STEPHANIE, COLORADO -- I regret to write this but feel it is completely necessary. So...my husband was foolish enough to get talked into a timeshare presentation while we were staying at our hotel in Las Vegas. I knew from the beginning it was a horrible idea but they conned us in with promos and tickets, blah blah blah. The trip to the resort was fine, a little mysterious but we went along for the ride. We arrived at the Wyndham Resort with the expectation that we would be subjected to a 2 hour presentation about the timeshares, followed by the "gifting" of our tickets, etc.
We sat through a great sales presentation and were very impressed by the entire package...initially. After the presentation came a numbers game/swindle where my husband's credit was ran without verbal consent or prior knowledge and a "tour" of the facilities. All was ok and honestly we were somewhat impressed. In no way prepared to sign anything that day and expressed that to our " sales" representative David. He was understanding and courteous and we thought we were finished.
Enter now the arrogant and overly abrasive "manager" to try and seal the deal. What followed was a complete ambush of our character and at one point the "manager" had the nerve to call us ignorant for not signing up for their package. What a horrible and abusive tactic to swindle two hardworking Individuals into signing up for a huge life changing investment. We were shocked and disgusted by the approach and told them both that although we were initially impressed, after this display of tact or lack thereof, we would in no way support such an organization.
It didn't stop there...we were then told that we would get a shuttle ride back to our hotel...wrong. The driver showed up and said "I'm not supposed to drive you if you didn't sign up." At this point I honestly considered the possibility that I had entered the 3 gate of hell or purgatory and we're somehow being held there for some bigger meaning. I just wanted to get the ** out of there! Eventually another "shuttle showed up and took us home. I'm ashamed to say that we spent a good portion of our vacation on the promise of a better traveling experience. My husband and I will have Nothing to do with this company. You should all be ashamed.
SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS -- THIS COMPANY DID THIS TO US SO PLEASE USE CAUTION IN BELIEVING WHAT THEY SAY. This company, they are very smooth at making you feel comfortable and as if you care. However later when you think about it you realize they are full of it. We had a case open and July 3rd I spoke to Hope ** and she tried to teach us about our points and tried to get us to vacation. She even admitted she had heard of the salespeople telling clients the same things we were told.
But did not offer any help besides teaching us about our points. Later we thought half our points are going to be gone. We can not even get into where we want now with all these points when the other points disappear it will be worse. Let me explain some of the nonsense we have ran into with this insane company.
-Originally we were told the points would roll over year to year, at our next vacation, said we have to upgrade in order for this to occur. However, from what I read that is not even the case, they expire each year no matter what so they just told us that to get us to buy more!
-We were told we could not get into our home hotel anymore because they are becoming suites for owners with more points. This again in hindsight was to try to get us to buy more. That is 3 lies so far this company has said to us in order to induce a purchase.
-We were also told we can no longer book out 10 months in advance unless we upgrade. Why would they take that away from us?
-The bills are confusing and no one seems to be able to explain what is what.
-When we complained they admitted they gave us temporary points so now if we vacation we will not be able to go where we originally were sold on. This was not an outright lie but a look you can do this but only for the first 2 years but you are stuck paying for ever!!! No thank you!!
-You have to go to sales meetings each vacation. So we have been on 2-5 day vacations (now less with half our points gone) and only 4 days are vacationing. Wyndham holds you up to milk you for more money on the 1st day there. They do this to ensure you do not have time to get out of the contract in its rescission period.
ABERDEEN, SOUTH DAKOTA -- For us Wyndham was the best as far as locations for our vacations, for all our timeshares. However, none of the others had to lie to us to get us to buy. The fact they told us they would even out our maintenance fees to get us to upgrade; and then later we found out that was not the case! That was the nail in the coffin for us. We do not appreciate being lied to. Emerald Grande, every time we stay, they will beg you to have a representative come to your unit if you refuse to go to an owner update meeting. They make you feel bad and say they will not get their bonus if they will not accept. Bonnet Creek, Fl, they are very rude. Event the senior sales representative said we were wasting his time because we did not update. This company is rotten to the core!
MISSOURI -- We fortunately did not buy into this program. The salespeople lied to us saying they would not pressure us if it was not our cup of tea....they lied because they would not take no for an answer. They basically told my husband that he was not a good husband/father/grandfather because he would not buy into the resorts to enable our family to "make memories".
The supervisor argued with my husband & tried to make him feel guilty for saying no. We tried to tell them our family would not benefit from the program, they had an answer for everything, making it sound like we were depriving our family from "making memories". They did not inquire about our income to see if we could even afford to buy. We were told it would be 1 1/2 hour presentation, it was 3 hours. My advice is if you find yourself in this mess....run!!
DESTIN, FLORIDA -- Please everyone, whenever you hear about WYNDHAM VACATION RESORTS and they wanted you to come and sign up, please do not sign up. They are liars and deceivers. They will tell you something and you will realized it was all a lie. They tricked us into getting it and we found out the whole thing was $96000. They will lie to you and kept you in the presentation for hours, just to make you sign your whole savings away. PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN TO ANY SALES PERSON FROM WYNDHAM VACATION RESORTS.
NASHVILLE, TN, TENNESSEE -- I wish I had read the reviews on this site before I attended a "presentation" about Club Wyndham time share vacations. I would never have gone and put myself through this experience. What a waste of a beautiful day. The "pitch" to get me there was that I had won 4 airline tickets in a drawing for a car at a local shopping mall. I did drop an entry in for the car. So, thinking I could use 4 airline tickets over a 2 year period, I decided reluctantly to go to a 2 hour tour of a nearby Wyndham resort. Couldn't get the tickets I "won" unless I attended.
First thing wrong they said there would be food. Very little food was left in the buffet pans and it looked gross. Skipped that. Next was a group presentation which was I assume meant to be informative and entertaining. It was vague as far as information and obnoxious. The presenter could have been less perky and cutesy and more informative about the membership "offer" we were about to receive in the next segment of this presentation. We then went with a representative assigned to us who sat at a small table and went over how this timeshare/vacation ownership thing worked.
At this point it had been about two hours and knowing that this wasn't for me and I wasn't going to "purchase" anything on the spot, I told the representative I was ready to go and may I please have my "gift" of the airline tickets. From this point on it all went south. She said the presentation was not over. We said that we were not interested we're not going to purchase, therefore the "tour" of the property was not necessary. Apparently it was.
We asked to see a manager who came by and told her to take us on the tour and then we could go. We still did not have the promised tickets so reluctantly we followed her to view a "room". When we get back to the desk area, another representative was presented to give us the pricing on "our " offer. We said no, not interested. Didn't matter we had to sit through this too.
Ok, so you got to a "tour" - you get a two hour overkill presentation and are full expected to sign up to become a member that moment with no forewarning for a minimum of about 20,000. This gets you enough "points" to spend on one week long vacation a year for as long as you live and you can pass it on. Of course you get offers to spend more. There's lots of rules and regulations attached to these offers. They don't go over that.
What makes this a bad experience is the sales team. They act like you are their friend and they are only trying to help you get into this great deal. They become very offended when you don't want to buy into it. They come very close to making you feel like you have to buy in order not to be rude. They also come very close to making you feel guilty if you don't do this for your family. In other words, they are bullies. When you try and leave before they are done they just keep on with their sales pitch and look at you like "you aren't leaving till I get your money."
I would like to see some statistics on how many people purchase a membership just because of the pressure applied by theses sales people. They kind of make you feel stupid and ungrateful for their time and this wonderful offer they are presenting to you. Oh, and if you don't get this "discounted offer" this time, the next time you come to a presentation the discount offered just this once won't be offered again. There won't be a next time.
After buying two Wyndham timeshares and listening to several other presentations, I believe I can offer useful advice on listening to a timeshare presentation. The first thing that will happen is your salesperson will ask some general questions to get you to talk about your travel and vacation habits, what are your likes and dislikes, and any personal info they can glean. They use this to tailor their presentation to amplify the things you like and answer or avoid your dislikes. You won't even notice this manipulation. This is not dishonest, it is just how selling is done.
For example, my wife mentioned that she was disappointed that the salesperson we bought our first timeshare from never followed up; our second salesman ** soon began to say how he liked to keep in touch with his "thousand owners" and keep them appraised of events; how his owners always liked to call. When he stepped away for a minute, another salesperson came over to tell us how fortunate we were to have such an attentive salesman as **, all his owners just loved his followthrough. It was all an act, of course.
After we bought, he did not follow through on anything. We called him once for an explanation of something he told us that was a flat lie; he said he was busy and would call right back. We never heard from him again. Lesson: the salesman is not your friend; before the sale you are a potential source of income; after the sale, you are an irritating waste of his time.
This is very important: the only completely truthful things you will hear are those few facts that will be in writing on the two dozen documents you will sign if you buy. Everything else will be half truths or outright lies. The timeshare product is made deliberately complicated, and is full of qualifications, rules, policies, exceptions and practices that make your benefits less than you were led to believe. The purpose is to make you want to buy more points to fill in the deficiencies. You will be continually dismayed later as nothing is how you thought.
A few examples: they said our points were good for a year. We were surprised to be told seven months later that our points were soon to expire. They never revealed the first year was only nine months, and were quite happy to let us believe the year would be 12 months. We got bonus points from the first timeshare, good for two years (but only one year nine months as it turns out), and more bonus points for our second timeshare. I added the two together, and our salesman was only too happy to show us all the places we could go with that many points.
He knew, but didn't tell us, that the second bonus points were to be delayed 10 months until the first bonus points expired, so they couldn't be added together. There will be many, many such qualifications that they know but will not reveal without a direct question.
When points are about to expire, you transfer them to RCI, which converts them into weeks that you can book at any RCI resort. Sounds great and your salesman will spend a lot of time showing you the great resorts. That much is true. What he won't tell you is that there is so much demand, that you will be calling to get on a waiting list for 18 to 24 months in advance for nice resorts in season. And you have to pay the transaction fee up front. And if you fail to get the booking, you've just lost a year or two on the life of your week. No wonder they conceal it.
Here's a more serious example. We couldn't swing the second timeshare, as I asked if we might recoup some of the money by renting out our week in Orlando over Christmas. ** showed us Christmas room rates for resorts nearby that were astonishingly high, enough to recoup half our purchase price. Now we own and have the Christmas week booked, but we find we will be lucky to get a fifth of what we expected. I think he was showing us the posted rates for those other resorts.
You know, when you stay at a $49 Motel 6, and on the back of the door the posted rate for the room is $215. He knew we were never going to get those numbers, but was quite happy to nudge us into believing whatever would get him the sale. Unfortunately, It was this prospect of covering half our purchase price that sold me.
Think they will not tell an outright lie? Wyndham offers what they call Party Weekends, where you get two or three days at a top resort, a meal or two, and some top rated entertainment like a Knicks game or tickets to a pro golf tournament. ** said "and for VIPs, they are FREE". For the very top entertainment, "they might charge $100, but mostly they are free. But you are limited to three per year." This one thing sold my wife, but it was a deliberate lie. Party Weekends go for $700 and up, most of them over $1,000.
Before you go to your first presentation, go to eBay and search for "wyndham timeshares". You will find many for sale at one fifth or less that the price from Wyndham. Why so low? With the annual fees and taxes, the inconveniences, the hidden qualifications and conditions, it's not really that good a deal. Remember, as a Wyndham salesmen told me last week as he tried to sell me more points, "points are points, it doesn't matter what home resort they are from." If you think you might like timeshare, get one on eBay for $500 and see how you like it.
We went to the Wyndham Vacation resort sales pitch in San Antonio.... WHAT A JOKE! I will start by saying that we got there and they give you a form to fill out "to save time on the sales pitch". This form asked for all your personal information, i.e. name, address and SSN... REALLY?! There was a disclaimer that you would give Wyndham permission to run your credit. I stopped right there and took that paper with me, there is no way I am going to give my SSN out, there is no reason for them to have it. Well the deception started... everyone was friendly and willing to give us the BEST VACATION DEAL EVER! Well, we went in knowing we were not going to buy anything.
We were just fulfilling our 90 minute sales pitch obligation, which they would give us a $200 gift card at the end. Luckily the sales office was 5 minutes away from the hotel where we were staying. The sales person started with six question to figure out how we like to travel. How long we travel, etc. I am a 4 day 3 night type of vacationer. I don't like to be away from home much more than that, I am ready to get home and sleep in my own bed at that point. The sales person looked at me a little funny because I said that, oh well! Then the sales person was going to "price out" my future vacations... this is so off when it comes to numbers.
A few of the destinations we could stay with friends a few night, so that in itself saves money. Well, the sales person did not want to count that so we had to give another destination....whatever. Talk, talk, talk.... then the 10 minute video was shown to us, boring and seems liked hired actors. The "families" didn't even look like they could be related. From the beginning we got a feeling that this was all a SCAM. But we listened. Then after the video, we were shown how much taking a vacation over the next 30 years would cost. Mind you, the sales person used 7 days, when I told them we go for 4 days 3 nights... let's compare apples to apples shall we? Not in their case...
The figure they came up with was 130K for the 30 year period...ha ha! I also let them know that I have a lot of connections in the travel and hospitality business so I didn't pay full price for things and if you shop around you can get better deals. Then we were taken to the property to view the rooms. They were nice, but everyone vacations differently. The rooms were over the top and just not what we needed. Well at the end the sales person was going to ask me if I wanted to sign up, to say YES or NO. Oh, I forgot to mention that I told the sales person once we got there, we were buying a house... the sales person didn't seem overly concerned.
There is no way I was going to jeopardize my home for some crazy time share. The sales person closed with well, it will be 25% down, around 16K and how would you like to pay for that? People have lost their mind... Then when we said NO, they did the obvious, T. O. (turnover) I knew that was coming. The "manager" came over and said "so how do we get you signed up?" I told him the same thing that we were buying a house and didn't want my credit run or jeopardize my future home. The sales manager did not care. He came with a cheaper option. The first option was $68,000 for 308,000 points and the second option was 64,000 the sales manager lost his mind.
When I say NO, I mean No. Then the sales manager had the gall to interrogate us about our home purchase. Who is your realtor? I said, "what? I am sorry but that is none of your business." Then went off to say that he sold homes before, so he could help. Then was asked who is your builder and not nicely, more in like you better tell me. HE offended me by the way he felt entitled to interrogate us at this point said "do you not understand that we are not going to buy anything?" As he and I both knew that this was a no obligation to buy sales pitch. That we completed our end of the deal by coming here and we said NO. He got annoyed and said "let's get you checked out."
They are nuts selling something for so much money and when we told them we go on vacations when we can and it's normally for 4 days and 3 nights. If we can drive we do. They try to pressure you to buy, their Jedi mind tricks did not work. It goes back to the old saying, "if it's too good to be true..." I am strong willed and when we got there we were not going to buy a thing. We did get our $200 AMEX gift card and enjoyed spending it a lunch.
The sales pitch was actually 2 hrs not 90 minutes. Just a warning, if the Wyndham sales team are so desperate to sell and feel they have the right to interrogate you because you chose not to buy, just imagine how they will treat you when you become a member and have an issue... no thanks!
ORLANDO, FLORIDA -- Never Wyndham again for my family! We do not own a timeshare with these guys, and with our experience never will! Try imagining a 9hr plane ride to your dream vacation in Hawaii, to get to the "resort" you were supposed to be at and the reservation was canceled. Almost 2 hours dealing with the gentleman at the resort plus another at a sister resort to try and figure out what happened.
Obviously I didn't cancel the reservation, or else I wouldn't have been there. I actually had to send my confirmation letter to 3 different people, and yet nobody could figure it out. I was even called by a nice lady to confirm my stay a week earlier and give us some thoughts on some sites to go see.
Needless to say, the resort, refused any wrongdoing and blamed it on Wyndham vacation booking. Talk with Wyndham vacation booking, and they blame it on the resort. Eventually we got a room, but they still made us go to the ridiculous timeshare presentation. Where they didn't understand "NO THANK YOU" but then proceeded to keep us there for 3 hours. Pretty much wasted a whole day all together in dealing with this worthless company. I will never again use a hotel, resort, or anything remotely affiliated with Wyndham. Good luck to those who do, as if you have any sort of issues, they will do nothing to correct.