OAKVILLE, CALIFORNIA -- 75% of installed product from Lumber Liquidators is Defective! July 31, 2014 we bought hardwood flooring from Lumber Liquidators in Mississauga (Ontario, Canada) the brand is (Golden Teak Acacia Hardwood 3/4"), Order # **, with 30-year warranty. We based our decision to purchase the hardwood on certain samples at retail store showroom, which we examined before committing ourselves to the purchase.
After acclimated the product at our house for more than 5 months and used a moisture barrier, which they are selling to keep our warranty valid we also followed all manufacturer regulations and recommendations. Unfortunately, during installation and reached of 85% of the process, we noticed there were some defecates mostly at the ends of the boards, which is more than the expected 5% range that our invoice mentioned when we bout the flooring.
Jan 2015 we informed LL about the flooring issue and filled disclosure forms, the store manager came out to the site to view the floor and he requested to get everything on hold, acknowledged there was a defect (in this patch) of product, and the arrangements were made to ship samples and box of unopened material to the head office in Virginia, USA for inspection.
LL's acts of fraudulent concealment, using improper warranty tactics and commissioning sham inspection from INSPECT SOLUTIONS to our flooring in response to complaints in order to "mislead consumers into believing that the defect could be traced to shoddy installation," and to exonerate Lumber Liquidators from any responsibility.
LL markets and warrants that the Product is durable and further markets and warrants that the Product has a thirty (30) year warranty. LL provided a reasonable expectation to consumers and the industry that the Product would have a usable lifetime of at least thirty (30) years. The Product's various modes of failure potentially cause damage to other building components and render the Product susceptible to premature failure.
LL did not honor its warranty and denial our claim. It's amazing to us that a company is so adamant about taking no responsibility for such a poor product (75% defect) which is marketed to be "durable" with 30 years warranty, but it seems there is no quality control had been done at all for this product before wrapping and delivery. We had to hire 3rd party independent inspector licensed by National Wood and Flooring Association (NWFA), he mentioned the mill actually attempted to fuse cracks with glue and then fill them with putty, the manufacturer did this intentionally. His conclusion is (Manufacturing Defects).
LL has been notified of its breach of written warranties and has failed to adequately cure those breaches. As a direct and proximate result of Defendant's breaches of its written warranties, engaged in unlawful business practices in that Defendant represented, through its advertising, warranties and other express representations that the Product had characteristics it did not actually have. We are requiring LL to compensation for financial losses associated with the purchase of the flooring. These losses include:
• Installation costs
• Removal costs
• Loss of use
• Diminished property value
• Remediation costs
BEWARE of this company!!! We bought floors last May and installed them per the instructions. We bought everything we needed to make sure that we would not get moisture damages on the floor, spent a fortune! After about a month we started noticing moisture damage - nowhere near our kitchen or bathroom - as well as "chipping" all over our floors. We tried to file a claim and the person we were working with, "Sarah" - never emailed us back. My husband deployed and I was the only one at home but I worked 95% of the week, and even with no one home our floors got even worse!
Again, filed a claim and sent in all of the pictures. A "Sherese" never emailed or called us back after hounding her for weeks. We got a call from a "Reginald" who is originally from our area and was going to help us with our case. I send him the pictures of our floor on Saturday and Sunday, and Tuesday we get a letter denying our claim saying "other extreme conditions", basically saying that the moisture came from the sub-floor. After I explained that we had installed the cover that goes in-between, he said it might have been the dogs. After I said that our dogs were kept in crates during the day, he said that it might have been the sand the dogs brought in.
I told him my parents live in FL and they have a dog and have had their floor 14+ years and never a problem. He said "Well the moisture from the flooring can still get through the cover." I understand the moisture damage but I don't see how the chipping could have been done by this. Spend a little extra and go somewhere reputable since this company are a bunch of criminals anyway using illegally sourced wood.
BREWER, MAINE -- We recently purchased an old farm in Orland. The renovation of the kitchen involved stripping out everything to the studs, all 4 walls, ceiling and floor. We purchased bamboo flooring from the Brewer store - Morning Star Bamboo, MS Forbidden City Bam 7/16 x 3 3/4. Local store support was questionable in that directions for installation were wrong and what should have taken a couple of days took a week and a half. In fact, the product was so difficult to install we took back all we had purchased to do the dining room and got our money back.
We are now less than a year from install and the finish on the product is literally wearing off. It scratches at the drop of a hat and the commercials noting its toughness certainly cannot be proved by us. We have contacted the warranty folks at Lumber Liquidators who assured me that 48 hours after filling out their paperwork I'd be contacted. That was 456 hours ago and 4 follow-up emails later, we still have not heard from Lumber Liquidators.
Buyer beware. The product did not live up to company claims and they do not get back to you. Not only do I need to replace the floor but all the finish work, cabinets and appliances were installed after laying this floor. Again, buyer beware.
FORT MYERS, FLORIDA -- In February of 2015, I completed the installation of LVT Underlay and vinyl planks. In June of 2015 I removed a few and found mold growing on the underlay in 5 months. The underlay is warranted to be mold resistant. It was installed throughout my home and the area I removed was in the middle of front room with no exposure to moisture.
I have made several attempts to remedy this at the corporate and local retail store. After submitting a four-page claim with pictures and many calls I was denied because they said I removed the material. I only removed a small portion of the material which was communicated and pictured to their representatives. After several more phone calls I spoke to a manager who said I was denied since they couldn't verify the moisture level in my home. No one ever came to the house or returned calls.
I have not had time to remove and re-install the vinyl planks and underlay. I need to purchase more planks because some will be damaged and I'm not sure what to do because according to reviews they will not accept boxes if opened and ALL of the previous boxes fell open from just transporting them.
I need to sell my house for financial and health reasons and now with a moldy floor I am going to lose more than if I didn't have any floor. I am more concerned from the people who have this problem and don't know it as mold can be deadly if not found in time.
WEST ALLIS, WISCONSIN -- A few things you should know before purchasing a flooring. All floors require acclimation. What this means is you need to have the boxes sit in your room that you are going to install the floor. It cannot be a garage or basement as it will acclimate to that room and not where it's going to be installed. Laminate, Vinyl, and Hard Wood (Solids & Engineered) take 3 to 5 days to accomplish this and Bamboo takes 2-3 weeks.
If you were to install as soon as you got the flooring, then in the summer it will buckle and bow as it will expand due to the natural moisture in the air and leaves gaps in the winter since the flooring will contract due to the cold atmosphere. Failure to do this is your fault, do not blame the company for that.
You really do get what you pay for. Expecting something like a 6mm laminate or odd lot flooring to be pristine is asking a lot for its value. Therefore, you should generally go with Bamboo, as its price to hardness ratio is very hard to top at other competitors stores.
The warranty covers the finish. Exchanges are anytime, returns are 30 days from the day of pick up (60 for bamboo). If you feel there is something wrong with the floor, DO NOT INSTALL IT. This again places unnecessary risk to you. You must get an underlayment of any sort, whether that be their Bellawood platinum or normal tarp paper for your warranty to be valid.
If you have kids, dogs and the like, do not get anything lower than American Hickory for hardness. The two factors here will tear things up like Birch, American Walnut, American Cherry, Pine, Horizontal Bamboo - Carbonized, and Red Maple. If you have a lot of moisture in your home, or placing in a basement, then you don't want things like Beech, White Oak, Birdseye Maple, Hard Maple, and Birch.
When purchasing, make sure they are from all the same lot. There is a three letter code, such as HAU, CBD and so on. Otherwise there will be issues in getting them to match up with each other. 15G for domestic woods, 18G for exotics and bamboo. 8in between each tongue in groove for installs.
Wood darkens with sunlight. It's due to the process of photosynthesis. Laminates, Vinyl and Bamboo do not darken with sunlight. However, bamboo does have the unique characteristic of being different shades due to how long it's baked in manufacturing. Thus it's best to check the box before taking it home.
Engineered has the same durability as solids, but cannot be sanded as much. In fact, only once, or maybe twice. They also do not expand or contract as much as solids. If smudges are a concern, go with a duller looking floor. Shiny ones show handprints easier and light floors show dirt much more.
Hand scraped cover dents and scratches far more than a flat surface. If you wanted to sand them though, you would lose some of the look. I am available for questions, whether it be this site or e-mail. All in all, the company is pretty legit, at least from the West Allis, WI location. The employees provided me with all of this information upon request. Cheers.
PHOENIX, ARIZONA -- I am a professional licensed contractor out here in Arizona. I had a client I installed 1700 sq feet of "Remington Oak" Schon engineered wood flooring for. The project included upstairs, downstairs, and the staircase. All the leading edges of each stair tread received a stair nosing. Well after a year and a half, I returned to my client's residence to give an estimate for some cabinetry. My client points out "6" stair nosings with hairline cracks going with the grain.
All have these cracks in same location, on the back section of the nosing. These were installed with polyurethane construction adhesive, and one finish nail on the left and right side of the "Leading edge" (meaty part of the material) no fasteners anywhere near crack locations. 6 months or so prior to this discovery, we had one with a much more noticeable crack in same location. I replaced the nosing under "My" warranty and paid Lumber Liquidators full price for the unit. This was the last one they had (they were discontinuing Remington Oak).
I called their "Customer care line" and filled out the claim form and was assigned to **. Well, I sent the letter via certified mail, and got confirmation of delivery. No response for a couple weeks. I had to call back, complain, then magically received an email. I got excuses like, the weather, busy, etc. Then miss ** states she never received the form. I provided name of individual who signed and photo of signature. I was avoided repeatedly, like many other people on here.
Case in point, they don't stand behind their product. The stair nosings are meant to be on the stairs, and should perform in a reasonable manner. My clients are middle aged folks with a cat, and are very neat people. I feel the product is sub par, something in the milling process, drying process, is to blame. Very weak along the grain. Don't sell something if it doesn't stand up to its purpose! The customer "care" and I use that term loosely, is a bunch of mediocre wage kids, who have a check list of questions and excuses in front of them. I think Lumber liquidators got greedy, blew up too fast, and won't last much longer.
SAN LUIS OBISPO, CALIFORNIA -- Flooring is not stable, grew about 1-1/2" inches after installation, even though it acclimated for over a week. The Lumber liquidators recommended contractors that we used had to come back 3 times and cut it to fit and also put a relief in the drywall so it could expand more. Continues to shrink and grow by about an 1" over 20 ft -- can't even install baseboards, when it grows it causes floor to buckle upwards, so we've had to remove boards to allow doors to open and close. Tried to get a refund so we could put different flooring in the house. Lumber liquidators said that because we lived within 1/2 mile of a lake that they weren't responsible.
After we asked for an explanation of how that invalidated the warranty they said the problem was because we had a crawl space. We told them moisture barriers were installed by their recommended installer and even so, that still didn't explain why the second story had the same problem. Then they sent an "independent" guy out and stated that his report said moisture levels were normal so it's not their problem... they won't show us the report and will not give us a refund.
To me normal moisture levels and floor that grows shrinks by an inch means the flooring is defective. We are going to have to go to court. This is a shady company and they ignore the truth and all the facts to try to get you to believe that their product is fine. I'm a licensed contractor myself who should have known better, but thought that with a 2 year old who's going to tear up these floors anyway, that we should save $3k and buy a product that we wouldn't be too upset with if it got damaged.
We ended up about $10k invested for flooring that is worthless and a house that looks like a construction site while waiting months upon months for Lumber Liquidators to make the situation right, which they still haven't done. I'm guessing they buy this flooring for about 20 cents a square foot and sell it for $3; it's disgusting to see that they won't offer their stated warranty.
DO NOT BUY FROM THEM AND TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS!!! All the reviews here could be my review. They will find any excuse not to pay. Crooked company. There is no doubt that the wood is bad -- they found a way not to pay. I special ordered some oak flooring and it took a month. It arrived and about halfway through the first box the wood was warped, all different widths and thickness and some were even chewed up. I told my contractor to do the best he could thinking I would deal with a refund later.
Well after 2 months of ignored email, and not returned voice mail calls, they sent me a copy of the instructions which in few small print says that if any wood is installed that is defective they will not pay for anything. Be very aware of these shysters. My contractor had told me that they will find some reason not to pay and he was right. Big companies don't give a **. I really want 0 stars.
This was my delusional review when I started the process: I have been waiting a year to have a hardwood floor. I finally ordered the wood and it took 2 months acclimated in air conditioning and 40% humidity until my very qualified installer put it in. He struggled with it because the wood was broken, the widths were different sizes, almost all the pieces were warped so they had to be nailed from the top, and even one end was a different size than the other end. I have missed work just to have this ** put in. I am hoping that Lumber Liquidators will refund all my money and reinstall it and in the meantime I will have to deal with an ugly floor.
HARTFORD -- Let me get it out of the way and say you get what you pay for. I'm a Connecticut Resident and have experience in wood finishing. The Bell Hickory Hardwood boards were installed earlier this year. About 2 months ago, the hardwood floors, which are refinished Bellawood Handscraped Hickory, started to crack in multiple areas. Before I purchased from LL (Lumber Liquidators), the company assured me the "chemical finish process" these solid wood boards go through make the wood much more durable than that which is not refinished. Needless to say, I filed a complaint with LL about 7 weeks back and asked them to fix the cracking boards.
As I have experience working with wood finishes, I understand the physics of polyurethane, moisture content, and the effects of relative humidity on woods of varying species. After 7 weeks and 2 inspectors sent from LL, an email came through stating they find my use of water and soap to clean the floors is against policy. If LL actually cared about their product and the consumer, they would know polyurethane does not allow water to penetrate into the substrate, in this case, wood. Water VAPOR does.
The 1st inspector they sent out, yeah, he said it's definitely a manufacturer defect. So LL called a 2nd company to send another inspector who said, "Oh, you use water to clean?" What do they want you to clean anything other than sand off with?!?! They sent me an email today telling me they cannot cover their own defective product and wanted me to sign a contract within 5 days of receiving it which will give me $500 store credit. In exchange, I cannot say anything to anyone about this and the matter would have to be confidential so that the company saves face. $500? Really? I'll never buy anything from them ever again.
My wife and I went to Lumber Liquidators in Norwalk Ct to buy Bamboo flooring for a Salon, the salesman, who was a very nice man, told us we didn't want Bamboo, we would be much better off with vinyl for what we were using it for, we still wanted Bamboo. My wife went back again a couple of weeks later to order, another salesman, pushing the vinyl also. They decided to give my wife the number for a installer so he could come out and look. Again, another really nice man. He tells my wife, she doesn't want Bamboo, I quote, "I've done many Salons, you definitely want vinyl". She finally agrees to take their advice.
They show up just like they agreed, the guys were great and the job was complete in a day. Here comes the trouble. Right away the floor starts getting scratched, within a week it's not good at all. We call the installer who does come out to look, he tells her he's never seen anything like that and the material must be defective, he says to put in a claim with LL. Well, they send someone out to look, a couple of weeks or so she gets an email more or less saying that it's not their fault, that people shouldn't be wearing certain shoes on the floor, also they shouldn't be using carts either. The carts have hardly any weight them at all.
In other words, they don't want to know anything!! And this flooring was totally what they told her she needed for a salon. I feel really bad for her, she finally saved up enough money to get new floors and now this. Now, maybe two months later they look terrible for new flooring. Oh, and one of the planks are lifting already. We put cheap flooring down in the break room and dressing room from Home D. It's been down for over a year or two. Not a scratch!!! Thumbs down to Lumber Liquidators!!
Now she's going to have to pay an attorney to get somewhere with them. We should have gone to a local reputable company that would have taken care of the problem. You think you're saving money but that's not always the case!! Thank you so much for listening everyone!!!