I had the PPO insurance, that accident would've left me broke.

They just built a brand new hospital right at our little town's border, and it's really great. I have been to their emergency room twice, and the service has been excellent and very quick. If I was ever considering another job, one of my questions would be if Kaiser insurance was available. If not, I probably wouldn't go. :)
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Kaiser Permanente Sucks
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ATLANTA, GEORGIA -- I went in for an annual physical and was told there is no charge for it as well as no charge for flu shot...Okay, fine. I'm in the patient room with my 20 something daughter; we let the doctor know that I have been having some serious hip and shoulder pain (isn't that why you have physicals, to let the doctor know if anything new pops up?) So this woman tells us that she is a nursing mother and her lactating is over due so the appointment can't take too long; she only has 20 minutes scheduled for the visit.... Oh really, how nice. So anyway, she orders the MRI for my hip and shoulder and then I get a bill from Kaiser stating because she ordered the test, the physical now becomes an outpatient office visit. I called KP's financial dept and I am disputing it...What doctor tells a patient that they only have so much time for them...This is not health care.
False Patient Summary
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Date: 09/07/2011

I left my primary physician at KAISER PERMANENTE the morning of only to find out after getting a physical for Life Insurance and in spite of my labs coming back PERFECT that based on the industry standard BMI Chart (Body Mass Index) which is a pre-determined standard on one's body fat based on height/weight ratio, I was deemed OBESE, and my life insurance will now by eye-gouged due to such.

So, back to the BMI, because I am 5'10" 214LBS, yes, they wrote me as obese. And because I'm this weight is in direct proportion of training 3-5 days a week of high resistance conditioning (last 10 years) as I'm TRYING TO GAIN WEIGHT in which the above mentioned physician refused to address in my permanent medical record; which underwriters all have access to, and refused to refer me to get an actual body fat test conducted.

Now, while one may think how innocent a BMI chart is, let me catch you and the rest of the world up-to-speed. The BMI is "Industry Standard" which Life Insurance Co. (and others) go by, and regardless if you were truly only at 14% body fat and in EXCELLENT condition, if you fall within the box you fall within, this is the speculative predetermined evaluation.

So, on ones medical record, this BMI which is complete speculation, is a fact on one's record all for a Life Insurance to go by, so they can further jack up one's premium.

Below is a chain e-mail between me and my doctor getting into it; as e-mail is the only way to speak with a doctor/nurse; which is something I've NEVER experienced. Christ, I feel like a care at a Jiffy Lube with these douchebags.


RE: My BMI resultPrinter-friendly version To:
Larry Bucher Jr.


09/09/2011 4:36 PM

Your BMI concern does not warrant a referral to a specialist.
You can seek a second opinion from another physician. Just call appointment center.

----- Message -----
Sent: 9/9/11 02:46 PM
Subject: RE: My BMI result

You already made it clear that you could not deleate BMI! Am I missing something here?!

I said I NEED for you to note in MY medical report within the BMI data that the BMI is in direct relation to muscle mass/training and in no way related to obesity. Again, am I missing something? Then there's no need to send any letters out- it's all in my report/summary.

But we could too, and more sensably REFER me to get an actual test done from an ACE certified trainer or another physician/nurse as so to not "speculate" my true BMI. All I want, as well as the rest of my medical information, is to be ACCURATE.- LB

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Sent: 09/09/2011 1:08 PM
To: Larry Bucher Jr.
Subject: RE: My BMI result

I am unable to alter medical record and delete BMI!
If you want me to write you a letter to life insurance that you are applying for and for me to state that in my opinion, I think your elevate BMI is from muscle mass 2nd body training, I am more than happy to do so.

----- Message -----
Sent: 9/8/11 07:44 PM
Subject: RE: My BMI result

Dr. Chu, while I can appreciate your position with this, I'm asking you do likewise with me, and while you never put "obese," however the BMI score of 30.71 in-of-itself is an obese measurement.

If you can not conduct a skinfold test within your office, then I request an outside referral, or on your own fruition a note in these reports that I am athletic built; addressing the BMI diagnosis.


L. Bucher

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Sent: 09/08/2011 3:27 PM
To: Larry Bucher Jr.
Subject: RE: My BMI result

Unfortunately we do not have skinfold thickness measurement or bioelectrical impedance testing.
We can not remove BMI.
However, I never put diagnosis of obesity as your medical condition.

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Sent: 9/8/11 10:30 AM
Subject: My BMI result

Dr. Chu, I am requesting that a skinfold thickness measurements, or a bioelectrical impedance test be done on me. I REFUSE to let underwriters for my life insurance (based on this ridiculous BMI chart which does not take into account athletes), use this information which is nothing short of preposterous.

My medical records are for accurate information; not speculative. Either remove the BMI info as "obese" from my record altogether or accurately test my body fat.


Lawrence Bucher

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