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Paul Mitchell The School, A High End School? Or A Flop?
Posted by I know how you feel on 05/15/2008
I am currently having some "challenges" I would like to address.

My first issue is that I feel that this school is more focused on raising money than education. I think the fund-raising has gone a completely overboard. Giving boxes for selling pies and/or making donations is giving credit for something we never actually did. We're told that the State of Connecticut requires that we do a certain amount of cuts, perms (which I have yet to do), colors etc.

These requirements are getting completed by us donating money, getting someone else to donate money, or selling something like pies/coffee/body shop products/candles to raise money.

Also giving donations for hours is or should be illegal, and quite frankly its unfair to students who don't want to donate or simply can't. We have students who are struggling to make ends meet, and they want us to donate money for every little thing.

Second, there is an issue with hours. If a student doesn't hand in their worksheet on time, they don't give the hours to them even though the student is clocked in. I don't know where they come up with these ridiculous rules but myself and other students pay close to $20,000 or more to go to school here and we deserve the hours we put in. $20,000 may be pocket change to them, but to us, it isn't, and they clearly take our money for granted.

Along with the above paragraph, taking swipe cards is also pointless..needless to say. I don't want to have to chase "learning leaders" down for weeks on end to get my card to get my hours. That's what I'm paying for.

Third, they waste a lot of our valuable time. It's unnecessary to have "home room" for an hour or more. "Pow wow" is also to long. I understand if you need to tell us things and what's going on but we don't care to hear or tell "victories".

Fourth, another problem students have is when we need to get our boxes signed, the learning leaders always give us attitude. If they don't want to be bothered then get rid of our worksheets, other schools don't have them. We don't want to bother them as much as they don't want us to. Come up with a better way. Hey, how about they actually track what we do? Maybe even grade a hair cut or two on the floor?

Fifth, their main focus on the floor seems to be that they are more concerned in us selling products then giving a great haircut. They make quotas for us to sell X amount of bottles and if we don't they raise it. That's absurd! If we aren't selling 2 what makes them think we will hit 4?

Sixth, teaching us that we are going to make loads of money when we graduate is not accurate. Some Paul Mitchell students can't even get jobs because all we know is Paul Mitchell, and no one wants to take the time to retrain us. We don't pay to be "coached" on how much money we will make. I won't make anything if I'm not being taught.

Seventh, I haven't had a specialty classes in I don't know how long, its been that long. I want to learn something, please!!!!

Eighth, I want to say, that I think its ludicrous how they have all of these "extra" classes to be certified for in our school, and we actually have to pay for them in addition to our tuition. What is the $20,000 for? I would love to know.

This school was only number 1 last year because they raised money NOT because they have a 100% passing rate and a low percentage rate on drop outs and transfers. They actually have the highest percentage rate on that.

The school really isn't as great as the owners and their followers make it, and the saying goes both ways, "you can't judge a book by its cover". Paul Mitchell may look like a great school, but is it???? I don't think so.
     
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Posted by Anonymous on 2008-05-15:
There are exceptions. But, proprietary schools are generally a waste of tuition. Unfortunately, your trade/profession is rarely taught at a community college. Community colleges offer the most bang for the education buck. Thanks for the post. You have educated potential applicants.
Posted by I know how you feel on 2008-05-15:
The tution isnt rising, and they arent raising money for our school.

Its a competition that Paul Mitchell Schools in the US do, all of the schools compete to raise money for leeza gibbons and food for africa, and whoever wins gets a free paul mitchell educator to come to their school. All that happends when they come is they tell us how much money they make and how many cars they own, ect.

They have everyone sell products so that our school raises the most money, so they can be the #1 Paul Mitchell School in the US. They do it every year, and that is what the primary focus is for the school.

What they do is, for every $100 dollars a student brings in, wether it be a donation they make or someone else makes, they give you 8 hours towards your graduation. Cosmetology schools require 1500 hours of schooling. So basically, theyre buying their way to graduation with other peoples money. For example, one student got a hospital to donate $3000, they gave him 240 hours towards his graduation that he DOESNT have to go to school. Not trying to down him, but I think its insane or possibly illegal to give hours for donations...
Posted by rachett.85 on 2008-09-11:
sorry you dont think Paul Mitchell the school is as great as i do. i went to the school and graduated in 2005 with a wealth of knowledge i am now at a salon and am doing awesome..Paul mitchell schools teach the PM culture, pows wow and victorys are confidence builders to help you with challenges you may have..so instead of being negitive about these meetings..bring your problems up in the next pow wow..my learning leaders were great and im sure yours are too..maybe the problem is you and the negitive perspective you have. We raised alot of money for charities and i didnt interfere with our learning and at the end of the day made us feel like better people..take the hint...
Posted by 1life2live on 2009-01-22:
I agree with you. Paul Mitchell Nashville is just as bad. This school is hell, to me it's like a bunch of brats on a powertrip running the schools. Brainwashing us in CORE, then putting us thru hell on the floor, and all this other garbage. I came here to learn not to get robbed!!!
Posted by dess005 on 2009-10-14:
I agree. I just recieved a letter yesterday dated from 2 months ago stating my withdraw from the school and if i didnt call within 30 days they were sending it to collections. I have not yet recieved a phone call but i would have never even known had i not registered to another school and called them to pick up my transcripts. Not only do i have a balance with them but they would not release any of my information until I paid my balance in full. Im not talking about a small balance...Im talking like $8,000 to recieve almost 500 hours...what a joke
Posted by Geez Really on 2010-07-09:
Having the same issue as dess005. Not fun.
Posted by madmom on 2011-11-11:
My son had the same experience as dess005 and Geez Really. An admission's counselor at a reptable university told me these kind of schools are becoming a nightmare for charging exhorbitant fees and holding transcripts hostage when the full tuition isn't paid. He asked me to champion a cause and report this school to the BBB, Department of Education and State's Attorney. A review by these three entities should put a damper on this crooked system.
Posted by Glitteratti on 2012-11-26:
Just my experience. Paul Mitchell schools are a cult. I do have a problem with kissing a$$ and being a phony two faced fake that talks in a creepy low calm voice saying crazy things like " I just want to face so and so for doing highlights. I just want say I love you and I love all of my learning leaders. You all just inspire me so much and have changed my life." at this point the phony learning leaders reply with the fakest voice ever in return to what this fake a$$ kissing student has just said and they say something like " Aw thank you so and so it just such I pleasure teaching all of you have all changed my life and i love all of you" at this point both phony learning leader and future professional hug each other. Oh please give me break. Your experience being easier has nothing to do with hard work. It had to do with fake I love yous and free hugs. Since when did a hug ever cost you money. And since when did people start throwing out the words I love you so freely. The answer is it’s all fake. And the people who follow it are fake. Honestly, it doesn't even take much of accomplishment to work as a learning leader at these schools. As long as you were a phony student while you were there and you work at the $5 haircut place around the corner for 6 months you can come back and teach! How unbelievable is that! There is actually a student who was graduating around the time I started and now he’s a learning leader! That's like the blind leading the blind If you are remotely attractive you are screwed right away. They abuse the power, have favorites and make the lives miserable of the people they dislike/feel threatened by. It's basically equivalent to taking the most immature people in a high school and saying ‘hey now you’re a teacher and leaving them I charge of the rest of the class’. Expect there to be cattyness and never expect for there to ever be an ounce of professionalism at a Paul Mitchell the School Fresno. Sure, there might actually be a few good Paul Mitchell Schools out there, but there are pages and pages and pages of complaints from all over the country for a reason. People don't warn others just for fun.
Posted by Momofsix on 2013-02-15:
My daughter is currently going through the same issues along with a few more! She called me crying so hard today that I could barely understand a word she said! She worked so hard to get there and now doesn't even want to go back! She feels the same frustration of not learning and they screwed up her hours and refuse basically to fix them. When she tries to stand up for herself she's told to leave for the day! Who do we contact?
Posted by Bullies! on 2013-04-12:
And they promote the N-lighten? What a joke! It is so bad in the Virginia salons (wood bridge/Tyson (Tyson is full of bullies!). They call the white students "crackers" and they show favoritism to the black ghetto stylists who are bullies. Seriously they were their pajamas to school! Constant threats of violence. They run out and take smoke breaks all day long. Steal your money from your lockers. But if a white student does anything for one second they write you up! It is a pure scam. They force you to listen to hip-hop and rap music. Constantly making fun of anyone who is a Christian. The black hair stylists don't pay a dime for
tuition while others have to take out huge loans $15K. Its a constant cut down while the student next to you is in your face and your space. It is horrible unprofessional SCAM. My friend cries constantly over the bullying that is taking place and reverse racism going on! Paul Mitchell teachers are racists, bullies and very unprofessional!!!!!
Posted by Tom on 2013-08-12:
I agree with your experience. I just graduated from this school in Las Vegas. Your words are true. I wish i didnt attended this school. Thanks to you poeple know what is going on.
Posted by Demi Marie on 2013-08-13:
I completely agree with Glitteratti , the Paul Mitchell I attend is very similar there are favorites and if you are not apart of the "in crowd" watch out , the instructors are EXREMELY unprofessional and abuse their power every chance they get ! nothing is ever fair what applies to one student does not apply to the other an dthey dont care that this is known, I HATE I made decicded to attend this has been a complete waste of time
Posted by MARIE on 2013-11-14:
I agree with everyone... Im currently at Paul Mitchell Pasadena and it sucks..People kiss learning leaders A$$ and if you are not part of a group they tend to put you to the side...Learning leaders act like students, and are so rude...I'm trying to transfer but owe them 13000 when I only have 432hours... I hate going an ive tried calling the financial person and is never at hr office. Im so upset I dont know what to do......
Posted by Bp4612 on 2013-11-17:
Paul mitchell east bay terminated my daughter for dress code violation and are refusing to give her transcripts unless she pays the balance of 7000.00 which is also on top of the 13,000.00 sallie May loan she also has. We called corporate and they say they have a right to hold her transcripts. We are now going thru the BBB. I believe they wait till these students are at 63 percent of their time to terminate them so they can collect the full tuition. This was my daughter's dream to attend this school and basically they have turned seething that should have been a happy experience for her to crap. I don't understand how they continue to get away with this
Posted by saysitall on 2014-01-07:
These comments are absolutely true. I was a very good student but don't think I fell for their solppy Free Hugs and I love you culture. I saw things I should never see or hear in this school. And the head honchos are proud of what they represent? They are too busy to pay attention becauset hey are laughing all the way to the nearest bank because you were stupid enough to pay it,
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Not worth the 15 grand
Posted by Lovehatepaulmitchell on 03/12/2007
ORLANDO, FLORIDA -- Paul Mitchell is suppose to be a name everyone in america can trust, well they should totally avoid all the schools across the globe at all cost. Its a petty mis managed school that doesnt help students but steals from them at any cost. If you have a passion for hair do everything you can to avoid the paul mitchell schools, its not worth all the money and in my years of training there im not only fed up with the teachers drama but i still cant do a simple blow dry. And dont bother telling them how poorly they run the school because they'll only do more than they can to make it worse.

All and all the orlando school has made a permanet damage to my life
     
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Posted by heaven17 on 2007-03-12:
Not to get off-topic, but I've seen commercials where Paul Mitchell is talking about possible counterfeit Paul Mitchell products being distributed. Do people actually counterfeit hair products? I know they're expensive, but it never would have occurred to me.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-03-12:
Explain to us the part about your life being permanently (pun not mine) damaged?
Posted by Ponie on 2007-03-12:
'...in my years of training there...' What? MANY years of training? Are you a slow learner or only attend the school two hours a week? What makes you the expert in running a school if you haven't even learned to do a blow dry?
Posted by Noneill on 2007-03-12:
What did they do to you that you are complaining about? I had no idea beauty school costs 15 Grand.
Posted by *Brenda* on 2007-03-12:
heaven, I've heard of stores thinning the shampoo and stuff out with water.
Posted by heaven17 on 2007-03-12:
I did a little reading up on it and found out that some of the Mitchell stuff being sold in grocery and drug stores can be really, really old and dangerous. Like teeming-with-bacteria dangerous. Just when you think life can't get anymore bizarre...
Posted by I know how you feel on 2008-05-15:
Hey I know how you feel, I was just posting this compaint online when I saw yours... only my tuition was closer to 20 thousand... and they wont give me any money back to switch schools... I wish I knew what I was getting myself into when I signed up for this flop of a school..

This is my complaint.

I am currently having some "challenges" I would like to address.

My first issue is that I feel that this school is more focused on raising money than education. I think the fund-raising has gone a completely overboard. Giving boxes for selling pies and/or making donations is giving credit for something we never actually did. We're told that the State of Connecticut requires that we do a certain amount of cuts, perms (which I have yet to do), colors etc.

These requirements are getting completed by us donating money, getting someone else to donate money, or selling something like pies/coffee/body shop products/candles to raise money.

Also giving donations for hours is or should be illegal, and quite frankly its unfair to students who don't want to donate or simply can't. We have students who are struggling to make ends meet, and they want us to donate money for every little thing.

Second, there is an issue with hours. If a student doesn't hand in their worksheet on time, they don't give the hours to them even though the student is clocked in. I don't know where they come up with these ridiculous rules but myself and other students pay close to $20,000 or more to go to school here and we deserve the hours we put in. $20,000 may be pocket change to them, but to us, it isn't, and they clearly take our money for granted.

Along with the above paragraph, taking swipe cards is also pointless..needless to say. I don't want to have to chase "learning leaders" down for weeks on end to get my card to get my hours. That's what I'm paying for.



Third, they waste a lot of our valuable time. It's unnecessary to have "home room" for an hour or more. "Pow wow" is also to long. I understand if you need to tell us things and what's going on but we don't care to hear or tell "victories".

Fourth, another problem students have is when we need to get our boxes signed, the learning leaders always give us attitude. If they don't want to be bothered then get rid of our worksheets, other schools don't have them. We don't want to bother them as much as they don't want us to. Come up with a better way. Hey, how about they actually track what we do? Maybe even grade a hair cut or two on the floor?

Fifth, their main focus on the floor seems to be that they are more concerned in us selling products then giving a great haircut. They make quotas for us to sell X amount of bottles and if we don't they raise it. That's absurd! If we aren't selling 2 what makes them think we will hit 4?

Sixth, teaching us that we are going to make loads of money when we graduate is not accurate. Some Paul Mitchell students can't even get jobs because all we know is Paul Mitchell, and no one wants to take the time to retrain us. We don't pay to be "coached" on how much money we will make. I won't make anything if I'm not being taught.

Seventh, I haven't had a specialty classes in I don't know how long, its been that long. I want to learn something, please!!!!

Eighth, I want to say, that I think its ludicrous how they have all of these "extra" classes to be certified for in our school, and we actually have to pay for them in addition to our tuition. What is the $20,000 for? I would love to know.

This school was only number 1 last year because they raised money NOT because they have a 100% passing rate and a low percentage rate on drop outs and transfers. They actually have the highest percentage rate on that.

The school really isn't as great as the owners and their followers make it, and the saying goes both ways, "you can't judge a book by its cover". Paul Mitchell may look like a great school, but is it???? I don't think so.


Posted by rachett.85 on 2008-09-11:
i was going to type a long paragraph to school you on your dumb complaint but i see the rest of the people did it..good for them..
Posted by walkslikeromance on 2009-05-03:
WOW... you deff must have been one of the ones losing it all. Cause deff, Ive learned more here at this school than I ever thought I would. The classes are AMAZING and I dont understand why you wouldn't have gone to them... they are ALWAYS offered to you. It seems to me that your one of the bitter students that just couldn't handle the amazing culture and learning we have for you. I feel sorry for you. Quit your b*tching.
Posted by LYNN on 2012-02-25:
I have contacted an Attorney for all these issues. including holding My financial AID money when I was due a refund and lost my apartment and car. I believe there will be a class action Lawsuit. This school is a ripoff! They fundraise for a tAX WRITE OFF! they have no disablity department, but fundraise for a student who suffered from BIpolar and commited suicide They could careless about any student suffering from a disability!!! PAUL MITCHELL THE SCHOOL LOUISVILLE is a SCAM!!!!
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Paul Mitchell The School Of Normal Il Rude And Uncaring
Posted by Cass2u2 on 03/31/2011
NORMAL, ILLINOIS -- I took night classes there and was forced to tolerate rude vulgar language by other students! When I went to the learning leaders and school staff I was told to * get over it and lighten up that being cursed at should not bother me because I was older then most of the people that went there. The learning leaders turn a blind eye and refuse to help you for any reason. The staff only care about the money!! I was so let down by Paul Mitchell the school of Normal IL, so I dropped out because I kept getting treated like garbage and when I went to fill out the paper work and state the reason I was leaving I started to write unhappy with school and rude staff and the financial aid lady grabbed my arm and yanked the paper out of my hands telling me to leave. I was livid! Of course it was only me and her in that room so once again I get shafted with no proof. But do not go to that school it has ruined my life not that anyone cares associated with that Paul Mitchell school in Normal IL. But beware look elsewhere it's only a money factory they do not care about you only money money money...

This school should be ashamed they need to investigate this school asap!!!! It's awful!!!!!!!!!!! So glad I never have to go back!!!
     
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Posted by Ytropious on 2011-04-01:
They can't control the other students OP. They are allowed to converse with each other in whatever way they wish.
Posted by fkaiser on 2011-04-01:
They can control.the students by having something that's been around for years called RULES....even if its a school it should be a respectful environment were you go learn a profession. I'm glad you got out.
Posted by Anonymous on 2011-04-01:
In a work environment, the "students" could be fired and the "learning leaders" reprimanded.

Of course, some people and places (such as websites) *do* expect others to just suck it up and tolerate such vulgarities and vileness.

Good review!
Posted by Anonymous on 2011-04-01:
It is a school for ADULTS and like kids they can misbehave but it's not the "learning leaders" job to discipline grown ups.
If vulgar language is all the OP had to endure and while that can be disturbing it shouldn't lead to ruining one's life.
I'd like to hear the school's version. There is a lot more to this story.
Posted by Anonymous on 2011-04-01:
I don't think there is more to it. The school was allowing what a company would call a "hostile work environment" to be fostered. The school did nothing to mitigate the creation of that environment.
Posted by srbenedicta on 2011-04-01:
Astoria, Oregon, had a fine beauty for many years. When the owner retired Paul Mitchell bought the business. It wasn't too long before it was shut down because of unsanitary conditions, shoddy training practices, etc.
Posted by Anonymous on 2011-04-01:
If I'm paying money to go to school, I expect to be in a professionally ran institution. It's not unreasonable to expect the instructors to address inappropriate classroom behavior. And ultimately, if the OP chose to leave, she should be allowed to state the reason for leaving, right?

Unfortunately, a lot of these salon type schools rely on the grant money they get from students, if students are expelled, that money would also need to be paid back to the state (I'm assuming).

Posted by Anonymous on 2011-04-01:
Some people never grow out of the high school mentality. But, we do need to learn how to deal with people like that in the real world.
Posted by Anonymous on 2011-04-01:
I don't think adults should conduct themselves like this either, at school, work or in any public place. I hate even being at the grocery store and listening to the stuff coming out of some people's mouths. When did it become "fashionable" to use profanity in every sentence? It just makes people sound like low-class scum, if you ask me.

Cass, refuse to let other people bring you down with their ignorance. There just has to be better schools out there.

I don't know about Paul Mitchell Salons, but I do know that their hair products are terrible.
Posted by Anonymous on 2011-04-01:
I agree, Yaya.

The lack of vocabulary shows one's lack of intelligence.
Posted by momofformerstudent on 2012-01-26:
My daughter had a similiar experience there and we are no fighting about tuition. She was treated badly and they are beyond rude. I called to discuss something with them and they never returned my call and that was before she withdrew.
Posted by sunup90 on 2012-08-02:
this is rediculous. i go to paul mitchell the school of normal and have been here for over 10 months and there are few students that dont make it through the program because they drop out because they simply dont want to cooperate. every school has its downfalls and things that need to be worked on, but there is no perfect in our world. they provide the BEST education by giving you the BEST learning leaders with experience. they provide different teams such as green team, student council, pet club, design team, be nice or else, and much more to help you be involved in the s school as much as possible. they provide classes 3 days a week for 4 hours, not including all of the mini classes they privide the days that you are on the floor. they make sure that evaluations are done each month on 3 or more different hands on, such as a particular kind of haircut, manicure, or facial in which they time you and grade you on the whole thing. these are done to make sure that you are learning what you need to be learning and that you are where you need to be at the point of the program in which you are at. every tuesday of the week a guest speaker is scheduled to come to the school to give us what they have to offer in the cosmetology program. some coming all the way from las vegas, chicago, los angeles just to name a few. we have the BEST education in the cosmetology program. and as far as fund raisers, how about this one. paul mitchell the school gives you the opportunity as a student to fund raise your way to las vegas for 3 days to stay in caesars palace with 3000 other paul mitchell future proffessionals where you have classes with the best of the best paul mitchell mentors such as takashi, angus mitchell, robert cromeans and tabatha coffey. Not to mention the school offers an intern like program once you hit your 1000 hours called phase two. phase two students are expected to be able to perform all of the haircuts , perms , colors, foils , relaxers etc perfectly as well as know everything about them. product knowledge is a must at paul mitchell to know what products suit your clients best. phase two is a program to help you build your speed and your talent so that you are the most prepared that you can be before you go into a salon. this school has programs upon programs to help you succeed and be the best that you possibly can be. its unfortunate that there are actually people who let the small negatives overcome the many positives that this school has to offer.
Posted by Desiree on 2013-08-20:
I went to cosmetology school in Nova Scotia, Canada. NOT a Paul Mitchell School, but a very strict school. I was quite a bit younger at this time, and many things that we were "made" to do frustrated me and angered me then. We were told "hairdressers do NOT sit down, find something to do or clean!"... We thought we were being treated unfairly, but once out in the REAL world of cosmetology, I was grateful for the life lessons I learned while in school, the discipline that school taught me, and the flexibility to deal with many personalities and issues that can arise in the cosmetology industry. If you cannot deal with your school, how will you deal with your life in the cosmetology business? This is not an "easy" or "quick buck" business. It takes much dedication, hard work and sacrifice, and a lot of dealing with difficult personalities. Good luck to all of you out there, working hard to fulfill your dreams. Remember, nothing comes without hard work and dedication.
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Was being rude
Posted by Britsue on 01/21/2011
DAVENPORT, IOWA -- I received text messages from my daughter, Brittany; she told me that she wants me to stop by Davenport school (Paul Mitchell), to give them all the information they needed so my daughter could start her class there at Bradley, Illinois.
I was told to see this person, Darrin because Brittany spoke with him about the situation and even told him about her mother being deaf.

While I was there, I explained to him what I had to do, he just got up to walk away and whispered around.(left me sitting there looking so dumb?) I said to myself, okay if they cannot help me or my daughter to submit all the information they needed to process her class then why am I wasting my time, coming out here for? So I decided to leave....but this girl chased after me to apologize, asked me to tell her what happened so I did then she told me to give her the papers with all the information they needed and went inside to make some copies.
     
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Posted by Alain on 2011-01-22:
So they got the information, copied it and now your daughter can start class, correct?
Posted by Anonymous on 2011-01-22:
Not everyone is schooled in Deaf etiquette britsue, don't take it as an affront. I find myself forgetting sometimes and turning away to speak to someone, instead of making sure the Deaf person can see my lips and hands, which is extremely rude, and I know better.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2011-01-22:
As longtime HOH and wearing hearing aids myself (hate them and don't wear them all the time, especially at home and local shopping), I can appreciate your frustration. You were taken care of so that's good. I've found out that most people just don't know how to cope with deaf or hard of hearing, or are a little embarrassed trying to communicate. Not their fault. Usually I will carry a notepad and pen and give it to the clerk to write if I am having a big problem.
Heck my biggest problem is my wife mumbling and turning away from me while she is talking. Course after almost 50yrs, I don't need to hear a lot she says :)
Posted by trmn8r on 2011-01-22:
As others have said, I think these people just didn't appreciate the fact you are deaf. I would love to think they didn't intentionally ignore or fail to share information with you.
Posted by Nohandle on 2011-01-22:
No offense, but if you are deaf how do you know he was whispering? My SIL usually speaks in a very soft voice and I have to tell her to speak louder because I can't hear her half the time. It's her normal tone and she's the only person I have that problem with. It can be aggravating.

I do think he should not have walked away without giving you some indication of what he was doing and where he was going. He had, after all, been told you were deaf.

This is a nice reminder for everyone. If an individual has a problem you are aware of, attempt to help them with as little embarrassment as possible. At least you are trying.
Posted by jktshff1 on 2011-01-22:
On another note, when I first got my hearing aids years ago, the guys at work would be standing around talking. When I walked up, they would just mouth and not say anything....they got a kick out of me trying to adjust my aids to join the conversation....but heck, they got a kick out of it. I guess it's a guy thing. Good joke, I never took offense to it all in fun.
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