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Beware of LA Fitness
Posted by LAFitnessUX on 02/10/2007
SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA -- I recently started working in a new area and wanted to join a gym. There is an LA Fitness very close to where I work in Sorrento Valley/Mira Mesa of San Diego, California. I went in there about three weeks ago just to look at the facilities. I was in no frame of mind to make any kind of commitment because there are a lot of health clubs in the area, and I wanted to check them all out before joining anything. Well, before they would let me even look at the place, they called this salesman over who spent a half hour trying to sell me a membership. I told him that I wanted to see the facilities first. So he took me around for 5 minutes and then brought me back to his desk and proceeded to try to get me to give him a check and sign a contract. I told him that I just stopped in to see the gym and that was it! After much arguing and aggressive attempts to get me to join right then and there, he reluctantly put me in the computer for a 7 day pass. I explained to him that I didn't have time to try it out right away but that in a few weeks I would. He assured me that the pass was good for 7 days once I actually started to use it.

Well, last night - about 3 weeks later, I went to the gym to try out one of the exercise classes for the first time. They couldn't find my name in the computer, but I didn't want to miss the class so I gave them my info so that they could sort it out by the time the class was over. After the class, I went to see what happened. The General Manager, Joe, jumped all over me and told me that if I wanted to try out their gym it would cost me $40 for the week, and that a gym is a gym and that I should just go ahead and buy the membership. I explained to him that I am joining for the classes only, and that I want to make sure that I like them before I commit myself to $149 plus $35 a month. (Do the math, that's almost $600 for the year!!!!) I told him that every other gym gives people a free pass to try out their facilities and asked what the problem was. Joe rudely told me that the exercise classes are for members only and that the only way I could try them out was to pay him the $149 and if, within 5 days, I didn't like them, I could get my money back. Yeah, right. Why not just let me use the free f$#^$king pass??!!?!? Then I go on the internet and learn about all the horror stories about LA Fitness never giving anybody their money back or allowing members to cancel their contracts by not processing their paperwork!!! Why should I give these people $149 to try out their gym when they are supposed to give free 3,5, or 7 day passes to do this???!?!?!?!!!

The more I got to thinking about this the more ticked off I became so I called up their corporate headquarters and talked to a membership specialist. He told me that of course I should be able to get a free pass to try out the gym. Then he put me on hold and called Joe of LA Fitness Sorrento Valley, the same L.A. Fitness manager who refused to honor my free-pass in the first place. When he came back on the line, the customer service representative was extremely rude and told me that if I wasn't prepared to join the club the day I walked into LA Fitness then I should have never stopped by there in the first place! Now I was even madder than I was before I called! I asked to speak to his supervisor and the LA Fitness representative REFUSED TO PUT HIS SUPERVISOR ON!!!!! What a way to run a customer service department. They don't even wait until they've locked you into one of their bankrupting/cred-ruining contracts to be rude and arrogant!!!!!!!!!!! Thank God I hadn't paid them anything!

People, do not join this club. Read the reviews. They are only after your money, and once they get it, they WILL NOT GIVE IT BACK, nor will they cancel your membership, so you will continue to have to pay the monthly fee month after month, even after having sent in the paperwork to have it canceled. The staff and management, from local to corporate, are extremely rude and unprofessional. They are today's dishonest used-car salesmen, selling lemons disguised as ball-and-chain memberships to health clubs. As for the class, it was crowded, nobody looked happy, and there weren't enough weights in the room for everyone to use - and the weights that were there weren't marked and looked like they came off some submarine from WWII that had been lying at the bottom of the sea for the past 60 years! You are better off joining a smaller gym where the staff and management care about their members and know how to treat customers. In Mira Mesa/Sorrento Valley alone, there are lots and lots of gyms. I am so glad Joe was such a dick to me because I started looking around and found a gym that was much better, friendlier and cheaper than LA Fitness!!!! YEAH, BABY!!!!
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Posted by *Brenda* on 2007-02-10:
I was a member for a few months but didn't really have the time and I canceled with NO problems. I just mailed in the cancellation form that is on their website. And this was for two memberships, mine and my husband's.
Posted by Dynamic Dee on 2007-10-25:
LA Fitness San Diego
I am glad to read this post. I am a member and I am horrified with the lack of professionalism by the staff and leadership. It comes down to this with this gym and many others (Family Fitness), it is not about health it is about SALES and sales quotas. When you go into these gyms, you might as well be buying a used car.
Also, the trainers know nothing about fitness and are about sales packages. I noticed any trainer with integrity does not stay with the organization very long. If you want a trainer, you are better off getting one elsewhere and having them teach you the basics. You have to be careful, they may hassle you if they see you using a trainer other than their lame ones. You can say it is a friend helping you out.
About Joe, he harrassed me while I was at the club and I complained to management. Long story.
The hassle to work-out with LA Fitness is sometimes not worth it. It is sad because it is a beautiful set-up and they do not know how to maintain it or provide good customer service. Oh, and I got a staph infection from one of the mats, cost me over $100 in meds and doctor visits.
Posted by felixms on 2007-11-12:
I wish you have named the gym which you are satisfied with, not just the complaint.
I am a member that used to go to that gym, and agree with you, the staff sucks. The only have salesmen there, no one will assist you within the gym for anything that is not paid extra in advance. BTW, signing in with them is a pain, specially because other coworkers did not paid the signup fee, and I was trying to get that waved as well, but I got it though.
24hr fitness was even worst, double charging me, and messing up my financial info. Therefore I still stick with LA fitness because of its location.
Posted by Rob San Diego on 2013-06-23:
this is very true... this happened to us to. We went in there and bought the membership, that is ok. They sold us an add on -- training package. Told us we can cancel it in three days. That was because we can't try out the trainer w/o having a package and signing the waivers (bs!). Well we didn't like the trainer and they asked us to come the day after, to meet another one. (there go our two days). Now on second day we say we don't like it and want to cancel. They say we will call the HQ and do it next day. so the next day I call and they say it is being done and we will call you. They didn't. I called they were not available and the third day just went by. I was unable to come the fourth day (busy at work). I came the 5th day and ha! the story changed. The cancellation time has lapsed and nothing could be done. I was livid. I called the HQ but no dice. Very rude and unprofessional folks. I am a member... since we prepaid for 1 year. But I hate the managers and people. I go workout and look forward to fininshing my year. Thx
Posted by Sylvia on 2013-12-20:
The same thing happened to us. Once you give LAFitness either your credit card or checking account number, you are in for trouble. They will continue to take money from your account for months after you have cancelled. We read and reread the contract upon signing, to be sure that when we wanted to cancel we would definitely be on time. We only wanted membership for 6 months while we were in Florida. When it was 2 months before we were to leave, we sent a registered letter to cancel. STILL, they continued to bill us after the cancellation date.. LAFItness gave us the run around and after SEVERAL MONTHS of phone calls to the bank and to LAFitness headquarters, we got our money back for 2 months that they had taken illegally from our account. Our Discover card did not back us up, even though we sent them copies of our registered letter and the contract. We cancelled our Discover card after that. Just beware of this unethical company...what a sorry excuse for a health facility!
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Deceptive Selling Practices
Posted by Misterd on 08/12/2006
NORTH BRUNSWICK, NEW JERSEY -- My daughter who was 18 at the time was talked into signing up for a $312.00 commitment for the next 12 months. This is for a physical trainer 2 times per week. This was irresponsible for their staff to even offer her these classes since she is a Freshman in college and unable to pay for these classes. This was to be a contract between their training company, Body of Change, and her. Now, how did I find out about it???? They set the account to be billed to pull from my credit card each month. Once I discussed this with my daughter it was too late to pull out of the contract. She will not be able to utilize these services, nor does she have the means to pay for them. Has the gym been helpful or has their main office. HECK NO It is the typical run around with no one taking responsibility for this situation. This was extremely unethical as was their suggestion to fake a doctors note to get out of the contract. "People do it all of the time", I was told. Well I will not teach my daughter to resolve he complaints by lying and cheating.

All we can hope for is that they step up and do the right thing. Bill me for the training sessions used and void the contract. What can I do???? Tell everyone about this unfortunate circumstance and cancel all 4 of my memberships for this particular gym. Will they care??? Probably not, but I will post this information any where I can so that the consumer knows to beware of this type of unethical (although, legal) behavior.
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Posted by Sparticus on 2006-08-12:
We have an LA Fitness opening up down the road from us. They have sales guys lurking in the parking lot of near bye businesses trying to get new members. They actually jump out in front of your car and try to wave you into their little tent/camp area. I had to swerve to avoid the guy, he was sacrificing his life for the chance at a sale. Pathetic.
Posted by *Brenda* on 2006-08-12:
Sounds like you should be more pissed off with your daughter. How are they supposed to know someone signing up doesn't have a job? And she was using the gym? Tell your daughter to get a job and pay for the mistake she made. It'll be a good lesson for her.
Posted by Noneill on 2006-08-13:
I agree w/ Brenda. Now that miss college student has displayed her penchant for dishonest use of mom's credit card, mom had better put a stop to that right now. Or prepare to pay for more stupid mistakes.
Posted by misterd on 2006-08-13:
No one ever said that her decision to sign up for this program was not stupid. It defintely was extremely idiotic at best. She has a job and is paying for it. Also, would a bank give a customer money based on their word to pay it back. Would a car dealer give a car to her based on just her promise to pay it back. I do not think so. My point is to warn other consumers. If it initiates one conversation and saves just one person from signing such a commitment I will have accomplished my goal. To explain further, the credit card to which these fees were billed was my credit card which was used to setup 4 accounts for my family. She used her own credit card to set up the training membership. This was the credit card to which the $312.00 per month was to have been billed. The staff at the gym hit the wrong button which took my visit to a lawyer to straighten out. Hence I know that I have no legal recourse although my daughters privacy was breached through this action. How would you feel Brenda or Noneill if I had access to your personal information because of an error someone made at your local retailer? This was between my daughter and the gym. I became involved because of a keystroke error??????????????? Not fair guys, not fair at all.
Posted by yoke on 2006-08-14:
Can't really blame the gym here. Your daughter is 18 and can legally enter into a contract. I think there is more to the story that what your daughter is telling you, like maybe her credit card was originally declined for the $312 a month it was going to be billed and told them to use your credit card not thinking you would be upset.
Posted by misterd on 2006-08-14:
Appreciate your thoughts on this yoke. Yes it was a legal binding contract that was entered into. No, her credit card was actually charged for the original amount of approximately $500.00 and has an open limit of $8000.00 so as you can see the account was setup incorrectly. Please do not refernce her ability to pay in future posts and to answer the question ahead of time, yes my wife is a cosigner on her credit card with the $8000.00 limit. What the gym did was take advantage of a young girl that was in a depressed state of mind, barely 18 years of age, and would clearly not qualify to make the payment each month due to a lack of a sufficient credit rating. She has a job that allows her to pay the membership but should never have committed to such a large obligation. The gym could have certainly stepped up here and offered to revise the contract to one session per week which would become much more reasonable. As it stands right now, I have cancelled memberships that resulted in a savings to me of $140.00 per month and loss of income to the gym of $1680.00 per year for a very long period of time. I cannot reiterate any further that this post is meant as a warning to all parents that they should warn their young adults in the home that although they are 18, employees that work on commission do not have your best interests at heart. The lawyer I discussed this with as well as Rodney a manger at the gym have all agreed that this was a poor business decision based on the representative from Body of Change that sold this package to my daughter. I never ever said that this was illegal, just unethical.
Posted by yoke on 2006-08-15:
Gyms are known to take advantage of people getting them to sign up even if they can't afford it. They were doing their job, maybe in your eyes unethical, but they have to make a living too.
Posted by misterd on 2006-08-15:
Nothing personal here yoke but I did not ask your opinion. If you would actually read and comprehend what I have written, your comments may be taken as worthwhile. When I signed up for my gym membership with Derwin (not, Darwin) he took the time to ask me if this is what I was sure I wanted to do. The gym membership may be canceled at any time without penalty. Once again I am discussing the tactics of the Body of Change representative that did not have the best interests of the customer at heart. They offer a free session and then try to sell you on the training. Nothing wrong with that and I understand that everyone wants to make money. I am certain the sales rep does not want to give back this commision and that is all it is a matter of really. But a 12 month commitment, please give me a break dude. I have read some of your other posts on this site and have concluded that you just do not seem to get it.
Posted by yoke on 2006-08-16:
mistred, if you don't want opinions then don't post on a public board. I've read some of your other posts and you seem to get a little upset when someone doesn't agree with you.
Posted by misterd on 2006-08-19:
Oh I want an opinion, but I would prefer a well thought out opinion as opposed to the personal opinions that have been expressed by you. I am seeking advice, not criticism. Every comment you have made thus far has been unfounded and leads me to believe that you do nothing but jump to conclusions. Do you actually have a valid point to make that I have not already answered in my many responses to this topic.
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Posted by SHELLBY on 2006-08-21:
As a parent I would rather invest 312.00 to invest towards her health and fitness so she can start learning healthy fitness habits at a young age than buy her a Coach pocketbook for her birthday.
Posted by misterd on 2006-08-22:
My goodness. First of all I would never ever buy my daughter a Coach bag and it is $312.00 per month for a year. Let me spell it out for you. That is/was $312.00 multiplied by 12 which equals, follow me please, $3,744.00. I guess that would work out to college tuition for a semester, car insurance for 2 years, 2 months of mortgage payments. Since you were so impressed by the low cost, perhaps you would like to purchase some swamp land right outside of Atlantic City. Like they say there is one born every minute.
Posted by misterd on 2006-08-22:
Well Well Well. Thanks to all of you that posted support for my situation. The rest of you need a life. I posted a complaint with the Better Business Bureau and this situation thus far has been resolved to my satisfaction. So apparently, although this was a legal binding contract which I never disputed, the company also agreed to cancel this contract based on my complaint. So, remember, you can just sit there and pay for your mistakes or attempt to resolve themm through the proper channels. Proof is in the link:

Posted by SHELLBY on 2006-08-22:
My daughter who was 18 at the time was talked into signing up for a $312.00 commitment for the next 12 months. This is for a physical trainer 2 times per week.

Posted by SHELLBY on 2006-08-22:
40 dollars per session is still a good deal. Maybe she can transfer to you and you can use it;)
Posted by *Brenda* on 2006-08-22:
misterd, How did they get your credit card information if she used hers? I'd be even more concerned over that.
Posted by misterd on 2006-08-23:
My credit card info is on file because I was the original person to sign up for the account. My wife and children were added to my membership. I was being billed 34.99 for each of us for the last year and a half until my daughter canceled her membership in September, 2005. She rejoined and used her credit card to setup her own account. This was the account to which the membership fee and training fee were to be billed. Imagine my shock when my normal credit card bill was $312.00 higher. I noticed immediately since this particular credit card only is used to pay my AOL fee $14.95 adn gym memberships $104.97. Hence my stress level increased considerably discovering something she did that I had no business to even know about.

Shellby, nice catch but I was a bit upset when I wrote this out. You are correct I did not say per, but hey if it were only $312.00 per year training 2x per week that would be $3.00 per session. Unfortunately it is $39.00 per session, $78.00 per week which is unaffordable for me let alone a college student. The transfer idea is a great suggestion and I could definitely afford to lose the weight. I apologize if I was a bit harsh to you Shellby.
Posted by BIG DADDY OH OH OH on 2006-08-23:
I thought they may be running sum sort of promotion for students where it may a "group" training rate sort of deal. Alot of clubs will offer these inexpensive small group training classes as a way to increase memberships.I have been in the fitness industry for a long time they will offer anything as long as they sell a membership in the interm. I dont respect most sales practices of most cooperate gyms. I miss the days of individually owned gyms where the owners started them because it was his/ her passion and didnt try to scam every person that walked thru the door.Unfortunatly most clubs get your money and pass the buck after if there are any problems. The fact a client has been loyal for years means nothing to them since the head honcho is usually 3000 miles away and they turn over managers on a regular basis so there is no corruption in the clubs as far as favortism.
Posted by *Brenda* on 2006-08-23:
ohh I see misterd. They shouldn't have put her on that account unless you authorized it, even if it was to "rejoin". Initially I thought that it was her that used your credit card. Yeah they were 100% in the wrong charging your card!
Posted by deb56 on 2006-08-24:
I am a 56 year old women who understands how an 18 year old girl could be talked into the "personal training" scam.
I fell for it. I have been a member for 1 month. First session I had a trainer who was training 2 at a time. Again I am 56, the other client was 22. Next trainer needed to be trained. Next trainer was fine, however he quit without letting me know. Now, I complain. I am told it is a training service! I cannot expect to have the same trainer each time. How do they know what my level of endurance is? They cannot answer. I have been talking with ohter members at our center in Missouri City , Texas. This is the most poorly run establishment we have ever seen. What can you do to get out of a contract?
Posted by DebtorBasher on 2006-08-24:
My personal trainer was so pushy, he wanted me to put a year of training on my credit card. I told him I had just closed all of my credit card accounts and if I was able to pay or be billed each month, I would consider it that way...he had the gull to tell me to re-open my credit account!
Posted by misterd on 2006-08-24:
Ladies, where have you all been the last month. Finally some posts supporting my position. deb56, I know how you feel it sucks. Especially the fact that you can be given any trainer. Even I can become certified. It really is not fair. Medical excuse can get you out of the contract, but me and my daughter would not stoop to their level to accomplish this. I would file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau based on the fact you are dissatisfied with their service. Keep a log of all your sessions from day one citing any problems. This can be used to bolster your case.


Unbelievable what lenghts they will resort to to get their commission. Suggesting that you open a credit card is ridiculous and unethical. There is no reason why they can not have a pay as you train program other than the fact most will not continue after a month. Working out to the point of total physical exhaustion that results in sore muscles for weeks is not the way to go. At my age, 44, I just want a good aerobic workout which I can accomplish on a treadmill thrown in with some limited weight training.
Posted by bbeott on 2006-10-18:
the same thing happened to me. my contract recently ended and i cancelled my gym membership. my payment for the trainer is still coming out. talked to corporate and they don't care. they'll cancel it as of today, but the payment at the end of this month will still be taken out. after the contract ends, it automatically renews month-by-month. i also only went to the trainer a total of probably 4 - 6 times in the beginning and had 2 injuries in that time from the trainer pushing me too hard. i pulled a muscle in my thigh on my second visit, and when i returned i separated a rib from the cartiledge doing dips. when i returned, healed, my trainer had left and they set up an appt with a new guy who never showed when i came back for my appt. i quit going that same day and waited for my contract to end. quite the racket. DON'T DO IT
Posted by misterd on 2006-10-19:
Longer story even shorter I post a complaint that was actually satidfactorily resolved through the Better Business Bureau but I still canceled all of our memberships. This is a totla of 4 memebrships at $34.99 each per month. In the long run, they lost, not me. I bought exercise equipment and now exercise at home.
Posted by dickle on 2006-11-16:
"Like they say there is one born every minute"...your daughter.
Posted by misterd on 2006-11-18:
There is a reason everyone chooses a name. What is the reason you chose dickle???????? DICK HEAD fits better. This issue has been closed for sometime but you choose to comment on it. Why is that?????????????
Posted by anamika on 2006-11-30:
LA fitness is a joke. I mean do they think people are so stupid. I go to try out the one-week free trial thing in stamford, CT branch and they started so much sales pressure like-- this is the last day with this fee if you don't enroll now the price will go sky-high from next month --and believe it or not when I said 'No Thankyou I want to tryout for the trial offer and then decide' They acted so funny..I mean... HELLOOOO you are pressing your prospective customer to an extint that I started having second thought if this place is for real..'cause any well established center won't put SOOOOO much sales pressure. Honestly, if they were decent and professional enough to give me the trial ticket..I think I would have joined their center soon..but thanks to their BAD salesmanship..I came across this webbsite.. and god am I lucky that I didn't enroll for the membership . Real cheat and fool enough to think they can always trick innocent people and ripoff their hard earned money for a poor service.
LA Fitness you are going down.
Posted by misterd on 2006-11-30:
Appreciate the support. The club is fine. It is the training staff that is motivated by their commission that ticked me off. The gentleman that sold me the monthly membership at $34.99 per month was adamant about making sure that this was what I wanted. If the trainer that sold the training sessions to my daughter was as professional I would still be a member there.

To set the record straight, North Brunswick LA Fitness runs a great facility, well maintained, with a friendly staff that was always willing to help. Unfortunately an outside company works within their organization and no one at their main headquarters there knew enough to take ownership of this problem. Hence I no longer am a member. While a memebr I lost 20 lbs and was working out 3 - 4 times per week.
Posted by sarahthinksyourearetard on 2007-10-15:
dont blame the gym b/c you're daughter's a retard!!
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-10-15:
Well, somebody has gotten themselves a new NIC, sarahthinksyourearetard.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2007-10-15:
misterd, I do believe your daughter was taken advantage of and glad you could get it resolved. However like some of the other posters, she is 18 and able to sign contracts.
I do hope you had a verrrry loong talk with her about responsibility.
Posted by misterd on 2007-10-15:
Sarah, I feel so sorry for you. This issue was resolved successfully last year. Imagine how pitiful your life has become cruising this site just to criticize someones daughter. My daughter is actually mentaly retarded and this is probably one of the reasons she was taken advantage of as well but I did not want to bring this up since her mental ability was not in question here so much as her desire to lose weight she put on while away at school.

ktahff, thanks for the support and yes I had a very long talk with her as did the lawyer that we consulted.

For the record, I have rejoined the gym without my other 3 family members. I have lost 15 lbs in 5 weeks and am now working out 5 - 7 days a week. Like I said, I never ever had a problem with the North Brunswick staff. They have been most gracious. Cost was $99 initiantion and 1st and last months membership. With tax about $180.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2007-10-16:
Thanks for letting us know how it worked out.
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Staff Unprofessional
Posted by Day2 on 12/30/2009
WOODBRIDGE, VIRGINIA -- First off. If you live in the woodbridge area you are better off getting a gym membership at the Chinn aquatics or Dale City Recreational Center. I received my membership at La Fitness as a gift and is the only reason I'm going there. Today was my second visit to La Fitness only to be insulted by what appear to be a manager. I'm unsure of his name but when I asked someone they stated that he was a manager. He basically called me a child and was very unprofessional. I would suggest if La Fitness managers/staff want to have conversations that degrade others should be kept to after hours. Once my membership expires I will not be renewing.
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Posted by yellowmelo8 on 2012-07-01:
There's a young lady @ the Brandon, FL location who acts as a front desk manager named Jenny Ryan.

Miss Ryan has inappropriately smacked my rear end, followed me in the ladies room to stare at me through the mirror. placed herself within earshot's distance to listen in on conversations I have with fellow clients & staff, and stood behind me just to stand there. She has also told another staff member not to speak to me. I'm being harassed by this woman and am not the only member who's been experiencing inappropriate behavior from her. She has admittedly had sexual relations with another staff member (manager) within only four hours of meeting him and is very sexually explicit in her "recruiting techniques". She has openly admitted to being a former Las Vegas *** and her touch technique resembles something from a soft porn video. She also mentions her "sexuality" often. Various clients talk among themselves about various things she's said and done concerning them, myself, and or others. She's completely unprofessional and this behavior needs to be stopped for the well being of the clients and miss Ryan's. Thank You
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L.A Fitness class action lawsuit
Posted by JamieG on 09/08/2007
Thanks to all those who have publicly expressed concern about the horrors of dealing with the LA Fitness corporation. I have had a very similar experience with both LA Fitness and Body of Change, the gym's personal training service.

I foolishly signed up for both a one year gym membership and a personal training program, after being unfairly persuaded with a "free trial" by their greasy and unknowledgeable personal trainers. I attempted to cancel the personal training contract after being promised a "no obligation, cancel at any time" policy. The crooks at LA Fitness and Body of Change continued to bill my credit card $312 for the past two years, amounting to nearly $5,000 over time. Beyond that, LA Fitness will not stop billing me for my one year gym membership, which expired over a year ago. I've considered closing the credit card, but have been told by the credit card company that I will still be responsible for the payments if I do so.

I have spent at least one day per week over the past two years on the phone with LA Fitness trying to get my money back and to ask that they simply stop billing me. My complaints have fallen upon deaf ears. I have spoken to everyone from LA Fitness corporate offices, local gyms, etc and nothing has changed. Everyone we speak with continues to make false promises of resolutions, but thousands of dollars still remain on my credit card statement after two years.

I've seen many of you say "LA Fitness should be sued." Well... today might be your lucky day. My family is considering having a lawyer file a class action lawsuit against LA Fitness and Body of Change, and we'd love for you to join in the fight. This is more about proving that LA Fitness is doing wrong, rather than just getting money back. If you've had a similar experience, I'd like to hear your story. You can leave us your contact information or remain completely anonymous. I'd just like to gauge how many people's time, money, and credit has been affected by this horrendous excuse for a company. If we do decide to go forward with the lawsuit, I will email you back to see if you'd like to participate.

Please email me your story at LAFitnessComplaints@gmail.com
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Posted by Sparticus on 2007-09-08:
Don't waste your time with a class action lawsuit. As everyone knows, only the lawyers win in such lawsuits.

Spreading the word via sites like this and to your friends will do much more than filling the pockets of law firms.
Posted by moneybags on 2007-09-08:
Close your bank accounts/credit cards and reopen new ones at a different bank. Report the credit card number as having been stolen(it was used without authorization) and live a ahppy life!:)
Posted by CrazyRedHead on 2007-09-08:
What is stated in your contract that you signed, that overrides whatever is told to you, also, what do you (and everyone else that signed up) get if you happen to win the lawsuit? Usually it is the lawyers that make the money, while you get a $10.00 discount.
Posted by sarahnkrystal on 2007-09-09:
I know with my gym membership, I have to provide them with a notarized letter before they will cancel my membership.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-09-09:
Change the credit card number with your bank, don't close it then take these idiots to small claims court and get your money back. They are such slime and scammers chances are they will not even show up.
Posted by ThinLazyAmerican on 2007-09-09:
I am sick of reading about these people who think a Class Action Lawsuit is the answer to everything.

Posted by arwing0219 on 2007-09-22:
I was almost scammed by the LA Fitness Body of Change. It happened a couple of days after my free training session. I was about to sign up for a 1-year membership for 1 session per week for $156 per month. They told me that I had to pay a total of $305 to start (processing fee plus the first month). I told them that I would pay for the membership in person. Yesterday (9/21/07), my trainer didn't show up for the first session, and when I got home, they withdrew the money at around 9:00am, several hours before I arrived, so I didn't even know this happened. I spoke with the trainer to straighten it out and I dodged a serious bullet--I never signed a contract!! Which means that Body of Change illegally went into my bank account without my authorization! Luckily, the head manager of LA Fitness reversed the transaction. My point is this--do not mess with these people. I am also considering cancelling my gym membership as well. But I do agree with one poster that a class action suit may not be the best solution. My advice is to watch your back and your bank account.
Posted by StanKarsten on 2008-09-17:
This club is terrible. The billed my credit card without authorization several times. The reps are very rude and the whole place is piece of s..t.
Posted by Kiteboarder on 2009-06-01:
count me in. I am so angry with there billing mistakes that cost me 600 dollars. They were charging my credit card and my wifes for her personal training. By the time we corrolated who payed what we were out 600 dollars. They were not authorized to charge my credit card. I am fighting them on principle. I will never do business with them again and do everything I can to hurt there business. If lawyers get the money so be it!
Posted by Lolorific on 2009-06-01:
I have two gym memberships for both my daughter and myself at L.A. Fitness in Santa Fe Springs, Ca.(I have been a loyal gym member for an excess of 5 years) They signed-up my daughter for personal training when her intentions were only to obtain information. Somehow they persuaded her into signing a "training trial" contract "which can easily be cancelled". She had just turned 18 two days earlier and i'm sure they figured that was sufficient to get her to sign. However, gym membership for billing is under my name and it was my bank account that was being charged for the training sessions which she stopped attending altogether. I made it clear to the gym managers of how I did not sign the contract nor did I give authorization for them to withdrawl from my bank account. They indicated they may be able to cancel the contract, being that I did not grant them approval. After a few days, I was told that the personal training manager (Manny) had decided not to cancel the contract and I would be responsible for training fees for the next year. My daughter went in to cancel in person and they told her she must submit a letter to corporate to cancel the contract. I mailed-out the letter (non-certified) and it arrived a day after the 7th day required for cancellation (so they say). I've clearly been violated and feel my daughter was taken advantage of with me paying paying the price for something I didn't sign nor approve of. If there is one place of of unethical procedures, it's definitley L.A. Fitness.
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A Company That Treats Their Employees and Members Like Dirt
Posted by Airtran Former Employee on 12/02/2012
TAMPA, FLORIDA -- I was an area manager for a major health club chain in Florida (Lifestyle Family Fitness). This year, LA Fitness bought our company. From day one they showed no interest in us, our careers, or our income. I personally took a 60k/year pay cut. Then to add insult to it they require all managers to work this shift...(M-Thur 10am-9pm, Fri 9am-7pm, Sat 9am-1pm). If you think that is bad as any of the trainers, they may have gotten it worse. I watched and listened as they belittle the members and had this (if you don't like it, go somewhere else) attitude. These LAF jerks are inexperienced, arrogant, and pompous. The upper management are a joke and are the laziess uncaring bunch of idiots I've ever seen in this industry. The club looks horrible now (trash, dirty etc) and the atmosphere is so bad you don't even want to work out there. Members have cancelled in drones. Over 1500 cancellations in the last THREE months! Those numbers are for ONE club. The district operations manager is so bad that the employees call her "the black widow" behind her back. This is due to her coming into clubs, not speaking with the employees and firing people when she does. This place is horrible, do not work here and certainly do not buy a membership.
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Posted by DebtorBasher on 2012-12-02:
You TOOK a $60,000.00 per year pay cut...or you were MAKING $60,000.00 per year and took a cut from that? You may have just talked some people into applying for a job there instead of steering them away!
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LA Fitness - Harrisburg PA
Posted by Ktina78 on 01/28/2010
HARRISBURG, PENNSYLVANIA -- So I have been a member of LA Fitness on and off. I never minded the gym itself and the classes are always great. However, I have always been put off by the sales environment and the pushiness of the sales staff. I found if I just pushed them off and ignored them, I would be okay.

Now I am done completely with them. A few weeks ago I got a "We want you back" e mail that offered me no initiation and a monthly fee of $29.99 a month. I thought this was a pretty good deal so I signed up with my mom (also a former member) After I signed up I got a phone call EVERY night "reminding" me of the personal training session that I had scheduled. Finally I answered one of these calls and told them I wasn't interested and to stop calling me.

2 weeks later my mom got the same "We want you back" e mail and HER rate was $19.99 a month. WHAT? SO I figured this would be an easy fix. I go in with her and her e mail and tell the guy that I would like our rate to be matched to the one in her e mail. Cause I can't justify paying $30 a month when I know that there's a $20 a month floating out there. And to boot, it was offered to my MOM who was currently signed up with me at $30 a month. The guy looked at me like I was nuts and told me that corporate sends those out and there's nothing he could do. So I told him to cancel both of us. Again, looked at me like I was nuts and told me "It's only $10 a month. You can stay around for $10 a month" I said, I guess I COULD but why would I when I know if I hadn't joined myself I would have joined 2 weeks later for $19.99. And he was rolling his eyes at me. I said "You're rolling your eyes at me!" and he said "Well I just don't' understand why you'd cancel. Where are you going to go?" I said I would go to Central Penn where my friend works and can get me a decent discount or I can get a corporate one from my job. He said "Well why did you bother coming here in the first place?" I told him the location is closest to my house. And with attitude he said, "So you're coming here out of convenience...Right" So I just snapped for him to just cancel my account and stop asking me dumb questions. He threw the cancellation paperwork at me and told me to Have fun at Central Penn. What a jerk! I can't even believe that's the kind of customer service I received when clearly I had a valid issue.

I will never step foot into that gym again.
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Posted by Joe Smith on 2012-01-02:
I must agree with the person who wrote the comment about the "pushiness" or persistence of the personal training staff. I joined LA F because of the friendly atmosphere and all that this location had to offer. We should not feel pressured into signing at the dotted line.....for example: "I can only offer you this great deal if you join right now." When asked if I could "sleep on it", I was told that "tomorrow it would be too late", that the person could only offer this great deal at that moment. I know we all have to make a living, but ....really?
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Beware of LA Fitness York, PA
Posted by TS111 on 06/02/2009
YORK, PENNSYLVANIA -- Anyone thinking about joining the LA Fitness in York, PA beware!!!!!

Their business practices are very deceptive. They rope you in with attractive offers and tell you that you can cancel your membership at any time, but when you really need to cancel the story changes. They pull the "bait and switch" where they offer you one price and a set of conditions but when you go to sign the contract the price is a lot more and the conditions are much more limiting.

So be careful of what you are signing and by no means trust them when they say to you "trust me, I was given permission by my boss to give you this great deal today, but its only for today so you have to jump on it quickly." It’s all a lie and you will be screwed!!!

The trainers are inexperienced, and their turnover rate is high, so if you've purchased a personal training package, don't expect to see the same trainer much of the time. Don't expect that the personal training package you purchased will be tailored to your needs so if you have any kind of special circumstances that need some attention (injury for eg.) don't expect your trainer to care.

The trainers who do have some experience do not show up for scheduled sessions that are already paid for. And don't, I repeat, don't even try to express any of your concerns to the management team because you will be ignore and if you pursue it further you will be called a "f---ing b--tch" and will be threatened to have the police called on you. You may even be threatened to be punched in the face by that manager. And he may enlist other members to do so if he realizes that he cannot do so himself.

Take for example, this past Friday May 29, 2009, my trainer didn't show up for my scheduled session at the York, PA LA Fitness. I didn't even get a phone call or any message saying that my session was cancelled.

I showed up and my trainer is nowhere to be found. The other staff paged and paged him with no response. After a while I became impatient and asked the staff to page the manager. "The manager" came and started giving me dirty looks, hissed and stormed off calling me a "f---ing b--tch." I have to reiterate this; I went to talk to the manager about my missing trainer and I was called a "f---ing b--tch" for bothering him with my concerns.

I went to another staff person who identified himself as the new "general manager" and told him about the disrespectful way I was treated by the other manager. The new “GM” completely ignored me. He walked away to talk to other people, I'm now pissed because I've already paid for the service that I'm currently not receiving. I am the paying customer and I'm being treated like a freeloader. Like any other paying customer, I confronted him about the way I was being treated and he threatened to punch me in the face.

So to re-cap; I was blatantly disrespected (called a f---ing b--tch) by one manager and was now being threatened to have the police called and be thrown out of the gym by another. I purchased permission to be on the premises so said I will not leave. So he got two other members to verbally assault me and threatened to physically assault me if I didn't leave.

It sounds unbelievable, but believe it. And if you are not careful, you will be screwed over by this gym. There are already (8) eight other 'pissed off" York LA Fitness clients that I know of. If you are not careful, you could be another.

*Thanks for reading :)

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Posted by Soaring Consumer on 2009-06-02:
File a police report right away.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-06-02:
Gym memberships are nothing but "status symbol" memberships. Of course you're going to get ripped off. Put on your running shoes and go for a run!
Posted by Ponie on 2009-06-02:
'they offer you one price...when you go to sign the contract the price is a lot more..' A very simple solution. Don't sign the contract!
Soaring, rather than a police report, since this is a 'sale,' wouldn't contact with the FTC be more appropriate? And what would be put on the police report--he called me a f-----g b---h?
Posted by goduke on 2009-06-03:
Anytime someone has a contract in front of you and starts saying "this is what the contract says," you should always, and I do mean always, say "really -- show me exactly where it says that." If it doesn't say that, make them put it in and initial it (both of you), or pick up your toys and leave.

I actually use Planet Fitness. They're a pretty good outfit. They are franchised, though, so I'm pretty sure it depends on the who owns the club you are at.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-06-03:
I also use and would reccomend PF. I pay $10 a month, and there is no contract binding me to a long term committment. The facility is as good or better than the last gym I used.
Posted by BokiBean on 2009-06-03:
Dang Ken, that's an excellent price.

I like a low frills option myself, no juice bars and hopped up personal trainers prancing around. The YMCA here used to be great for that, but they've let it go downhill and its not clean (the locker rooms and pools are just disgusting) anymore.
Posted by Soaring Consumer on 2009-06-03:
The store employees threatened to assault the OP. This warrants a police report and felony charges.
Posted by madconsumer on 2009-06-03:
before we call the police, what is the managers side of this story? women are not often called a f'ing b for simply wanting to talk about a no show trainer.

since when is simple assault a felony? there was no weapon, no physical contact, and no continued threat. as a private business, the manager can ask anyone to leave. regardless if they are a paying customer.

"American common law has defined assault as an attempt to commit a battery.

Assault is typically treated as a misdemeanor and not as a felony (unless it involves a law enforcement officer). The more serious crime of aggravated assault is treated as a felony."

"Aggravated assault is usually differentiated from simple assault by the offender's intent (i.e., to murder, to rape etc.), the extent of the injury to the victim, or the use of a deadly weapon, although legal definitions vary between jurisdictions."
Posted by DisputeTheCharges on 2009-06-04:
One of these days Soaring is going to get someone arrested for misuse of the 911 system.
Posted by shellu on 2009-12-08:
I think he was giving you dirty looks because you were probably being an ass and abusing the staff yourself. You make it sound as if you did nothing and he cursed at you. I have a membership with LA Fitness in York and I think the GM is very respectful and nice and I can’t imagine him saying this or allowing another manager to treat you that way. I’m sure they all have their jobs, to this day, and I find it funny that you never said that you called the police. I mean, you were verbally assaulted after all and that’s kind of a crime. They actually threatened to call the police on YOU! You wanted to be treated with respect and I’m sure the only person that was being obnoxious was yourself. Why don’t you add in what you did to upset them as well and make your story a little more credible, please?
Posted by RarelyRants on 2010-07-10:
People should not work in jobs that deal with the public if they can not respectly difuse an upset customer's ire. If the trainer did not show up and this is a continual problem (not a 1 time issue) then the customer has the right to be upset. The correct resolution would be for the manager to offer a free training session on the second instance and all subsequent instances or at least free concessions or a free month at the gym etc. The manager should have been sympathetic. I can be an upset customer myself and once I see sincere (not faked scripted sympathic words) sympathy coming from the person I am dealing with - my entire demeanor changes and I calm down. So, I agree that the LA Fitness managers should be replaced with people who like working with the public.
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Very Poor Management
Posted by Bivkite on 08/29/2007
HAMDEN, CONNECTICUT -- I recently received a coupon for a free 14 day trial at LA Fitness in Hamden, CT. I went with my brother and his friend, since they belonged to the gym and they wanted me try it out and later to possibly sign up for a membership. It was required on the coupon that I get a sales-pitch and a tour of the gym from the salesman to get my trial.

My brother's friend, having had a terrible experience with a different salesman previously, told my salesman that he would prefer to show me around the gym (since I would be working out with him). The salesman didn't quarrel with the idea and said that I just needed to come back after my workout to show me some membership plans.

They showed me around the gym, and I do admit I was impressed with it, we worked out, and I went back for the sales-pitch. He showed me the membership info and took my personal information. I explained to him that I was waiting to hear from a job and that I was very interested, but that I couldn't afford it as of yet. He said that was fine and we left.

I went today (my 4th trial day) and they wouldn't let me in because the salesman had changed my trial to a 1 day trial. When I confronted him about this he said that it was because I opted out of the tour of the facility. Not only did he not give me back my coupon, but he gave me a nonsensical runaround about his reasons for changing my trial period and refused to give me a tour then and there to give me back my 14 days. He further said that the only thing he could do was to sign me up for 2 weeks for 60 dollars!

If you want a competent staff that cares about your health or their promises, LA Fitness is NOT the place for you. The salesman, Marcus, may seem like a nice guy, but he screwed me out of my contract and my guess is he'll do the same to someone else. LA Fitness, your gym is nice, but your attitude is unprofessional, even childish! Plus, your prices are the most outrageous things I've ever seen!
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Posted by Anonymous on 2007-08-29:
AlleyS you obviously didn't properly read this review (color me surprised). Alleys wrote --"Also, he shouldn't have left your relative show you around" I have no idea what that means cause frankly I don't speak moron but the real reason the trial was cut short was, quoting the OP, "but that I couldn't afford it as of yet"... Which is total chicken shackle on the part of LA Fitness.

Bivkite good review and you're probably better off avoiding these scum suckers anyway. Thanks for posting this cautionary tale of woe. I'm not one to hand out praise like a pez dispenser but this so gripped me that I'm gonna vote it 'Very Helpful'!

Posted by Anonymous on 2007-08-29:
As always, I side with Stew.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-08-29:
Is it Constitutional for an agency of the Federal Government to write rules and regulations which are enforced in the courts as "laws?"

No. This is a recent development in governmental procedures. It is called "administrative law." The Founders provided no power in any agency of government to make laws except the Congress.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2007-08-29:
sounds like you got hold of a starving used car salesman
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-08-29:
Totally agree with Stew. Stay away from that place.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-08-29:
We have tentatively established that mentality is a precursor to ideology, which in turn acts as a unified system of thought, action, and alibi. In view of that, ideology and stringent capitalistic control is the locomotive that has been guiding U.S. power from its early continental colonialistic expansions, through global imperialistic domination, to its current hyper-imperialistic consolidation of empire.
Posted by grahambo on 2008-05-22:
Think thats bad try Orange! I decided tonight, that instead of changing to fittness edge I would give Hamden a go.I certainly looks better from the outside.
Posted by mws203 on 2008-07-22:
I agree with this. I just joined LA fitness and with in a week, trying to cancel the membership. Staff is non friendly and rude. Will not recommend to anyone to join this gym in hamden.
Posted by mws203 on 2008-08-07:
I agree, LA Fitness is non-friendly and especially a guy named Brian there
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Registration fee and dues at Parsippany location
Posted by Srini23 on 02/22/2010
PARSIPPANY, NEW JERSEY -- My wife and I joined LA fitness in parsippany recently. I was told by a couple friends that you can negotiate price with the membership staff. This is partially true. We came in for the first time about 4 months ago in October. Originally we met with one of the head sales employees Ryan. He told us that it would be $149 to register for the both of us and the monthly would be 35 with a possibility to go up. What we did not like was that cardio equipment was scarce. We did not join and I told him that I would wait for a better deal down the line. He was very persuasive but I was hoping to get a few more of my friends to join with me in the future to lower the price. After about a month the Ryan had called me to explain he had a special if my wife and I were ready to join, and it would be 29.99 a month without raquetball. Again we did not join. After about 2 more months of persistence and going back and forth into the gym we decided that we would join for the 29.99. We went to the gym to sign up and Ryan was not there so we tryed to sign up with another tall man who was not polite and confusing. He told us that the lowest program was $45 a month. I was very dissatisfied with the situation. I called Ryan and he drove in on his day off to give special approval to the program. We were very pleased with how he helped us that we recommended all of our friends. He has promised us that any of our friends that join will join for a discounted program and they have. If you want the lowest price and the best service you must see Ryan. Anyone else will overcharge you.
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Posted by goduke on 2010-02-22:
In my experience, a negotiated price is only good with the person with whom you negotiated it. The answer isn't that everyone needs to speak to Ryan, the answer is that everyone needs to stick with the person with whom they've been negotiating a deal.
Posted by bear on 2013-07-16:
Lol...but from what I have read...Ryan is the person who is better than Bob Barker when it comes to "lets make a deal"...watch and learn, maybe his tactics might stick!
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Harassment By A Gym Member
Posted by Atwater1 on 05/04/2009
LANCASTER, PENNSYLVANIA -- I am a member at the LA Fitness at 1300A LITITZ PIKE, LANCASTER, PA 17601.

On March 25, 2009, I told one of the female managers about an individual that has been bothering me for a while. All I had to say was “I have a problem with a gym member” and she knew exactly who I was referring to. I told her that he constantly approaches me and talks for a long time. I try to ignore him but he will stand there and just talk for a long time. I have tried to be polite but he doesn’t get the hint that I don’t want to talk. I have to always be aware of where he is to avoid him. He is always talking to the girls there. I try to sneak around so as not to be seen by him but he always finds me, every day.

Sometimes he sees me in the parking lot as I am going into the gym with my 8 month old son and he walks me in. He will stop me as I am walking in to the gym to see my baby. He is always asking about my baby. As a parent, this freaks me out a little. He is not a friend at all. I don’t even know him except that we go to the same gym.

I go to the LA Fitness every day for an hour. I put my son I the daycare. He is there when I get there at 8am. So I tried going later in the afternoon, he’s there. My relatives go to LA Fitness as well and say he’s there when they are there. I tried going as late as 5pm, he’s there. This leads me to believe that he is at the gym every day for about 8-10 hours a day.

The female manager I spoke with was very nice about it. She told me that there have been many complaints by other women there about him bothering them. She, herself, has had many talks with him about his behavior. She had said that if they get one more complaint about this member, they will revoke his membership. My friend who also is a member was so harassed by him that the management told him to leave her alone and don’t talk to her anymore. His response was “You need to hear my side of this”. This shows that he doesn’t think he is doing anything wrong. After management spoke to him about bothering my friend, he confronted my friend in the middle of the gym. She then yelled at him so loud that a trainer came to her aid and told him to leave her alone.

March 26, 2009, the same manager I spoke with said that the problem was taken care of that morning. I wasn’t given the details of what was said, only that the issue was dealt with. I was at the gym today, March 28, 2009, and he was there. He walked by the treadmill I was on and waved and said HI! He also follows me from machine to machine sitting and staring at me just waiting for me to pause so he can talk to me.

I asked the manager what the policy is for this. She said it's a very lenient policy. Only after several warnings by local management does the corporate office send a letter to the member's home warning them about their behavior.

I do fear retaliation by him. I have requested that someone walk me to and from my car when I have my infant son with me. As of yet, nobody from the gym has contacted me regarding my request.

He needs to have his membership revoked and be banned from the gym. This member, according to the manager, has been giving several warnings about his behavior. He obviously does not understanding the situation. I am very disappointed at LA Fitness for not having a Zero Tolerance policy for this type of behavior. I am also disappointed that the gym is putting his feelings above the safety of the women members. This guy is a predator and needs to have his membership revoked.
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Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
You need to let LA Fitness know that you are filing a police report and then be sure that you do it. This guy sounds like a stalker and the police need to know about it, he may have other reports already filed on him. Don't think you're overreacting, you're not! good luck!
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
He may be a predator, more likely he's a lonely jerk following another loser's advice on where to pick up women and is too stupid to understand 'no'. If the gym is not inclined to help, talk to one of the city's neighborhood services officers from the police department. Good review!
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
Take some mace with you next time. and report him to the police
Posted by madconsumer on 2009-05-04:
maybe your are one hot momma, and he likes the way your body has turned out after the workouts!
Posted by Starlord on 2009-05-04:
I will add my voice to the others. File a police report, immediately. He might be just a lonely guy who doesn't understand the concept of personal space, but then again, he could be another Ted Bundy. If you feel comfortable with it, buy a pistol and get a concealed weapons license. If this guy has been warned by management of the gym and continues to act in this manner, he might present a serious danger, and you need to have the wherewithal to defend yourself. Our Supreme Court has ruled the poice do not have an obligation to protect you, and if you call 911, you may have an hour to wait until a patrol car arrives. I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
File a police report. Pennsylvania stalking laws are loose enough that this behavior probably constitutes stalking.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
I am inclined to agree with Crabby. I don't think the police will intervene, he hasn't really broken a law. Why not ask for the manager, and explain to them that it is either him or you? If they won't remove him as the problem, will they release you from your contract?
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
Sorry Ken & Zzrokk, I edited my original comment after I read the Pennsylvania stalking statute --

"OFFENSE DEFINED.-- A person commits the crime of stalking when the person either:

(1) engages in a course of conduct or repeatedly commits acts toward another person, including following the person without proper authority, under circumstances which demonstrate either an intent to place such other person in reasonable fear of bodily injury or to cause substantial emotional distress to such other person; or

(2) engages in a course of conduct or repeatedly communicates to another person under circumstances which demonstrate or communicate either an intent to place such other person in reasonable fear of bodily injury or to cause substantial emotional distress to such other person."
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
Eight month old son at the gym? Where is his DAD? Maybe he could watch the kid or scare this guy off. Assuming that he is around.....
As Crabs, said, he is not violating any laws
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
I still don't think this rises to that, Crabby
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
I stand by what I posted. The police have much bigger fish to fry than a "he won't stop talking to me complaint".
Posted by jktshff1 on 2009-05-04:
Starlord, great advice.
I'm with ZZ on where is the kid's dad or her boyfriend or other family members.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
I disagree, bringing her kid with her has no bearing on her complaint at all. Many gyms now offer childcare centers so their members have more flexibility.

Maybe cuz I'm a girl, this post seems more serious to me then it does to some of you, but there is a big difference in someone just being friendly, and someone being creepy. Too many of the examples she posted raise the creep factor really high on this one. Starlords first sentence is dead on.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
I would have told the guy to bug off, or he might suffer from lead poisoning.

Seriously, Atwater1 -- have you ever actually told him to take a hike or that you are not interested?

IMHO, there is no reason to even try to be polite in this situation.

Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
The guy has numerous complaints at the place and seems to be there all of the time so I see him as just a middle aged, lonely little twerp trying pick up younger chicks at the gym. The sight of a can of mace or a guy acquaintence (sp?)should do the trick.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2009-05-04:
Ladies, (jbc, mm) ya'll are right on.
The only reason I mention the kid (and I think zz is with me on this) is if someone was pestering my gf, wife, family member, there would be h to pay, 'course being from the South might have something to do with that.
I'll bet Ejack will have something to add! lol!
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
Ahh gotcha jkt..makes sense now. No need to YELL, ZZ..I'm slow sometimes!!
Posted by BokiBean on 2009-05-04:
Why don't you tell him to get lost yourself? Tell him that you are there to work out, not visit. You're a grown woman, its something you can do...sneaking around and hiding from him is just acting like a victim. Sometimes, just telling him to blow off is all it takes.

If he persists after you address him yourself, start documenting everything..including your complaints to the staff there and any calls to the police you might make...you may need it later.

Posted by jktshff1 on 2009-05-04:
Heck, according to PA gun laws, (with the exception of Philly)You may be able to open carry without a permit. Pa permits are for concealed carry.
HOWEVER, take the class, do it right, learn how to take care of yourself.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
I don't agree with that either. I think the OP handled it the way she felt comfortable doing so, by going to the manager of the facility and voicing her concerns....Not everyone feels comfortable confronting people they don't know.

My guess is that her body language and lack of responding to his attempts to talk to her are more than enough of a clue that she's not interested. Someone with any sense at all would back off. This guy is a creep and needs to be reported.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
PA conceal law

"(a) Offense defined.--Any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree."
Posted by BokiBean on 2009-05-04:
What is the point in arming up? This woman hasn't even talked to him about leaving her alone yet. She's probably nice to him when she talks to him and he has no clue that he's even bothering her.. Sometimes you have to be frank and tell men to "LEAVE ME ALONE!", and too many women have a problem doing that.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
Boki does make a lot of sense as usual. I don't think it's reasonable that your first course of action to stop unwanted conversation is pepper spray or a loaded 44. Perhaps more reasonable would be simply to inform the person you don't desire to speak to them and ask them to leave you alone. Then if they don't comply perhaps the police, pepper spray or a magnum 44.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2009-05-04:
crabby:In Pennsylvania a License To Carry Firearms is only required to conceal a firearm, or to carry a firearm in a motor vehicle. The law is silent on the act of openly carrying a firearm while not in a vehicle making it de-facto legal. It must be noted however that due to 18 Pa.C.S. § 6108 (Carrying firearms on public streets or public property in Philadelphia) a License To Carry Firearms is required to carry a firearm in any manner on the streets or public property of a "City of the first class" (Philadelphia.)
Posted by jktshff1 on 2009-05-04:
Boki, as usual good points. I recommend everyone go get their permit (if necessary under law) to protect themselves.
By the way a .44 is not a good carry choice.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
jkt -- I don't know much about handguns other than it appears they are the answer to all of life's problems.
Posted by BokiBean on 2009-05-04:
I believe in personal gun ownership, believe me, I HAVE to, we have a stalker that has spent 6 months in jail for harrassing me and my husband, and while he has tapered off, he has never entirely stopped...he's completely nuts.

The OP never mentioned stalker, this is just my personal opinion. I certainly hope its not the case here.
Posted by madconsumer on 2009-05-04:
all the poor man wants is a date with a fine woman. he doesn't even mind she has a child.

give him a break .....
Posted by jktshff1 on 2009-05-04:
crabby, they are not and are a last resort for defense against injury to life or limb. I understand it's not for everyone.
Boki, the op's harasser is pushing the limit on stalking. When someone actually fears retaliation "I do fear retaliation by him", that opens a whole other can of worms.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
mad.... best answer!
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:

Jkt, curious, what you think is a good carry? I'm partial to 1911's but its because I have a history with them - serious stopping power.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
Boki, if what you say is true, then I'm inclined to think you'd have even more compassion for this person then what you're displaying. Obviously, a simple LEAVE ME ALONE doesn't work on everyone. Apparently you feel the need to carry a gun b/c of a stalker that "has not entirely stopped."

As she already stated, she did tell the manager about the problem, so she already took step 1, now she needs to take step 2. We can all form our own opinions about this all we want to, but since Starlord is an ex deputy, and probably has way more knowledge of the subject, my gut tells me he's right on this one.

Most importantly, I hope this guy is just a lonely dude looking for a friend and not a nutcase...thanks to the OP for getting the word out and please take precautions to care of yourself!
Posted by jktshff1 on 2009-05-04:
It's a personal "comfort" thing.
1911 is bulky. I switch between a .40 Glock 27 with extended mag, a 9mm Kel Tek and a .45 Baby Eagle (similar in size and weight to the 1911). Depends upon if I'm goin to church, shopping, a walk etc and also the weather. My state (TN) is open carry permit. Do I, no, 'cept around the yard, I don't want people to know I'm armed, plus you have the "screamin meanies" !!!he's got a gun!!!.
It ain't necessarily firepower, but shot placement.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
Boki, who was getting stalked, you or hubby? I've never heard of a couple being stalked by an individual before. Sounds weird.
Posted by BokiBean on 2009-05-04:
I don't think he's a stalker, to begin with. Stalkers fixate, they don't chum around talkin' smack to all the women at the gym. So, I think the first step is to directly confront him and tell him she's not interested.

I WISH I had had the chance to tell my stalker to bug off, but we didn't know him from Adam, and still wouldn't know who it was to this day if it weren't for one policeman here in town that took the initiative to actually do some investigating.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
Wow! How did you know he existed?
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
Although I think the PA law is subjective enough to perhaps deem this as stalking I don't think I agree this is stalking.

LA Fitness is publicly assessable private property. As such they have the right to deem who and who cannot have access to the property. The OP reported the incidents to LA fitness and they chose not to do anything about it. Their property their right.

The OP states other patrons are annoyed or feel harassed by this members constant chattering.

The OP states contact is only made at this LA Fitness and also eludes to the fact the man seems to always be there. That would suggest that all contact is the result of the OP arriving at a place where the chatterer is already at. That in my book doesn't constitute stalking since the chatterer isn't taking active steps to pursue the OP outside of the LA fitness center.

Nothing in the OPs write up even hints of any direct threats. She fears retaliation but it's not detailed why she fears retaliation.

The OP never states that she has directly told the chatterer that the communication is undesired. In fact she states she has ignored it and that the hint wasn't received.

So the complaint to law enforcement would be a LA Fitness member won't quit talking to me when I'm working out. He follows me from one machine to another talking to me. If we happen to meet up in the LA fitness parking lot he talks to me and comments about my baby. All contact happens at the LA fitness center. I've informed the staff at LA fitness center and while they acknowledge he's annoying they did not bar him from the premises. He's never made a threat towards me but I feel frightened all the same and am afraid of retaliation if I confront him.

Interesting. I can see both sides of this issue. I still don't think the guy is a predator or a stalker but if the OP was my daughter I'd probably be concerned. What the heck is wrong with this country when we have to fear people who talk too much?
Posted by BokiBean on 2009-05-04:
Its actually both of us getting stalked...the guy is a mental patient with full blown aids (bisexual) who is well known around these parts.

He does things like leave love letters with used condoms at the cars, call incessantly til we had to get an unlisted number, mess with the utilities and stand in front of the house staring, in the middle of the night. My big dog is going to eat his lunch someday...

He used to stalk a judge and his wife before us, so the police and legal profession around here know him well...but we had never heard of him til he started with us. Lucky us.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
For never having seen him, you sure know a lot about him.
That's good.
Basher gets similar love letters. you might mention this incident to her.

Might be the same guy. Probably is.
Posted by BokiBean on 2009-05-04:
Yeah well, things change when you go to court with someone...I know more about him than I ever wanted to.
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
You went to court with him? Did they black out his eyes so you wouldn't know him from Adam, as you stated?
Posted by BokiBean on 2009-05-04:
He spent 6 months in jail for stalking us. I thought I typed that earlier. We had to go to court for that to happen....
Posted by Mrs. V on 2009-05-04:
Well, what I would do (and most women can't seem to do this) is the very next time that this person bothers the OP she should turn to look the man right in the eyes and say, "I DO NOT want you to talk to me anymore. I DO NOT want for you to follow me around. I DO NOT want for you to sit next to me. If you contenue to harrass me, I will file a formal complaint with the police. Good day."

This person has been told that what he is doing is unacceptable and he is still doing it. He knows what he is doing (ie harrassing people and stalking them).

If this person continues to bother the OP. She should stop what she is doing, walk over to the main desk, pick up the phone and call the police (even if they can't really do anything, just having them come out may stop the man from harrassing the OP).

If the man harrasses the OP again after that, she will need to file for a restaning order (that will force the man to find another gym or at lest not be there at the same time as the OP). If he bothers her after that, call the police and have him arrested.

No woman should ever have to put up with this kind of teatment.

Posted by BokiBean on 2009-05-04:
Nicely said, Mrs. V!
Posted by Mrs. V on 2009-05-04:
Thank you ^_^

I teach 'Steet Martial Arts 101' and I always find the same problem.

Women don't want to 'hurt' someones feelings. They don't want to confront someone that is bothering/harrassing/hurting them.

It's so ingrained that it's 'normal' for a woman to put up with crap that a guy wouldn't dream of.

I tell people to read 'The Gift of Fear' by Gavin De Becker. It's a real eye opener.
Posted by BokiBean on 2009-05-04:
Excellent advice, Mrs V! Most of the women I know have had to learn how to say "not no, but HELL no!" and for some it takes years....
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-05-04:
Mrs. V definitely has the best answer on this one. Very good comments!
Posted by Starlord on 2009-05-04:
jkt, I admire your taste. I carry a Springfield Armory XD-45, and much prefer it because it is like a DA revolver to use. If needed, draw and squeeze the trigger. It has two safeties that work autmatically, and you dont have to manipulate them. Mrs. V, I admire your work and my wife and I used to have a store selling personal security items such as pepper sprays, stun guns and alarms. We told people not everyone can or should try to carry a firearm. I was a deputy sheriff, and have had much additional training, and feel comfortable with being a legally armed citizen. The gun is not the answer to all ills, but is a last resort when all else is on the line. Just remember, when seconds count, 911, the police are minutes away. If you're lucky.
Posted by Buddy01 on 2009-05-05:
Mrs. V gives excellent advice, including reading that book. It is very eye-opening.
Posted by superduper on 2011-06-19:
consider what you wear to the gym, for women if you do not want attention, do not go in wearing anything revealing, legs, upper body etc. Don't slip up once or he will catch what you look like and keep that image in his mind, guy just prolly looking for a date, you need to be straight up with him though and tell him to stop talking to you.
Posted by oldmember on 2013-03-09:
I know exactly the little bald guy you are referring to. He used to stalk me. I also complained and they did nothing. Go to another gym. He's always there...Brett, right?!?
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