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The Worst Experience
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FALLS CHURCH, VIRGINIA -- I really wonder how inhuman can someone be?, doctors treat their patients like we are a bunch of animals, nurses treat everyone like we have no right to ask any questions!!!

How can we stop this???!!! Who should we need to talk and complaint?!
I really don't know where to begin with all the mistreat my husband and I personally received from Kaiser, but I'm pretty sure what I'm going to say is not new to all the people that have Kaiser Permanente as a health insurance specially Falls Church Center. Well, lets start on the calls...whenever I call to make an appointment or just to leave a message to my doctor it takes forever to get to someone that will redirect me and tell me that "in case we get disconnected can I have your number" so like always after 15 min the call is lost, after calling back and have to go through the same standard questions I did before, I finally get to the nurse who gets my number again and puts me on hold to wait for a nurse again... and again the call is lost, one could think that hey I gave her my number twice maybe this time I should just wait for their call...but after two days I finally got the call (this happened 2 times that I waited to see how long it will take them to call me back).

OK well I finally got the appt, got there 15 minutes early, btw I was having severe pain on my lower right side abdomen and began spotting since I was 6 weeks pregnant (3rd time trying) I was really scared that I was having a miscarriage, so once I was there I had to be on the waiting area for 1 hour so exactly 45 minutes from my time of appointment, when the nurse finally called my name I thought "thank goodness! its my turn" but she left us in the room waiting for the nurse for another 50 minutes, when she came in told me to get ready for the Dr and she left as soon as she finished pronouncing the last word... Well I was ready for the Dr, I was having really bad pain by now, after 40 min my husband went to the front desk n told them I was in pain, but the nurses told him that I should've have gone to the ER and that besides the Dr is in his way... They didn't even came to see how I was doing, one came after probably 15 min my husband told them, looked at me and told me the Dr is in his way...

I told her I was in pain and if I should go downstairs to the ER but she said "the Dr is coming just wait" I couldn't believe it!!! No one was doing anything!!! They were laughing outside telling jokes at the front desk...so the Dr showed up after 20 min, but it was a nurse not a Dr like we thought, as soon as she got to the room she said hi n spread my legs apart and told me that she was going to take a sample from the cervix for some test and she was about to use the wrong size of instrument!!!! And it hurt!! Besides she didn't even give us time to say something... so I told her that that wasn't the right size and she told me "but you have kids already, why are you complaining!" what!!!??? I don't have kids, this is my first one. I was so frustrated and upset... Well she finally changed instruments and got the sample and told us the Dr will see us soon... At this time I was crying, hurting and upset, my husband was trying to keep me calm while he was asking her what are the tests for, why no one told us that, I was coming for pain not to check for Chlamydia besides we were tested before we decided to get pregnant both my husband and me...but she didn't pay attention to what he or I were saying...told me to get dressed go downstairs to the laboratory, get some blood test done and wait 1 hour for my results...but we told her that I needed to see the Dr for the pain...and she said "once you have your results come back here in 1 hr" so we went to the lab waited for another 15 min I had the blood and urine test done went outside to the waiting room waited 1 hr went upstairs again...waited another 30 min for a nurse to call my name, took us inside waited 15 min for the nurse who saw me before and she said "OK so why do you want to see the Dr?" I couldn't believe it!!

My husband told her what were my symptoms because I was so frustrated and upset I was crying easily...she said "OK go to Inova Fairfax Hospital to the ER if you are in that much pain" so my husband hold my hand for support and I walked out the room but before, he asked her what was the result on the tests and she said " oh yeah everything is good"...I left Kaiser regretting ever ever getting into their health insurance...I was so mortified. It took us 4 hours and 50 min to find practically nothing. I don't think even our pets are treated this way!!! I don't want to say that they treated us like that because we are Hispanic but that definitely came to my mind...

I'm very sure we are not the only ones that came across to this kind of people, but if my words can help someone, and/or prevent someone to get into Kaiser especially when they are planning for a baby, please take in consideration what I'm writing "Don't get Kaiser" you will regret it. Just to let you all know my baby is fine. I'm now 7 wks but not thanks to Kaiser nor the staff.
     
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Disaster Worker on 2009-04-21:
Wow. What an experience. I wrote a review on the horrible Dr. Hwang in the DFW area a few months ago after we waited almost 4 hours for nothing. (I almost got arrested for asking why it was taking so long.)

Many years ago, I believe back in 1990, a friend of mine had an abnormal mammogram. Kaiser was her healthcare provider as well, and when it turned out she had stage II breast cancer, they tried not approving her for chemo/radiation. She had to retain an attorney just to get Kaiser to do what was right. I had hoped Kaiser had gotten better since the 1990's in their care, but obviously, I was mistaken.

How did everything turn out? Are you alright now?

--The Medic
DRVROFRED on 2009-04-21:
I watched a documentary a few years back on this type of insurance. It's like herding cattle and getting a certain quota of patience in and out without much regard for the actual health problem. My dad had it for a while and when he got an infected gall bladder he almost died in their hospital and ER. My sister and I did most of the nursing and always getting someone in his room since they never answered the call button. It was a 5 month nightmare getting him admitted and then they would discharge him even though he was still sick. He is now doing better and under a new insurance and I do understand the trauma you went through. Several times we sat with my dad in the ER for hours at a time in those tiny plastic chairs. He had no place to lay down. I am so glad to hear your doing better and congrats on your new member of the family. I wish you all good health and a great time making awesome family memories. God Bless!
Disaster Worker on 2009-04-21:
Wow, DRVROFRED! Did it really get you when they billed your Dad for "nursing care" when they should have paid you?? I was a nurse many years ago (now on the EMS side), and we would have never dreamed of treating a patient the way your father and family were treated. Poor patient care is inexcusible. I'm so glad your father is better now!!!
DRVROFRED on 2009-04-22:
Thanks DW,He's doing good. I am so thankful for the compassionate heart you seem to have and for others like you. I know you have a difficult job. Too bad the unprofessional/uncareing are left to care for peoples loved ones and they get away with it. Good point also. I didn't think of reversing the bill back to them. Wish I'd thought of that. Thanks for being someone out there that cares for the health and wellbeing of people. Good for you.
BokiBean on 2009-04-22:
FRED - you're a good man, Charlie Brown.
monta on 2009-06-10:
I have always believed that part of medicine is care and concern.Going to KP is like going to your auto mechanic. My Doctor doesn't know my name nor does he care to. KP is probably good at stitches but pity the poor soul with depression.
heart broken on 2012-10-06:
I lost someone very close to me recently due to misdiagnosis and neglect from all the staff @ Kaiser Permanente. None of the doctors, specialists, nurses, administration, nobody cared and they were incompetent, unprofessional, unethical, and illegal. I can not believe that these hospitals exist!!
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Kaiser Sucks
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DENVER, COLORADO -- I was diagnosed in April of 09 with Stage III breast cancer. Little did I know, but Kaiser Oncology FAILED to tell me that the type of breast cancer that I suffer from is called a Triple Negative and is rare and aggressive. The one thing that they did right was to treat me with chemotherapy first (which shrunk my tumor), but they NEVER told me any details about my cancer. When I asked if it was estrogen positive, all I got was a "no" and sent off to chemo treatment. The oncologist always rushed us and never gave my husband or me any clear answers. When I finished my chemo treatments in November of 09 I asked what my prognosis would be. All I got from the oncologist was, "I don't know. We won't know until we do surgery." No support whatsoever! I made an appointment in early Nov with the surgeon to discuss my mastectomy and she "informed" me of what "they" were going to do for my reconstruction. No options...Just one procedure. When I started doing research, I didn't like the butcher job that they were proposing, so I asked questions. The surgeon told me that I could not have breast implants as I was to have radiation and they couldn't do tissue expanders due to radiated skin. I kept asking questions, which started to tick her off. I asked for a consult with the plastic surgeon and he told me that tissue expanders would not work with radiated skin (he had spoken with the surgeon prior to my visit). When I asked about the TRAM flap procedure (a tummy tuck and use of abdominal muscles for breast reconstruction), I said that I would look like a patchwork quilt and he said "yes" without any hesitation! He treated me like crap. My husband asked if there was anyone in Colorado that did do breast implants and he thought that there was "some guy up North". My current plastic surgeon (NOT related to Kaiser) is a half a block to the south and has been doing breast implants on radiated skin for years! The Kaiser plastic surgeon then asked me if we had any other questions, told us that he was late for his next appt (which he was late for mine and didn't give me the full hour I was promised) and then told us (very sarcastically) "Good luck". I went to work the next day, made appointments with a new plastic surgeon, a new oncologist and had a referral to a new general surgeon. I then switched my insurance to United Health Care (thank God for open enrollment). I then finished my chemo on the 23rd of Nov. I visited the radiologist oncologist (through Kaiser) and he said the same thing...Can't do breast implants with radiated skin and then proceeded to give me information for support groups and counseling (which I NEVER got since I was first diagnosed...Too little too late). I went home and cancelled my surgery for December. The general surgeon was such a chicken that she didn't want to call and find out for herself why I had cancelled; she waited for her nurse to get back from vacation (over a week later) to call and grill me. Then she had the oncologist call and grill me some more. I told them that I had switched insurances and that I would not be having surgery until after the first of the year. I am very happy to report that I had a double mastectomy on Feb 10th and I have been given such EXCELLENT treatment by United Health Care. They have called me and referred me for counseling and checked on me frequently. Kaiser is the worst possible place to be treated for cancer (in Denver, at least). I have had two other women come to me to discuss their breast cancer treatment with Kaiser and neither one has been good. Enough is enough!
     
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Skye on 2010-06-04:
I'm sorry you had to go through this cancer, and that Kaiser wasn't there for you. They were so good to my sister, who at 30, last year, had a double masectomy and reconstructive surgery. It was a horrible time for her and our entire family, and I hope you will also have better days ahead.
clutzycook on 2010-06-04:
I'm sorry this happened to you but I'm glad that you were finally able to get adequate care. Unfortunately, there are some physicians who apparently were home sick the day that bedside manner was taught in their med school.
Xylie on 2010-11-13:
Good for you.We don't have to take what they dish out to us.My sister had cancer 6 yrs ago and I matched and we did a stem cell for the non hodgekins {SP} lymphoma. {Denver,Colorado} They got way more than they needed,but she does have a ample supply should she need another one down the rd in case I get killed or something.Anyway,she has been cancer free ever since.But of course has all the crappy things that do go with it.But they asked questions too,and I am so glad you pushed the issue.It's your body,and I don't blame you.It's bad enough to have that god awful cancer,then to have attitude from your caretakers is unacceptable.And to rush you through like cattle,tells me they were only interested in the $$ and not the well-being of their patients concerns.Good for you for helping others to speak up and say no,that's isn't what I want!God Bless and keep you!
sam35 on 2011-02-17:
When you have Cancer or sick with anything you don't need any more stress ! Iam sure it just make everything worse . I hate Kaiser , If it was free I
still would not go their . But I have had skin Cancer twice . Once with blue cross , Wear they wanted $2.000 before they would even look at Me .
They worked on me for one hour and the total bill
was almost $5.000 ! I needed a skin graff but they did do a nice job in a timely manor . The other time I just paid a Doctor cash .Wear He spend-ed 4-5 hours on Me, did all lab test,and did
a very nice job for about $500. ! Iam a Veteran
so if it ever get real bad I will go their and Iam sure they will help me for cheap ! The V.A is
far better than Kaiser or blue cross for cheap .
And maybe for free depending on how you rate in their system !
mikem on 2012-03-22:
I was on chemo and they didn't monitor me or anything almost died cause had bad effectso f chemo, BP at 200/135 they did nothing, no telling how long it was that high. water in my stomach they ddin't want to check it out. neuropathy now cause of chemo and a lot of other sides 2 yrs later. worst insurance I ever had and the worst dr's, if you go in for a cold its OK, but something complicated I feel bad for ppl who have to go to these dr's, they just don't care. they black listed me when I made a complaint so would have to pay my copay and the doc would come in go straight to the computer and never say a word give me a paper and leave. I thought he was coming back and he never did. canceled my insurance quicly after that.
Launie on 2014-02-01:
Worst experience I've ever had @Kaiser.Treated like a dog! Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma 3rd /Follicular/Indolent Small B cell-Severe reactions Bendamustine Rituximab and abandoned by oncologist.Body attacked by OA after 2 days infused.Unable to walk one day and arm not functioning Neuropathy loss of balance PAIN-bone muscle nerve joints memory/multitasking issues vision issues skin and pad sensitivity fever muscle cramps incontinence fatigue I'm sure I've forgotten something.Feel like I'm going crippled 10 monthes out of chemo-bendamustine/rituximab Changed insurance now -Wish me luck! Love n Light
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Kaiser is the worst
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STOCKTON, CALIFORNIA -- MY FOOT DOCTOR, DR LAGAY TOLD ME I NEEDED FOOT SURGERY, I HAVE ARTHRITIS ON THE FOOT. I DID HAVE THE SURGERY. THE CORNER BONE DID NOT FUSE. I SAW ANOTHER KAISER FOOT SPECIALIST. HE SAID I SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAD HAD FOOT SURGERY BECAUSE THE BONE NEVER FUSES ON THE CORNER. I ASKED HIM WHY DR LAGAAY DID THAT SURGERY, HE SAID HE DID NOT KNOW. I BELIEVE THEY EXPERIMENT WITH PEOPLE'S BODIES. I STILL HAVE PAIN ON THE FOOT. KAISER HAS THE WORST DOCTORS EVER.
     
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Kurizumaru on 2011-04-14:
Have you talked with the office to find out why they performed unnecessary surgery? Also, I'm not sure what Goku has to do with this.
Skye on 2011-04-15:
The best thing to do, whenever you are told you need any type of surgery, is to ALWAYS get another opinion, even a third opinion.

Sorry your surgery did not come out as you expected.
JoLynn Maleah on 2013-07-27:
When I was 16 my parents were told by a Kaiser orthopedic surgeon that I needed to have a foot surgery that was necessary. They were told that if I did not have it at that time it would be necessary to have it at a later time. I did ask my father if we cold seek a second opinion. He believed the reputable surgeon who happened to be a Harvard graduate. Over the years the surgery fell apart and I am now have a disabling foot condition (do not receive disability) I was told by another foot doctor the Kaiser did a lot of "banding" in the 60's and many people had crippled feet like mine due to this long standing practice.
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Kaiser Is an Assembly Line With Low Standards
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SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA -- Kaiser mishandled my father's last week of life and the process leading up to this. They violated their pain management care claim as stated in their handbook which is basically false advertising and misrepresentation of what actually goes on once inside chaotic Kaiser care. My father suffered a very painful death all because of their lack of urgency, lack of prescribing the correct pain medication and many other incidences that were not monitored by my father's oncologist and medical team. Once on hospice the hospice nurses were negligent in effectively monitoring my father's pain and he basically was bleeding to death from his rectum. At one point I called "Gio" on Santa Teresa hospital's supervisor line. Gio said that he could not get a hospice nurse out to see my father for another 3 hours. This is while my father lay there bleeding profusely in pain. It took a call to my father's attorney and a threat to sue for Kaiser to get a hospice nurse to my father sooner and to get him situated and prepared to die with dignity. Should people have to do this to get healthcare staff to do their jobs?

Next, my brother also was recently diagnosed with colon cancer and wanted specific information about his upcoming surgery. Kaiser states this and on Dr. Wright's (his former surgeon's) website he clearly states how he likes to ease the comfort of his patients as surgery can be a daunting experience. Dr. Wright had misread my brother's chart on more than one occasion, and later with specifics about the surgery. This was a concern so more questions were asked of this Dr. to ease my brother's mind about the procedure. After a few hours Dr. Wright called my brother stating it be best that he have another surgeon perform this procedure. What kind of doctor doesn't have the integrity to finish what he started? What a loser to just walk away at the last minute when he is just being asked to do his job and ease the patient's mind for an upcoming procedure. Providing more information is too much sweat off of Wright's brow? Wright is clearly Wrong just as my father's oncologist Dr. Kwong was wrong. Fascinating how the names connect so well with these experiences. It's easy to make jokes of the care or lack of, at Kaiser. They must take the rejects from more reputable healthcare groups. I don't have Kaiser and I will not lower myself to a place which operates below standard. I am fortunate I have a choice.

I will surely stand up for family and friends who have Kaiser. They are easy to outsmart and not very bright, and quite irresponsible to just name a few....and these are their good qualities.
     
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Kelly on 2014-06-14:
These Kaiser doctors are shills for big Pharma. They will write prescriptions like giving out Halloween candy. There is no incentive for natural cures or remedies although herbal treatments have been proven to be more effective for many things. These Docs have zero knowledge of such treatments. Be very careful, this organization, is why we rank so low in the world regarding health care. You are just a wallet to be shaken...period.
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I Am an Abused Volunteer- KP Ignored Facts and Threatened to Sue Me
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PANORAMA CITY VOLUNTEER, CALIFORNIA -- Volunteer abuse-humiliation-baited- here is the rsvp from the CEO- a letter from the legal dept threatening me with retaliation-revenge actually 6-17-12 should you have proof that what I have reported is untrue submit by noon June 21,2012 or this will be posted as promised---if you disagree now is the time to say so--- KP has had over 8 months to investigate-now it is your turn to be investigated-sorry it is your choice.

Ceo have you lost control of your company. Do you have any respect for victims of humiliation in your corp that are seniors & for 4 years and play with your job? I received a call from Gale, who doesn’t know how to speak up or leave a definitive message. She said I was getting a letter and carefully do what it says??- Good bye good luck.

6-2-12 just courtesy reminder—if someone else reads this letter would you be proud of the handling thus far including your non response and why not, since volunteers have a right to know the abusers and good organizations that are safe? KP set a record in fines for confidentiality will CEO ??????? Have the same honor in violating a volunteer of 4 years civil and human rights—not even common courtesy—your choice- my job is done and way to lenient would you be so lenient with me ---Micelle was not- actually abusive. The end if you want it that way or not. Out of my hands comes June 4 week.

May 15 , 2012
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Kaiser Permanente
1 Kaiser Plaza Oakland, California 94612
Phone: 510-271-5953 Fax: 510-271-6493

re: deplorable treatment of senior volunteer- “bullying” humiliation, Oct 17, 2011. Panorama City pharmacy n3. Sorry for this contact but hopeful of resolution.
This situation has no dignity or values of KP and surely embarrasses all of KP I wish to bring to your attention, numerous deplorable acts on me as a 4 year senior volunteer at Panorama City Facility. Especially arrogant attitude of managers to act equally for justice and to ascertain factual accounts and base a decision on the merit of the complaint or the employee’s action.

In order to capsulize these events: I was set upon by Michelle, in pharmacy 3 n---- she followed and antagonized me in three separate instances and “screamed” in my face. Finally, she tracked me from the supply room where she pushed a cart into the shelves near me as I removed an eyelash clouding my vision and did the same while I read the bulletin board and finally to the other side of the pharmacy approximately 30-35 feet. She actually pursued me. She screamed---type that she lurched forward at me and lowly screamed in my face—she was trying to bait me into a fight with contact but I disappointed her--sounds odd but it's 100% true--just not audible throughout the room. Security cameras!! In addition I was in resource management and at least 6 rn’s can vouch for my demeanor and even improvements, I made several suggestions that resulted in better archived files, more functional meeting room and accuracy of work file and pick up point for tasks for me.

Eve-ng- vol dir allowed a tottering older woman to have her personal dog at a KP Banquet where capacity was overflowing with over 500-600 people---the woman even tripped and fell into the carving station ----this is the kind of bias and mindless decisions that permeate KP---unless you are chosen-
why bother you with such trivia…well to illustrate the culture of arrogance that even includes managers, employees and gender baiting all sources have been exhausted. There are no scruples of KP that KP can be proud of in this activity
I thought KP had a policy of non – retaliation and fairness—it is not being exhibited to show you this. I stated that I would prefer to have the door open in the resources office as it has been for over 3 years—I was thoroughly screeched at by one of your director/a manager practically slammed the door --- KP is so blind to old volunteers as to miss this implication---of course you get it----suppose a young woman said that, what should the manager have done????? Enough my focus is on Micelle’s cohort’s aggressive and erratic/belligerent behavior in pharmacy n3 –
respectfully submitted for your consideration. Please by June 1 2012, appreciate it.

excerpt of my letter to KP editied for space---ever hear of a company threatening a volunteer attacked on the job with legal action---KP did-imagine I was threatened by the legal dept for reporting abuse-vol director is humorless, contentious and vindicative and is the CEO---see their response---none???? Except more threats to me.
     
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trmn8r on 2012-07-21:
Maybe it is too late. I can't figure out what happened or where someone was a volunteer. Something happened in a pharmacy and at a Banquet, but that is all I could figure out.
jktshff1 on 2012-07-22:
Simply put....what happened?
clutzycook on 2012-07-22:
Yeah, I'm not sure either. But if the OP is being threatened with a lawsuit and they have a legitimate reason to complain about KP, then perhaps the OP should look into retaining a lawyer.
madconsumer on 2012-07-22:
"re: deplorable treatment of senior volunteer- “bullying” humiliation,....."


it is very clear what this review is about. the poster was a volunteer, and was abused.

thank you for the warning. I have heard far to many people that have this insurer and have told me stories of their deplorable payment to their insured.

very helpful review and voted as such!
tnchuck100 on 2012-07-22:
Not understanding a review DOES NOT diminish its importance.
jktshff1 on 2012-07-22:
Well put tnchuck
raven2010 on 2012-07-22:
I think this company is the "Ashley Furniture" of healthcare
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False Patient Summary
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Date: 09/07/2011

I left my primary physician at KAISER PERMANENTE the morning of only to find out after getting a physical for Life Insurance and in spite of my labs coming back PERFECT that based on the industry standard BMI Chart (Body Mass Index) which is a pre-determined standard on one's body fat based on height/weight ratio, I was deemed OBESE, and my life insurance will now by eye-gouged due to such.

So, back to the BMI, because I am 5'10" 214LBS, yes, they wrote me as obese. And because I'm this weight is in direct proportion of training 3-5 days a week of high resistance conditioning (last 10 years) as I'm TRYING TO GAIN WEIGHT in which the above mentioned physician refused to address in my permanent medical record; which underwriters all have access to, and refused to refer me to get an actual body fat test conducted.

Now, while one may think how innocent a BMI chart is, let me catch you and the rest of the world up-to-speed. The BMI is "Industry Standard" which Life Insurance Co. (and others) go by, and regardless if you were truly only at 14% body fat and in EXCELLENT condition, if you fall within the box you fall within, this is the speculative predetermined evaluation.

So, on ones medical record, this BMI which is complete speculation, is a fact on one's record all for a Life Insurance to go by, so they can further jack up one's premium.

Below is a chain e-mail between me and my doctor getting into it; as e-mail is the only way to speak with a doctor/nurse; which is something I've NEVER experienced. Christ, I feel like a care at a Jiffy Lube with these douchebags.

*E-MAIL MESSAGE BELOW IS READ FROM MOST RECENT*
____________________________________

RE: My BMI resultPrinter-friendly version To:
Larry Bucher Jr.

From:
KENNEATH KAMFAT CHU MD

Received:
09/09/2011 4:36 PM

Your BMI concern does not warrant a referral to a specialist.
You can seek a second opinion from another physician. Just call appointment center.


----- Message -----
From: BUCHER, LARRY JR.
Sent: 9/9/11 02:46 PM
To: KENNEATH KAMFAT CHU MD
Subject: RE: My BMI result

You already made it clear that you could not deleate BMI! Am I missing something here?!

I said I NEED for you to note in MY medical report within the BMI data that the BMI is in direct relation to muscle mass/training and in no way related to obesity. Again, am I missing something? Then there's no need to send any letters out- it's all in my report/summary.

But we could too, and more sensably REFER me to get an actual test done from an ACE certified trainer or another physician/nurse as so to not "speculate" my true BMI. All I want, as well as the rest of my medical information, is to be ACCURATE.- LB

----- Message -----
From: KENNEATH KAMFAT CHU MD
Sent: 09/09/2011 1:08 PM
To: Larry Bucher Jr.
Subject: RE: My BMI result

I am unable to alter medical record and delete BMI!
If you want me to write you a letter to life insurance that you are applying for and for me to state that in my opinion, I think your elevate BMI is from muscle mass 2nd body training, I am more than happy to do so.


----- Message -----
From: BUCHER, LARRY JR.
Sent: 9/8/11 07:44 PM
To: KENNEATH KAMFAT CHU MD
Subject: RE: My BMI result

Dr. Chu, while I can appreciate your position with this, I'm asking you do likewise with me, and while you never put "obese," however the BMI score of 30.71 in-of-itself is an obese measurement.

If you can not conduct a skinfold test within your office, then I request an outside referral, or on your own fruition a note in these reports that I am athletic built; addressing the BMI diagnosis.

Sincerely,

L. Bucher

----- Message -----
From: KENNEATH KAMFAT CHU MD
Sent: 09/08/2011 3:27 PM
To: Larry Bucher Jr.
Subject: RE: My BMI result

Unfortunately we do not have skinfold thickness measurement or bioelectrical impedance testing.
We can not remove BMI.
However, I never put diagnosis of obesity as your medical condition.



----- Message -----
From: BUCHER, LARRY JR.
Sent: 9/8/11 10:30 AM
To: KENNEATH KAMFAT CHU MD
Subject: My BMI result

Dr. Chu, I am requesting that a skinfold thickness measurements, or a bioelectrical impedance test be done on me. I REFUSE to let underwriters for my life insurance (based on this ridiculous BMI chart which does not take into account athletes), use this information which is nothing short of preposterous.

My medical records are for accurate information; not speculative. Either remove the BMI info as "obese" from my record altogether or accurately test my body fat.

Sincerely,

Lawrence Bucher


     
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macdave on 2011-09-10:
BMI is what it what it is. The doctor cannot change it but seems willing to let the insurance companies know that it is high due to your weight training. If you want the other tests done, why don't you get one done somewhere else. It seems pretty clear that Kaiser does not offer these as part of the standard physical.

David
drugdoc121 on 2011-09-10:
I don't get it. The doctor said he was willing to state that your elevated BMI was due to muscle mass in a letter but cannot delete it from the record. If he cannot delete it but is willing to explain it, what else do you want him to do?
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Happy With Kaiser Permanente
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It's Funny over the last few years I have found myself using reviews more and more to help me make decisions on everything from purchases to places to eat and not once did it ever occur to me to complete a review myself.

So bare with me people, this is my first one. So it's 3 days before the end of open season I am going through the grueling process of looking for a new health insurance provider which I have done for the second time now and I am frustrated and annoyed because I don't want to switch insurance companies......

I have been with Kaiser Permanente for almost 15 years I have three great child and they have grown up with KP. I know that you hear so many bad news stories but this is a good news story and I just wanted to share.

Just like any organization or business you frequent all it take are a few bad apples to spoil it for the bunch and I have see 1 or two bad apples at KP but in comparison to the many great apples that I have seen at KP there are no comparisons.

My youngest who I will call my Miracle baby was born with more than a few medical problems but under the watch of KP practitioners who would not give up on him, 9 years later you would never know that he had such a rocky 1st year and they have been there ever since.

I took ill myself and the care and concern that I received from the KP doctors and staff has been amazing. Okay so like I said there are a few bad apples..... so my illness causes me to have frequent broken bones and on this particular evening I had broken my foot for the 3rd or 4th time and I was in the waiting room waiting to be seen. I was in pain my foot was swollen and obviously broken to the naked eye. I had only been sitting there for about 1hr. )-:

So in walks my doctor on the same evening who just happened to be sick himself and wanted to be seen for a very bad cough.

He proceeds to walk over looks at my foot and ask how long had I been waiting and immediately has me in a wheelchair and whisked off to get my foot reset...good apple.


okay..... okay.... I know so if KP is soooo great why am I leaving? I know that's my dilemma for the last two years I have been commuting to work and now the closes KP is 10 hrs away and my health is still an issue and I have been missing a few appointments. (not good!)

So it is with regret that I have to give KP up. I pray that I find an Insurance provider that have nurses that will stay on the phone with me until my questions get answers, that have doctors that call me back when I have a concerns. Receptionist that realize that I'm not just another body in there waiting room but that I am a person and finally an insurance company that gives me the care and services I pay for without sending me through a bunch of hoops.

That was just my experience with KP and for those of you who have not had good experience with them I hope you have better luck with them in the future. FYI I have visited there office in MD, CA, GA, DC,& VA .
     
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To Save Money,get Kaiser Prescription Filled At Costco Or Walmart
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SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA -- My wife and I are life long Kaiser members and medicare part d participants, so you can imagine the shock we experienced when we learned that we can (and now do) get all of our prescriptions filled at either Costco or Walmart.

When I filed a grievance, Kaiser responded that these stores charge lower prices to get customers "in the door". Is not Kaiser getting millions in medicare part d funds? I am going to list the specific drugs my wife and I use; the price comparisons are based on prices quoted by Kaiser, as well as prices we are now paying at Costco. We require medications for blood pressure, diabetes and cholesterol. Keep in mind that any customer at Costco can get these prices; no special membership is required other than what all customers are required to do to be eligible to shop there: please note that all drugs are the same dosage, and same quantity.

Price comparison of prescription drugs at

generic drug Costco Kaiser difference
1)amlodpine 8.32 19.80 11.48
2)Lovastatin 10.83 20. 9.17
3)Glipizide 14.36 20. 5.64
4)Metformin 6.60 20. 13.40
5)Atenolol 6.50 10. 3.50
6)Lisinopril 7.91 19.60 11.69

Please note that with items 1,4 & 6, the Kaiser charge was twice what Costco charged.
     
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Anonymous on 2009-12-14:
What's the complaint??? That Kaiser is charging a higher price? That's business. Don't like their price (which you don't) shop around (which you did)

This type of complaint would litter this board if everyone complained about one store charging more than another for the same product.
Class Advocate on 2009-12-14:
I absolutely disagree with The_Judge. A consumer pointing out massive price discrepancies between what an HMO charges for drugs verses a Costco is exactly why this board exists. We are not talking about two grocery stores pricing a gallon of milk. HMOs are in an unique position. I bet Kaiser's pharmacy is a few doors down from the doctor's office and most definitely in the same building. Moreover, Kaiser has the patients medical records and can project future co-pays and when it will exhaust Part D coverage forcing a patient to assume greater share of drug costs. There is always a natural tension between an insurance company, a medical provider and a pharmacy. When Kaiser acts as all three, that tension is lost.

Great post!
PepperElf on 2009-12-14:
this board isn't going to be able to force Kaiser to change their prices


if you found your meds elsewhere for cheaper then go to that location.

it's not like Kaiser is preventing you from going somewhere else
and if they do... then it's a problem.

mom's old hmo tried that with our prescription lenses. mom had to fight with them because they kept insisting that she get them made at their location and mom wanted to get them done somewhere else.


so ... if they try to stop you, then raise holy hell
but if they just give you your script and let you go
then get your meds where you feel the price is best
Slimjim on 2009-12-14:
Walmart is becoming well known for having low prices on prescriptions. Kaiser's are more likely in line with most pharmacies. This probably would be a better review if it was written as a compliment to Walmart and Coscos instead.
JR in Orlando on 2009-12-14:
The best way to save money would be to get healthier. People I know who take diabetes, high blood pressure and cholesteral medicine have two things in common: obesity and lack of exercise. I don't know if that is you, but some of them have been able to quit taking all the medicines when they lost weight and exercised.
GenuineNerd on 2012-01-12:
Kaiser in Ohio charges $44 for a 90-day supply of Pravastatin (for cholesterol). I had it refilled at Giant Eagle for $10.
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I have to say, I really like Kaiser!
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SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA -- I grew up in Sacramento, California, and we had Kaiser insurance my whole life. Back in those days, I remember waiting for literally hours to see my doctor... It was pretty bad, but it was also because their system was so completely overloaded... They had too many people for the hospital and clinics they had.

Now I'm all grown up, and although I work in San Jose, I live 60 miles away. My choices for insurance were Kaiser or a PPO that I would have to come into San Jose to see a doctor. I chose Kaiser because they have Hospitals and clinics pretty close to my home.

In the 19 years that I have had Kaiser on my own, I have no real complaints. I have never had to wait long enough to finish a magazine article when I go see my doctor or a specialist. The longest I have ever waited was for a blood draw, but the lab waiting room was packed! When I saw how many people were in front of me, I thought I'd be there all day, but it turned out to be about 45 minutes.

My wife is an OB/GYN Nurse Practitioner, and she knows a lot about Kaiser. (She has never worked for them, but she does know quite a few nurses and doctors who do) She says that she likes Kaiser because it's so convenient and easy to get what you want from them. It does take a little effort on your part to work their system, but the Advice Nurse that you call into for questions or treatment has the ability to get you in to almost any specialist very quickly. ( A tip when talking to the Advice Nurse, you don't want to be macho and downplay your problem. Their questions are directed at you to screen whether you need immediate treatment or just a routine doctor visit with your PCP (Primary Care Physician) If you want to be seen today, there are frequently "code words" that if they hear them, they will schedule you for an almost immediate appointment... (It helps for me when my wife tells me to call the advice nurse, and be sure and say "Blah, blah, blah" But even if you don't know these code words, you can usually guess what kind of thing would trigger them to get you in right away... Say those things!)

I have had a few health issues over the years, and I can say that I am extremely happy to have had Kaiser. I got into a motorcycle accident five years ago, and I was in hospitals for about two months. The first 5 days I was in San Jose Trauma, and the bill from them was over $100,000. And they didn't do all that much besides dope me up and stabilize me... I had to have two hand surgeries, and over a month of rehab in the Vallejo rehab hospital. If I had the PPO insurance, that accident would've left me broke.

They just built a brand new hospital right at our little town's border, and it's really great. I have been to their emergency room twice, and the service has been excellent and very quick. If I was ever considering another job, one of my questions would be if Kaiser insurance was available. If not, I probably wouldn't go. :)
     
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sam35 on 2011-02-19:
I really liked Kaiser too. At least until I was hurt! You should not have to lie to see a Doctor.
Iam not a R.N but even I know To say you passed
out or your bleeding from your backside ! I think
I would stick with passing out . You would not like
what their going to do about bleeding from your backside !
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While quality of medical care improves, quality of membership-related customer service take a dive
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I called Kaiser Permanente Membership Services regarding a contract change which was extremely time-sensitive. Translation: I had only a day or two to ensure some contract changes that would save me some money on my sky-high monthly independent-contractor health care dues. One more translation: I am a little old nanny, and what I pay in monthly fees could feed a small nation. Okay - more like a village.

I called the # offered. After a 22-minute wait (love that Muzak!) the bored Kaiser-person said I needed to call another #. Long story short but not so sweet, I was on the phone for most of an afternoon, being transferred from here to there to some planet far, far away, and nothing was resolved.

I decided to take an (unpaid ) morning off of work to venture a trip to the Kaiser headquarters in Rockville, Maryland. When I arrived, it became clear where all that money hundreds of thousands of us send monthly is going. The place is castle-like in size and appearance; fortress-like in security. A security guard informed me that I was not allowed to go up the winding staircase to the membership offices to request help. Would he deliver a letter to them? No, not allowed. It seems he was not authorized to leave his post.

"Did I come to the CIA instead of Kaiser?" I asked. No reply. Not authorized to joke, I guess. I was told to wait, and a Kaiser representative would be down to talk to me. I waited. And waited. It was better than being on the phone, because I got a break from that damn music.

The upshot: I left. I had reached my humiliation quota for the day.
On my ride home, all I could think of was all the money I have sent them throughout the years. And how a good customer like myself is treated. And deep regret that because our health care system is so unfair, an honest working person should be subjected to this kind of treatment. And deep compassion for all the other Kaiser Permanente customers who share my frustration and disillusionment.
     
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