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Kia Rio Timing Belt Issue?
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I bought a 2005 Kia Rio Brand New, Had a few problems with the wheel bearings @ around 58000 miles on my way back to the Gulfcoast from Cincinnati which Kia did fix at no charge, the dealer in Meridian MS that fixed the bearings offered to do a routine inspection before I drove 3 hours to pick up the car at no charge to see if there was any reccomened services I needed, not wanting to break down again I happily agreed (plus it was free). The dealership called me and said the car needed no addiontional service at that time. Then at rouhly 60,136 miles the timing belt broke, I had it towed to Kia in Gulfport Mississippi confident that my impressive warranty would cover this issue, to my dismay they refused to replace the damaged motor under the warranty and instead wanted me to pay $3500, I fought, called Kia and begged, I was given no reason why they would not honor the warranty and I still had 5 payments to finish on a car that was junk!!!
     
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Anonymous on 12/29/2009:
When does your owner's manual say that this belt needs to be replaced?
saj80 on 12/29/2009:
If I'm not mistaken, I believe Kia recommends timing belt replacements every 60,000 miles. As Ken asked, what does the manual say?
Critical_level2 on 12/29/2009:
Most vehicles that use timing belts say to replace them around 60K. I would check your owners manual to see.
Starlord on 12/29/2009:
Our department's Civil Division had several Ford Escorts that County Purchasing gave us and said we would drive them. Every one had the timing belt fail at around 60,000 miles. Fortunately, we had our own shop that worked on the vehicles. We found that for $300 LESS per vehicle, we could have had better cars, in the Ford Granada.
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2005 Kia Rio & Timing Belt - Dead Engine
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Loved the car until it died. They engine is blown because my timing belt broke teeth. This caused the engine to be damaged. Still owe $5,000 dollars on this car and I am unable to fix this vehicle. Belt died at 79,000.. so when they say to change your timing belt at 60,000 .. you better.. It has an interference engine. When the belt goes.. so does your engine.

New engine is $2,000 dollars .. replacement.
To rebuild over $1500.00 easy.

Now I'm in the hole $5,000 and have a very expensive paper weight in my front yard. Will never buy another Kia ever again since this seems to be a very common issue and they parts are way to expensive to repair.
     
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Anonymous on 11/30/2009:
If you knew the belt needed to be replaced almost 20,000 miles earlier, and you didn't... ??
dan gordon on 11/30/2009:
Volvos and some other high end cars have interference engines as well. Timing belts are a maintenance items. Cause you didn't want to spend the $$ Kia must be a terrible mfctr? What's wrong with this logic? I guess you may ride a bike or take the bus. That would really show those sob's.
Desert_Mutt on 12/01/2009:
You guys sure are touchy. Any car that has an engine that can blow up because a rubber belt loses some teeth, is not well built in my book. There are many documented cases of the timing belts breaking before 60k. [snip - please be respectful]
goduke on 12/01/2009:
I would have thought that the local mechanic who does your routine maintenance checks at 15K intervals should have noticed it. Have you talked to them about why they missed it?
redmx3racer on 12/01/2009:
Desert, interference engines have been around for a long time and are made by many automakers both low end and high end. If you did not get the work done as per Kia's recomendation, it is your fault the car died. Have some broken before 60K? Probabaly. That would be a defect. But your car had what, 79K on it? That is not a defect, that is irresponsible ownership. I have 0 sympathy for you.
JR in Orlando on 12/01/2009:
Mr. Mutt: The engine does not blow up. The crankshaft/pistons are rotating with the timing belt running from the crankshaft to the overhead cams/valves. The pistons and the valves have to be synchronized so that when the piston comes up, the valves are closed so the piston does not hit them. In a non-interference engine there is enough room in the cylinder so that even if they get out of sequence, there is no collision. In an "interference engine" there is not enough room, so that if the piston comes up and the valves have not closed, the valves will be hit by the piston and damaged. The engine does not blow up, the broken belt simply allows these parts to get out of sequence. In light of the significant damage that occurs when this happen, it is foolish not to replace the belt within the 60,000 mile limit.

Years ago I had an overhead cam engine that I disconnected the timing chain between cam and crankshaft to repair. I tried to remove the end cap on the camshaft with a wrench, and I can still hear the "pinging" that occurred as the wrench turned the cam and valves opened, hitting the piston tops. "ping" An expensive lesson.
Slimjim on 12/01/2009:
You have to give Detroit cars some credit here. Timing CHAIN failures are far less frequent on American designs and most are non interference engines anyway if they do.
TINA,MN on 07/15/2011:
I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL MY TIMMING BELT DIDN'T BREAK BUT IT SKIPPED AND TEETH WERE CHEWED UP NOT QIUTE SURE IF ENGINE SHOT YET BUT KIA IS THE WORST CAR EVER I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER NOT JUST CAUSE OF THIS BUT EVERYTHING ELSE FROM RUSTING AT 3 YEARS OLD AND PAINT CHIPPING TO AIR GOING OUT TO NOW THE BELT AND IT ONLY HAS 90,000 MILES SO BEWARE WHEN YOU BUY A KIA YOU ARE BUYING A LEMON
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Timing Belt
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OLYMPIA, WASHINGTON -- Hello All,

I think I'm ready to give up before I get started. I have a two year old Kia that last Tuesday blew the engine. Had it towed to the nearest Kia dealership (30 minutes away) Only to be told that the timing belt broke and blew the engine it has 65,000 miles on it. I have diligently taken care of this car, oil changes every 3000 miles etc. Replaced all the tires, almost from the minute we drove it off the lot the tires would randomly go flat. Any hoot, the local dealership told me the timing belt was broke and not under warranty. BS. Instead of paying another 6 grand for a piece of crap, I bought a Toyota on Friday. So today we rent a car trailer head the dealer to pick up the car. They left our car in pieces, we opened the hood and low and behold the timing belt is not broken it's missing some teeth.

Now I'm scratching my head but my hubby is thinking we've been screwed by Kia yet again. The tech tells us the teeth rubbed off when the belt froze. Well in order for the belt to freeze doesn't something have to break first. We are getting an attorney and fighting Kia. For the techs out there that work for Kia and your response to people having issues with them is it's neglect and abuse, I say BS To you too, Kia is a horrible company that makes a killing off of people that can't afford to purchase a higher end vehicle way to Screw the little guy.

We get to make payments on cars that are useless.. Apparently so is the company Kia..
     
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Anonymous on 11/10/2007:
IF the belt wore down enough or got slack, it could jump a bit throwing your timing out of wack thus causing your engine to get out of timing and blow.
jktshff1 on 11/10/2007:
kia....killed in action...nuff said
Anonymous on 11/10/2007:
jktshff1, I can add no more.
moneybags on 11/10/2007:
Today, so many cars have engine parts and belts made of aluminum. The manufacturer and mechanics may not tell you (afterall, they want to make money on repairs and replacements) but ALL cars should have timing belts REPLACED between 50,000 and 60,000 miles. Your instruction book may even tell you that. A $250 repair (preventive maintenance) can save you thousands.
tjputvin on 11/11/2007:
Ahhhh but hindsight is 20/20. I took the car to the dealer and do you think they told me to have the timing belt changed??? nope.. I've decided that Kia is a disposable car. It would just be nice if they made them so people could at least get them paid off before they blew. I think they would make more money this way, people would be more willing to upgrade every few years instead of getting upset and bad mouthing them, enough complaints and Kia will not be selling anymore cars. I'm not sure about Kia's but I've heard for a bit more you can have the timing belt switched out for a chain. I've also learned my lesson on extended warranties also, not that it would have made a difference with Kia but I have one with my Toyota now. When purchasing a new car on Friday our Bank told us, we'll finance anything you want, just not a Kia. That says a lot. They told us that they are no longer financing Kia without extended warranties. Which, leads me to another thought, ask your bank about extended warranties, we learned that dealers pay 400.00 for them and charge anywhere from 1600 to 2500 but the bank has a better deal and with Kia's you might actually get your work covered, Not real sure how that works though, talk to your loan officer, that is if you use your bank instead of your dealer as we do.

tjputvin on 11/11/2007:
JD How too cheap to get it done, Had I knowns it needed done I would have done it. I'm so cheap that instead of fixing the pc of crap Kia I bought a new Toyota. CUSTOMER SERVICE is not Kia's thing, screwing the little guy is.. You get part of the story, and then you only read part of that. And throw this at me. READ READ READ, I maintained my Kia, They just make crap.
jktshff1 on 11/11/2007:
tip, did ya read the book that came with the car? It has a suggested maintenance schedule. More is required than oil changes and tires. It's that way with any car you buy.
tjputvin on 11/11/2007:
Read the manual, memorized it. Not, I did read through the manual, I also just assumed, and you know what that does, that Customer service would come with the car. I work and live and love the customer service business and if I did to my customers what Kia does, I would be out of business. It seems more productive to work on a solution. Moneybags and Piratewithparrot thanks for the non judgemental advice.
WhineX on 11/11/2007:
I've heard that Kia has made improvements in quality lately, but early Kia's are poorly engineered cars. As for the belt, there is a maintenance schedule with the owner's manual, and it's the owner's responsility to follow it. If the belt broke, it would cause the intake/exhaust valves to go out of sync and collide with the pistons. If the engine seized, that could shear teeth off the belt w/o breaking it. Either way, if the car is out of warranty, you're kind of outta luck.
Bellyupinmi on 07/24/2008:
I bought my Sedona new, It has received all scheduled oil and maint service all done at KIA dealerships. When I took it in for its 60,000 mile check up at 56,000 miles I was told the timing belt needed changed, KIA refused to cover the 120/100,000 mile warranty as they said the belt was worn because of normal wear and tear much like tires and brakes and they are not covered either
Catastrophic Damages on 11/14/2008:
I'm having the same problem. 2005 KIA RIO new off the lot three years ago. KIA quote "From the moment you get behind the wheel of your new KIA vehicle, you'll notice how satisfying it feels; a feeling you'll appreciate as long as you own your vehicle. Your complete satisfaction is our primary concern!"

KIA mechanics and non KIA mechanics alike as well as the KIA Motors Corporation are aware of this problem, this engine is the highest in demand right now because of the failure rate due to the belt problems.

Catastrophic Damages on 11/14/2008:
Forgot to add to my post...Oct 30th our belt jumped time, because of the "interference engine" design when the timing is off the crankshaft and camshaft are out of time which allows the pistons to strike the valves. My engine has bent or broken valves in all cylinders and we still don't know the full extent of the damage because the engine has to be disassembled and we havn't gotten there yet! Brilliant design flaw, costing consumers millions. Why rely so heavily on a disposable part?
Jim on 06/04/2011:
Boy that sounds familiar. We had the same exact thing happen at 62000 miles and guess what. OH WELL. That was from ROYAL KIA. Never have another Kia!!!!!!
Ann on 06/14/2011:
I was told by the Kia dealership in my town that I needed a new timing belt for my 2007 Kia Rio and they told me they would charge me $540 for this repair. Well, I looked in the owner's mnaual and there was no mention of a timing belt, only a drive belt. I looked online and found a kit with the belt and the tensioner pieces for about $76.00. The $500 must be for the rental car the dealer said they would give me while the work was being done! What a rip-off!
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I had no problems until....the warranty expired.
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MONTANTA -- Kia Rio RS 2001 4 door:
First car, was going for a used car but walked in and bought a new Rio. (tip: don't ever let a salesman in sweet alligator looking boots sell you a car) No problems for the first 3 years.

41 months down the road, I was driving, went to dads, stopped the card, took they keys out of the engine. After visiting, come back, put the keys in, expecting it to start. It didn't. IT chugged. Then no noise. I took it out, did it again and again there was noise then nothing. I waited. Couldn't start the car again. Called the boyfriend to come pick me up - he told me to call roadside assistance since it is 5-5-5 kia protection right?

WRONG!

Roadside assistance is only for 36 months or 60 000km whichever is first. THAT WAS 5 MONTHS AGO! So my car starts to have problems 5 months after warranty expires. I have to pay for my own towing. Call the boyfriend again. He comes and gets me. By now it's 40 minutes. Car starts up so it's not the battery. He drives the rio to the dealership 5 minutes down the road. Boyfriend says its not the engine. IT's the alternator.

Leave it at the dealership. Called them the next day: did you have a chance to look at my car? the rio rs 2001 white? Uhh....no, when did you leave it here was the response. I told them to go and find it cause I left it there. They look at it, call me back. IT's not your battery! phew! thank goodness. ITS YOUR ALTERNATOR! okay, how much is it going to cost? Is it not covered by the warranty? No, comprehensive warranty ran out at 36 months. You are joking me? no. Okay, now what to I have on warranty? Iternal stuff to the engine. so how much? $661.70 CDN.

So you are telling me I bought a new car to drive for 3 years then spend $661.70 to get a new alternator? IT's a new car for crying out loud, like hello? Alternators do not need to get replaced in 3 and a half years.

Okay, dealership will knock off price by $100.00. It can be done today. Uh, no. It can't. I have a problem with this and unfortunately I don't know how I'm going to deal with this, one thing is for sure, I am selling my Kia for whatever I can get and never ever buying one again.

I had absolutely no problems with kia until now, and boy, I used to love it, I came to hate it really fast.
     
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tander on 11/22/2004:
The only thing I've ever heard about with Kias is there junk and don't buy one.
I bought a Dodge Intrepid and Love it!!
sweetkristen on 11/23/2004:
So you're upset cause you had a problem with your car after the warranty ended? Are you 8 years old or something? Welcome to life as an adult. Actually 3 yrs/60000 miles on a warranty is pretty good. Most manufacturers only have 3 yrs/36000 miles.
That's life
bill on 11/24/2004:
How many miles are on the car? It doesn't matter whether the car is 1,3, or 10 years old, if you have 70,000+ miles you probably need a new alternator. However, $661.00 seems very high for an alternator. It should probably cost between $300 and $400.
bro_mansu on 12/24/2004:
After three years of Canadian weather, I think your car has done fine. Think of the wear and tear of starting that car everyday for over three years, some in double digit weather. If you were replacing an engine or a transmission, I could see your anger, but be thankful it's only an alternator.
navynova on 03/22/2006:
that's what you get for buying a cheap POS of a car
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In regard to Kia's timing belt problem
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In some cases when buying a used car, you are not fortunate enough to get a manual. We also have a Kia Sportage 2002 which does have a manual and it states replace timing belt every 96,000 miles. If timing belt failure causes so much damage that a new engine is required, I would think a special note should be included stating what will happen if not done.
     
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GenuineNerd on 11/13/2010:
When buying any used car, it is a good idea to have a mechanic inspect, as well as replace, the timing belt, especially if the vehicle has an interference engine (meaning thatg the engine will be damaged if the timing belt breaks.) Most Kia engines are of the interference type. When buying a used Kia, it is a good idea to have the timing belt replaced first thing, especially if you don't have the past service records on the vehicle. And Gates and Goodyear timing belts are of higher quality than the Kia OEM timing belts. And replace the belt every 50-60,000 miles, regardless of what the owner's manual says. On the Gates website: http://www.gates.com , there is a listing of vehicles that use timing belts, and whether they have interference or non-interference engines. Most 4 cylinder and some 6 cylinder engines use timing belts; probably the only 4-cylinders that use a timing chain instead of a belt are some GM 4 cylinders, used in Cavaliers, Sunfires, Cobalts, and Saturns. Most other fours use timing belts, and many are interference engines, especially Honda, Hyundai, and Kia engines
trmn8r on 11/13/2010:
96,000 miles is interesting. The Gates people says 60,000 miles for the 2002 Sportage, except California vehicles which is 105,000 miles.

The 60,000 figure the other reply mentions is common, but other intervals exist. For example, the 105,000, which is what one of my cars is.

None of my Volvos, all interference engines, have any warning in the owner's manual. This is one case where having a professional maintain your car would come in handy (to alert you).
trmn8r on 11/13/2010:
I'm confused. In your other complaint, you said your vehicle has 65,000 miles and the belt failed and ruined the engine. Now you say you have a manual, and it states the interval is 96,000 miles. That would mean the belt broke (very) prematurely. Is this what happened?
cactusgal on 11/13/2010:
I checked the manual again for the 2002 Sportage and it definitely says outside Calif.60,000km or 96,000 miles.I have since found out,on the KIa Rio Cinco it is 60,000 miles, too late I am afraid. I was at 64,000 miles.The Rio is the one I don't have the manual for. Hope that clears it up.
jktshff1 on 11/13/2010:
60,000 kilometers equals 37282 mi. and 477.9 yd
not 96,0000 miles
1 km = 0.621371 mi.
96000 mi. = 154497.024 km
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Kia
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With only 65,000 miles on my car the timing belt broke and ruined my engine. Kia says this is not unusual and I understand it happens all the time. why would they keep building cars like this and creating such a hardship on people. Don't they care? I would like any info on a class action suit against Kia re: this problem. cactusart2004@msn. com
Resolution Update 11/14/2010:
I can't say resolved as I never could get thru to Kia but resolved in my own mind and chalk it up to bad luck and move on.Never will buy another KIa though.
     
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Amarie4 on 11/12/2010:
Your KIA manual will state that the timing belt should be replaced at 60k - looks like they weren't kidding either!I admit it must be frusterating but its not like they are hiding this information from you. I think it would be hard to file a class-action lawsuit since KIA considers this part of the scheduled maintenance.
jktshff1 on 11/12/2010:
It's in the manual
"ALL MODELS
(Every 102,000 km)= 63379.861 mi.
Replace timing belt"
trmn8r on 11/12/2010:
Timing belt replacement intervals must be followed, as this complaint makes clear. On my old Volvos, it was 70K miles. The new one is 110K. I would never go past the limit, as people on Volvo message boards that do end up in your situation.

There is no way you will win a lawsuit - you didn't follow the recommended change interval.
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Timing belt problems on my 2004 Kia Rio
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These people at Kia are a-holes. the timing belt broke on are 2004 Kia rio at 74,000 miles. call dealer and was told that we hadn't change the belt at 60,000 miles as stated in the owners manual as a scheduled maintence item. It cost about $500-600 for this scheduled maintence. these Kia dealers are knowing selling a defective product. well are's timing belt broke. engine now junk, car now junk. I will never buy a Kia ever again. they (Kia dealers) are a bunch of A-holes.
     
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fja1981 on 10/21/2010:
I'm not following your logic. All cars need proper preventative maintenance. Your owner's manual stated that the timing belt needed to be replaced at 60,000 miles. You did not do that, and now your car is severely damaged. How does that make Kia guilty of defective products? (BTW, my Volvo needs a new timing belt every 70,000 miles, and I make sure that is done on time. I now have over 250,000 miles on that car).
getoverit on 10/21/2010:
I think most cars these days have a timing belt that requires replacement at 60,000 miles or so.
Slimjim on 10/21/2010:
Not as many as you think Get, but KIA's are one of them, made with belts that wear and demand to be changed as preventive maintenance. I'm pretty sure they are interference engines so if you don't, the bill to repair can be quite high.
I can't side with the poster that the dealer did anything wrong. After all, the user didn't follow the required maintenance protocol. I will agree 100% that they shouldn't by another Kia and that they are junk.
Hence, this review has helpful value and at least, will remind Kia owners they own a high maintenance car and not to ignore this belt change when it's suggested.
werelucky on 10/21/2010:
It's up to the car owner to follow scheduled maintenance. Kia did nothing wrong here.
trmn8r on 10/21/2010:
On an interference engine (yours is), servicing the timing belt is of paramount importance. You don't have to do the entire 60,000 mile service, but you must do the timing belt. Perhaps a $200-300 job, but much cheaper than a $5000 engine.

Timing belts have various service lengths. I have one car on which it is 70,000 mi, one is 110,000 mi. I have never heard of one failing prior to the quoted max. Yours failed 23% beyond its service life. KIA is not at fault.
Critical_level2 on 10/22/2010:
Hopefully the OP doesn't buy a Honda, Nissan, Toyota, etc., as they all require timing belt changes around 60K.
I agree with others that the OP is at fault for not following the proper maintenance at the intervals provided by the manufacturer.
MRM on 10/22/2010:
Critical, I did not know that. I thought you also had to change the timing belt on GMC, Dodge, Jeeps.
Slimjim on 10/22/2010:
I have three American cars. 1 Dodge and 2 GMs. Not one requires timing belt or chain preventive maintenance.
MRM on 10/22/2010:
Slim, thanks for the verification that you do not have to change on those brands.
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Not Told About Replacement Of Timing Chain @ 60,000 Miles
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SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS -- I had a 2005 4door Kia Rio which turned out to be more of a headache than anything else. After taking my car in for regular oil changes, filter changes, etc, I was NEVER INFORMED OF HAVING TO CHANGE THE TIMING CHAIN AT 60,000 miles resulting in the car STALLING IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUSY INTERSECTION with my months old Grandson in the back seat in the middle of Summer.

I WILL NEVER BUY A KIA AGAIN!!! It's not surprising as to why it sells so CHEAP!!!!
     
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Anonymous on 03/11/2010:
Was it in the contract?
ejack053824 on 03/11/2010:
Umm....read the owners manual in the maintenance section. It should be right there.
BEJ on 03/11/2010:
As the owner of the car, you own/have the responsibility for the maintenance of your car. Did you read the maintenance section of the car manual which describes what needs to be done and when? This is not the fault of the dealership.
jktshff1 on 03/11/2010:
If you don't read your owners manual and maintenance schedule when you purchase another car, you are going to have the same problem.
Slimjim on 03/11/2010:
Buy American, you won't have to worry about reading the manual and finding when to change the timing chain( I think your Kia is actually a belt). At least now that Saturn is gone, that is.
Anonymous on 03/11/2010:
".....with my months old Grandson in the back seat in the middle of Summer....."

That just blows but at least your A/C was working!
Right, Slim?
Slimjim on 03/11/2010:
True zz, the Dodge has to AGAIN get the A/c serviced as soon as it gets hot enough to warrant the effort. Wonder what buzz would say about that right now.
jktshff1 on 03/11/2010:
Slim, we agree the majority of the time, but that is like telling someone not to read the fine print. There is quite a bit of info in the owner's manuals as well as the schedule for maintenance that you can put mileage, what was done etc.
Anonymous on 03/11/2010:
I think timing chains have been replaced by timing belts. The consensus by most car experts is replacing the timing belt at 60K miles, preferably before. If your car has an interference type engine, this is critical. AS the others have pointed out, this information is in your owner's manual. Your responsibility.
Slimjim on 03/11/2010:
Agreed JK, I was just kind of throwing a bone to the much maligned GM brand here on that one part. My 07 caddy still uses a chain and does not call for its replacement as normal maintenance. Nor my Buick, with 100k on it.
jktshff1 on 03/11/2010:
I understand. My van is up for belt replacements. Just got to stay in town long enough to do it. Gee I miss the non-electronic car days. Guy with an adjustable wrench, set of sockets and screwdriver could do anything.
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Kia Does Not Stand Behind Authorized Dealer Repairs
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I had my Rio repaired at an authorized dealer. They put in the wrong screw on the head gasket and it had to be repaired out of state at another authorized Kia dealership. The old owner of the dealership is not helping with the $1600 repair job - he says it's the owner's problem. The new owner says it's the old owner's problem. These are brothers. When I called Kia to complain, they said they do not stand behind their authorized dealers.
     
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Hugh_Jorgen on 06/16/2006:
Did you contact the first dealer and give them a chance to remedy the problem before you had the repairs done elsewhere? Usually that is the very least you should do and a requirement of most extended warranties.
Doc J on 06/16/2006:
While it may not be a KIA problem, the dealership bears the KIA name. It's not unreasonable for the poster to expect KIA to be able to "encourage" the dealer to do the right thing. That KIA will not indicates the level of their true "value" of their customers. Thanks for the info about KIA's desire to remain distant of their dealers.
Anonymous on 06/16/2006:
Where are the dealerships located?
beanbagbritches on 06/17/2006:
Boy, you're big on people "standing behind" things, aren't ya? I read your other post about Ford...tee hee!
miketech on 06/17/2006:
Lincoln didn't stand behind repairs on my mom's car after the dealership sold out. I dunno who gives a ratts behind anymore.
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