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Online Classes are not Flexible
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ONLINE, MICHIGAN -- I graduated form ground campus, with AA degree on general business on 2009 when I register with them they told me they are going to help me to find a job, but at that time I did not need it because I was working, but when I lost my job and I need it them to help me they wear not there for me, they just direct you to their websites, where suppose different companies they are hiring, but I don't see to get hired, so I decided to get back to college to get my BA degree but this time I am taking online classes, again according to their advertisement, it say that the online classes are flexible, which when I got in I thought it was okay, until I got some instructors who don't give you credit for the work because is five minutes late, so I don't call that flexible. If a class is six week, or 12 weeks, the student should be able to tuned their work at any time before the weeks are over, like Phoenix University do it, because most online students are adult working student, yes you do the time management, but there are days that thinks don't work the way you planned, for example you have sick children, or you are six, and if you attend it halfway in class and you get sick, you have no choice but to drop out and don't get any money back, but if the student turned the work before the weeks are over, it gives the student more time to do their home work, for example, most of us we have two days off work in those two day most students spend it to catch up with the home work and assignment.

There been many classes I have to drop out because of the "Flexibility"! I have five more classes to graduate with BA degree, and I don't expect them to find me a job, especially now I lived in Florida, because they already told me that they don't work with companies out of Michigan where their home state is.
     
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Alain on 2011-11-06:
The reviews I have just read about Baker are either glowing or very negative with no middle ground. There are obviously some problems and any prospective student should research the school very thoroughly prior to committing to a program with them.
Todd on 2014-07-18:
I know this review was written several years ago, but I need to reply to it. The reviewer sounds very frustrated and has every right to voice how they feel. The challenge is spelling and grammar in the review. If I received a letter, resume or application with this number of spelling and grammar errors, I would not be able to hire this person. My concern is how this person earned a degree from Baker. As an employer, one expects a person with a 2 year degree to be able to compose a fluid and grammatically correct document. Clearly, this person was not given that level of education. Yes, this reviewer is responsible for learning the material, but Baker failed to give this student the education required to earn a 2 year degree. It is sad that someone spent so much time and money for a degree that was given rather than earned.
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Don't Waste your money on Baker College
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AUBURN HILLS, MICHIGAN -- I have attended Baker College of Auburn Hills for almost 5 years, just trying to obtain my Bachelors degree. I do have to say that they've had some amazing instructors and I wish them the best. However, Baker College is a scam and a joke. They advertise affordable tuition and classes that fit the working adults schedule. HA!!! Those are lies. The financial aid advisors are uneducated about student problems. They are improperly trained and the head of the department condones this! When it comes to class availability that doesn't happen. I had 5 classes left including and internship and they weren't offering them at all except during fall quarter when they offered all 5 on the same night. I was told that I should have scheduled better and there was nothing they would do. I spoke to the Dean and he told me there were 3500 other students they were worried about and I was not one of them.

I registered a complaint with the BBB and Baker told them there was nothing they could do for me. I should have taken the classes when they were offered. It's hard to take 5 classes in one night! I was told I would have to travel to a different campus that was 45 minutes away if I wanted to graduate. I was finally able to get 2 of my classes that I need after much stress and frustration. I was recently sick with the flu and could not make it to the class. The assignment was stated in the sylabus as worth 10 points. I figured that it wouldn't hurt my grade too much to miss it or hopefully should would work with me on doing something to make it up. She emailed me 12hours after I sent the email and 2 hours after the class started saying that the assignment was worth 100 points and not 10. It was going to drop my grade significantly and that I should be advised. I will say that this class was an independent study because no one else, at this time, was able to take this class. This school dishes out threats, false advertisements, and poorly trained staff.

Please beware that you will not get a good education here. You will be too busy trying to get what you're paying for!
     
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jenjenn on 2008-02-08:
I guess if you really wanted to graduate, you should have traveled the 45 minutes to the other location - rather than whine about it on a website.
Justusryan on 2008-02-08:
good call jenjen.
Ponie on 2008-02-08:
Since it usually takes four years to attain a bachelor's degree going to school full time, what's unusual about an adult(?) taking more than five years going part time? Of course, when you began at Baker you were in frequent contact with your counselor, weren't you? If the financial aid department personnel were so inept in their suggestions, why don't you do this on your own?

Baker has a good reputation. I was pleased with the performance of a couple part-timers I once had on my payroll. Wish I could have afforded them full time. I know someone who lives in Berkley who drove to the Flint campus of UM three nights a week to get the final requirements for her degree. If you're really serious about it, 45 minutes is a cake-walk.

Guess the snow in Auburn Hills yesterday kept you away from both school and your job, right? I see you were quite busy on this board. It was bad in Troy, too.

'Please beware that you will not get a good education here. You will be too busy trying to get what you're paying for!' I'll agree with one thing: The education received at Baker must not be very good because that comment makes absolutely no sense. Maybe Subway will rehire you.
Jody P. on 2008-09-23:
While it is unfortunate that the staff treated you as they did, it is up to you as the student to schedule your classes efficiently. I learned this at a community college working on my Associate's degree and will never make that mistake again. It is not the college's fault that you failed to plan your schedule according to when the college offers the classes.
Meenos on 2009-03-28:
Baker College is an excellent school, in fact I will go as far as to say it is one of the best in Michigan. They have online classes, they are affordable and you will get a high quality education. Scorned students need to not try to discourage others from attending because it is definitely a very good school. I graduated from Baker, and before going I went to Ferris and Oakland, believe it or not Baker has MORE to offer and they are much more affordable.
Charger77 on 2009-12-13:
You've got to be kidding me. You (for whatever reason) missed classes and did not schedule properly and its the college's fault? So much for personal responsibility.
BakerIsAJoke on 2012-07-30:
I had a hard time with Baker too. Their career services is a joke. They took months to find me an externship and then messed up my financial aid. Go to Ross instead. The stated "available graduates" that are employed include only those that fill out their alumni reports. Many fed up graduates don't bother. Beware.
Baker Sucks on 2013-08-20:
Baker College is by far the worst school I've ever attended. Finical aid, Career Services, Academic offices employes are all a joke! They know nothing!!! Baker does not help you get ahead, they trap you so they can make more money off of you. DO NOT GO TO BAKER!
Kim on 2014-01-18:
I would not recommend Baker online to anyone!! A complete scam. Their textbooks are all "baker edition" and the professors are so out of touch. I had a professor ignore the class for a week and then later said she had a "cold". I don't miss online classes and not do work because of a freaking cold. Don't waste your money. Most unprofessional school ever!
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Horrible Experience, Complete Nightmare and Waste of Time!
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CLINTON TOWNSHIP/ALLEN PARK, MICHIGAN -- After 3 years of getting poor advice from academic advisors, financial aid and instructors alike, I felt dejected and so ripped off! Not only money, but time as well. I am an older student going back to school, but after last semester I am no longer willing to affiliate with Baker College. I have transferred to another school and I hope to apply for 3 different programs this coming February.

Waste of time and money. Baker is horribly run with some of the worst instructors (I cannot believe some of them are seen fit to teach grade school level much less college level). I had a few good ones, but mainly inadequate and obviously not qualified. Academic advisors telling you to drop a class "immediately, like today or by noon tomorrow" and then having an instructor give out 50+ points in the 10th week, basically handing people entry into a particular program. Being lied to outright by the acting Dean of Health Sciences because the original Dean left last minute. It was a terrible experience and would not suggest anyone waste 1 minute going to Baker.

Add to it, they keep anything you don't use in financial aid and it supposedly "goes back into the pool to help other students." After 3 years of looking, I could not find any "other students." Save time, energy and money and go to OCC, WCCC, or MCCC. You'd be better off in the long run.
     
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Ray on 2013-11-04:
I agree with you, I worked for Baker College Clinton Twp. for years, they don't care about the students, or there employees, terrible college to work and also get educated.
Eric on 2013-11-11:
My wife's experience was very traumatic. They are 90% business and 10% education. If not for give away student grants and loans, they would fail. DO NOT ENTER THE NURSING PROGRAM. You very likely will waste time and money. They have a very high failure/ dropout rate- not due to bad students but because of bad administrators. Since grading is mostly subjective, it is up to their whims as to how you do. My wife should have passed, but failed by less than 1% because the director of nursing over ruled her instructor. My wife had a verbal job offer at Beaumont (they thought she was phenomenal), but Baker felt she did not fit their image. She fit their image when they wanted her grants and federal student loan money. After them receiving over $40,000 what we got was worth nothing. DO NOT INVEST YOUR TIME, YOUR MONEY, YOUR EFFORT there.
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Baker College is a JOKE!
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FLINT, MICHIGAN -- I took 38 credits in Baker's online BBA program. Tried to transfer the credits to Baker's brick and mortar campus in the BBA program. They would transfer one class! How bad is a program when the "parent" college won't take the credits?!

If Baker won't take the credits, WHO WILL? I know you of Michigan won't because I tried. Going to Baker is tossing your time and money into the wind.
     
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momsey on 2011-02-23:
Are Baker College Online and Baker College affiliated? I'm googling both and it doesn't seem like they are.
Anonymous on 2011-02-23:
They share the same domain name.

Baker College -- www.baker.edu/
Baker College Online -- www.baker.edu/bakeronline

I'd say they are affiliated in some fashion.
Alain on 2011-02-24:
Some colleges like Baker may be accredited, but in the real world their degrees are not always worth a lot and frequently the credits won't transfer to other institutions.
PepperElf on 2011-02-24:
I'd recommend ... if you want to do online classes, find a brick & mortar college first and *then* apply in person for online classes.

That way you don't fall victim to scams like that
momsey on 2011-02-24:
But I saw a bakercollegeonline.com website too. It seems odd that a "college" has a .com rather than a .edu web address.

Pepper has it right. Most brick and mortar colleges have online options. Go that route.
Anonymous on 2011-02-24:
Interesting momsey. Did you notice bakecollegeonline.com has a link to www.baker.edu on their home page and both the .com and .edu sites use the same logo. If they are not affiliated then somebody is being awfully deceptive about it.
PepperElf on 2011-02-24:
No, they're associated. Baker.edu lists bakercollegeonline on the catalog

Both sites also list the exact same accreditation information: accredited by The Higher Learning Commission of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools. and is a member of the North Central Association.


You might want to contact http://www.ncahlc.org/ to ask them for assistance in investigating why Baker won't accept their own credits.



The only plausible reason I can personally come up with is that ... your specific degree may require a different version of the course than the online version, or may require hands-on learning. However they should at least explain WHY to you other than just saying "No. Tough luck."
Anonymous on 2011-02-24:
Awesome research PepperElf. You're starting to remind me of me everyday.
PepperElf on 2011-02-24:
you mean I'm slipping?

JK *grin*


but seriously I do agree with the OP. that sounds strange and warrants an explanation.
Former on 2012-08-11:
Run the other way
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OK experience....
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I attended Baker College Online for three years and I obtained my Bachelors Degree last Spring. Although I had a pretty good experience looking back on it I would have gone to a traditional college or university had I put more thought into it. The good thing about Baker is their curriculum can be compared to that of a top 10 University or College, I know this because I work at one. I didn't attend school there because they don't offer online degrees. All of the professors that I had @ Baker held at least a Master's degree; most of them had a PhD. I had a few bad instructors, one did not interact with the class at all and the other two were just messy. That is a vague word, but it is the only one I can think of to describe them right now.

I do feel like the quality of the education I received at Baker was excellent; however, Baker is not flexible and this is what many adults are looking for in an online setting. The participation requirements become unreasonable especially when you have a professor that wants detailed responses (150-200 words minimum) at least two times a day, 5 days a week; Since participation often makes up 30-40% of your overall grade, you can receive really bad scores because of this. THAT IS A MAJOR DOWNSIDE TO BAKER COLLEGE. In addition to this, some of the professors expect you to submit homework assignments 4-5 times a week and this is extreme for an online school. The other downside to Baker is the cost. They boast about how their classes are cheaper than most institutions, and they are BUT you have to have more credit hours to graduate so it ends up being a little bit less or about the same in cost. It will also take you much longer to graduate unless you are constantly going to school all year with no breaks because they operate in quarter hours.

I had an OK experience @ Baker and as stated before I learned a lot. I already have a job making twice the amount that I earned before I graduated; however, I would not recommend the school to working adults with families at all.
     
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Obsfucation on 2010-10-06:
"I would have gone to a traditional college or university "

This pretty much sums up the reasons that we don't even consider online degrees when we are conducting job searches.
Anonymous on 2010-10-06:
Good review. You summed up the pros and cons of your online educational experience very well.
Traveling Terry on 2011-02-23:
If you finished your degree there you will be okay. But others should beware - NO ONE including BAKER will accept Baker Online credits (they were willing to transfer one class out of 38 credits).
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Employment Help
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FLINT, MICHIGAN -- Graduated Summa cum Laude (business admin.) and that was 2 years ago. They do not help grads find jobs anymore than other colleges do. Their marketing is a farce!
     
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redmx3racer on 2011-03-26:
If you believe everything you see/read, Flint, MI seems like it would be tough for anyone looking for a job right now, which is where the OP lists his location.
Ytropious on 2011-03-26:
Most of the time they have a disclaimer that says "employment not guaranteed". They can only help you so much, it's up to the companies to hire you.
trmn8r on 2011-03-26:
Baker is what is known as a "career college," isn't it? My guess is that kind of institution maintains a list of current job openings, makes them available to graduates, and has an occasional job fair. Beyond that, it may be the same as anywhere else - send your resumes and hope for the best. Good luck to you.
Skye on 2011-03-26:
Unfortunetly, they cannot guarantee you will find employment, they only guarantee they will assist you in your job search.

It's tough out there for maney people right now, not just you. Looking for work is just as hard as working.

Good luck.
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Baker College gives misleading statements about their "98% employed"
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MICHIGAN -- A prior review mentioned they felt Baker's claim of 98% of their graduates are employed. I went to Baker College in Cadillac for over two years about five years ago. At the end of my certificate program I took a required course called "Career Strategies". During this course a fellow student mentioned this claim to the speaker(Jackie Soltzman)and her response amounted to: the 98% doesn't necessarily mean in your field of study!!
I went to Baker thinking I would be working in Medical Billing when I became certified. The ad's are so convincing....but what a crock! If you are employed when you start at Baker your already in that 98% and one of their great success stories. Its a wonder they haven't been sued for false advertising.
     
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Anonymous on 2010-08-22:
well like the woman said. They're employed, but not necessarily in the field of study. They really didn't lie, you just assumed what they hope you would have assumed in an attempt to get more students to apply. If you study, get good grades, and graduate in the medical field, I'm sure you will have no problem finding a position you want and will enjoy. Good luck!
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Baker College AAS Medical Degrees - Limited Enrollment Caution
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When considering pursuing admission into a "Limited Enrollment/Restricted Enrollment" medical program at Baker College, make sure you fully understand the criteria for gaining admittance. Ask questions up front. Don't make assumptions. Make sure you meet with the Dean or Program Director to determine how well you need to do on the prerequisites, expected performance on the entrance exam, impact of transferring in classes from another university and the impact of repeating any prerequisite courses. If entrance is based on a total point count, inquire what the range was for the highest and lowest student admitted to the prior year program start up. That way, you'll know what you have to target in the way of your performance. Do not strictly accept an answer that admission is based on competitive standing amongst the applicants. Dig for feedback. The economy has pushed many people back to school. Competition is strong amongst peers. You may be surprised how well you need to perform in order to get in to the program of your choice.

Best of luck to you!
     
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Alain on 2010-08-05:
Is Baker like Strayer University in that some degrees, courses, and programs are not acceptable/recognized by employers and other colleges?
exoem on 2010-08-05:
I don't know the answer to your question.
tzobel2009 on 2013-07-27:
I agree to making sure you fully understand the criteria of applying to a limited enrollment program at Baker
jb007 on 2013-08-31:
They succer you into enrolling, make u pay lots of money, then tell you your B- is not good enough, when they told you that its what you need to be accepted into the limited enrollment programs. What a scam, and what a waste.

they must tell you upfront that the b won't cut it.

also, I was told my one of their advisors that oh we admit people with b's all the time, only to be told tht that they took people with all A's. they must only take enough students as they are willing to enroll into the programs,

look at their stats, you will see things like, 75 applied 20 accepted, 48 applied, 20 accepted. Ridiculous business ethic at baker. ridiculous!
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Financial office
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OWOSSO, MICHIGAN -- My daughter had to drop a class that she had attended two times. She called the financial dept and was told exactly what to do. She did not receive any financial aid or money from student loan since she also notified them. Baker College has since told my daughter that she owes for the classes that she could only attend two times. We have contacted them several times to know avail. We have also gone through the corporate office. Her school in Owosso, MI was very upset with this. I do not believe this is right to pay for something that she signed papers on that she had to drop and did not receive any financial money for. We will not use Baker College again.
     
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nicki2009 on 2009-10-29:
Here is my review of Baker,
Well I am a student who already holds a Bachelors Degree in Engineering and went back to school via Baker for a Bachelors in Web Development because I wanted to learn, now that is where the irony comes in. I didn't need this degree, because an Engineering Degree qualifies me for jobs in this area as long as I can show a portfolio. The first thing that surprised me is that all there is to Baker College is that you read textbooks, homework is from the same text book and that's it. First, to succeed online you have to be motivated and dedicated, so if you have that motivation why cannot you learn on your own? What I find is that during the six weeks, you are too busy completing homework that you may not learn much. I can see how other programs may work out but in Technology classes its not easy to grasp the full concept if you have to keep worrying about turning homework in, answering discussion questions, participation etc. So, that's where the joke is on me, I enrolled to learn but spend less time learning and more time just getting homework in. Many of the teachers they have are not proficient in the classes they instruct and this comes out in the way they respond to class questions. As a result many of them are not active in the participation and depend on the students to teach each other and answer other students questions, and ironically these are the instructors that grade the hardest and have no grace period with assignments. its like they are trying to make up for their lack of credentials by being overly difficult in grading. Also the textbooks that Baker College uses are out to date and that's a no-no with programming classes. They have you buy current software and then have you buy a textbook for the outdated version of the software and now you have a mismatched book, and still no sympathy from the instructor. Now, why do I need to attend Baker College when I can buy a more up to date and current text book, one that has a good market feedback and join one of those free programming communities. Now, I can focus on learning and stop killing myself to meet Baker College ridiculous schedule. After all you have to teach yourself at Baker College and many instructors are not conscientious of that. Instead they tell you that if you cannot learn that way then taking classes online is not for you. I mean come on!! My advice to you, if you don't need a degree don't attend Baker College. The forced assignments will not make you learn as that is what I thought. If you are thinking about Web Development you only need a good portfolio anyway which Baker College will not make you get. You should have seen the crappy website that I made after one class that they wanted me to add to my portfolio, what a joke. You ca do better than Baker, expect little help and expect that 50% of the instructors are probably less knowledgeable than YOU in the subject that they instruct. Free online communities, here I come!

OH, FYI, I have a straight 4.0 so my concerns are honest and has nothing to do with my inability to excel at baker!
Charger77 on 2009-12-13:
#1 The original poster is upset that she attended classes for two weeks and had to pay for it? College classes are a service. Of course your had to pay for it.

#2 Nicki2009, Maybe you are not cut out for on-line classes. Baker College has a 98% employment rate, clearly they are doing something right, I am sure their 44,000 students would agree.
PepperElf on 2009-12-13:
better yet... why did she register in the first place?

it's not as if go for a walk, trip over, and land in a college class.
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