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THD Unfair Employment Practices & Securities Fraud
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MADISON, ALABAMA -- 1. THD employer fraudulent activity after appointment (hiring) and during retention employment practices. I applied for the advertised Head Cashier job offered on their website and at indeed.com. I was offered the Head Cashier position for employment with THD. I accepted the Head Cashier position with THD. After completing the majority of the planned computerized training (about 42 hrs over 2 wk period included about an hour training on register), I started working on the register with real customers. I was scheduled, worked, and compensated in a "Cashier" position at THD for a period spanning over five (5) weeks. I was never scheduled, worked, or compensated in a "Head Cashier" position. Conclusion - This is fraud (misrepresentation) action and unfair employment practice. The "Cashier" job position is different and separate from a "Head Cashier" job position. The Head Cashier position is a supervisory position involves more responsibility etc and therefore more pay.

2. THD employer intentionally and repeatedly performs unfair employment practices by ordering/allowing employees to perform the duties and responsibilities of other job classes on a regular basis. During my employment as a "Cashier", I was told by my supervisor (Head Cashier) to relieve another employee in her position so that person could go on break. The position the other employee was performing at the time was the position "Customer Greeter". I performed this position for 15 minutes or so. Conclusion - This practice is so prevalent (almost every employee in the store, new and old, was involved in "jumping departments/job positions" that it is difficult to distinguish who is actually assigned to which department and in what capacity.

3. THD employer intentionally and repeatedly performs unfair employment practices by ordering/allowing employees to perform the duties and responsibilities of other job classes on a regular basis. During my employment as a "Cashier", I was scheduled and worked as a "Pro Cashier" on certain days and for certain hours and told to relieve a fellow employee performing the "Pro Cashier" job. The "Pro Cashier" job position is separate and different from a "Cashier" or "Head Cashier" position. The "Pro Cashier" requires someone with more experience and knowledge to service "Pro Customers" who spend more monies because they are professionals. Conclusion - This practice of "jumping job positions" by substituting another employee hired in a different job position is prevalent that Cashiers who have worked for THD for years do not realize it is an "unfair employment practice" to switch job positions on an employee by ordering/allowing an employee to "jump job positions" whether it is for breaks, lunches or "as scheduled".

4. Each job position is assigned certain job duties. Each job has a certain capacity where knowledge is required prior to employment to meet certain employer expectations and then acquire knowledge (training) during employment to remain employable. Each job has a certain degree of responsibility which may involve supervisory or management skills and knowledge. Each job is assigned a pay scale based on the assigned duties, knowledge, experience, skills, responsibilities, and may include supervisory or management compensation. Every company is required to define every job position within their organization. When an employee is hired in one position but ordered to perform the duties of another position, in other words, "jumping job positions" this is an unfair employment practice. The employee is not classified to perform the duties of the other position. The employee may not have the necessary job skills, experience or knowledge needed by the other position. The employee is not fairly compensated for their labor in other position. The action of "jumping job positions" is a violation of the Fair Labor Standards Act. It is unfair to the employee because the employee work performance is not properly recorded and the employee work record is not properly cited for performance of work of a higher capacity nor is the employee properly compensated for work performed requiring a higher degree of knowledge, skills or experience. All "Sales Associate" job positions (all jobs performed by employees in other departments or on the floor other than "Cashier" or "Head Cashier" positions) are paid higher than "Cashier" job and most likely more than "Head Cashier".

5. These "jumping job positions" skews the actual payroll expense for every department within the Store causing a "watered payroll effect" (payroll is one of the biggest expenses to any retailer) and therefore it is fraud (misrepresentation) of expenses (financial data and reports) to intentionally mislead and obtain employee and management BONUSES, employee purchased STOCKS, individual purchased STOCKS, and STOCK GAINS or DIVIDENDS.

6. The "watered payroll effect" is an INTENTIONAL MISREPRESENTATION of financial information that is relied upon to make financial decisions and therefore is a SECURITIES VIOLATION and every employee, supervisor, manager who participates in the "watered payroll effect" is committing and partaking in SECURITIES FRAUD.

7. THD employer intentionally and knowingly participates in unfair employment practice in training its employees. I was observed on three separate occasions and written up by a Head Cashier for not offering customers the THD credit card (offer each customer to open a THD credit card account). I was never trained in offering THD credit card. At the time of each observation and writeup, I was never advised by any of the Head Cashiers who are required to train cashiers. It was later I was presented the three writeups. My defense was I was never trained nor have any knowledge I was supposed to offer customers THD credit card. How can I offer something I have no knowledge about nor was I ever trained about. Conclusion - It is an unfair employment practice to train only certain employees while other employees are left in the dark. Fair employment practices covers recruitment, hiring, retention, training, termination, compensation and benefits.
It is just blatantly obvious you are bullying, threatening, and retaliating against me by writing me up 3 times and not training me.
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Store Credit, in Store & Online Customer Service, ADA Access
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Rating: 2/51
KINGMAN -- On 3/17/13, I returned some plants to the Kingman, AZ Home Depot store. The refund was issued as FOUR OLD “STORE CREDIT” cards (no pin). At the time of the issuance, I was not aware there was more than one type of “store credit” card. I attempted to make a purchase online using the “store credit” cards and a manufacturer’s coupon. I attempted FIFTEEN times and continually got the same error message “there is something wrong with this order”.

I finally called customer service and spoke with David who also had the same problem. He even called the store and the store told him they are the ones who told David that I had been issued the OLD TYPE of “store credit” cards and I would need to return to the store and get a new type card. I returned to the store on 3/18/13 and a customer service representative exchanged the FOUR old “store credit” cards and combined them into ONE NEW “store credit” card with a pin number. The CS representative, then proceeded to place my order (0000000), then she said she had to call another number to get my manufacturer’s coupon applied. She was left holding for 20 minutes and became extremely busy answering the phones, helping other customers and cashiers who needed her assistance.

All of this happened AFTER I was at the counter. She then told me it would be another 45 minutes of her holding (I heard her tell the person at the 800# that I could wait no longer and she hung up)…. Then the CS representative told me, I could come back when they were not so busy or I could call myself from home. I opted to call from home because I am disabled and was sitting in a riding cart because someone had permanently removed the lower counters & chairs in the store, no longer making the customer service counter handicap accessible!

At approximately 5:30 pm, I called the number to get the discount applied. I advised the online representative that I needed to get the manufacturers coupon applied to my order and my address was missing the N/S/E/W direction. She wound up cancelling my original order and trying to redo the order with the correct information. Jeanette also called the store to see if they could help her, the store said they could not. When my order was cancelled, it deducted the amount of the purchase from my “store credit” and the transaction could not be processed. I got off the phone with Jeanette at 7 PM. Yet I had received an email stating no funds were charged to my form of payment. Jeanette tried again to place the order, but it could not be done as the funds had not yet been returned to my “store credit” card.

I was told by the online representative the funds should be back on the card on 3/21/13.
I checked on 3/21/13, the funds were returned and I called and placed my order (Conf # 00000000) again, finally without a hitch.
I have spent three days and six hours on the phone trying to place this order. I have been offered a $20 e-certificate and a $10 store certificate from Coral (via Jeanette’s conversation with her on the phone) but have not yet received or picked up either.
I feel The Home Depot has some serious issues to address:

1) Stop issuing the OLD “store credit” cards without pin numbers
2) Help customers COMPLETELY through a transaction and not take one another customer until you are done with one.
3) Credit back immediately to “store credit” cards once a purchase is cancelled.
4) More help is needed in store when Customer Service counter gets overloaded.
5) Return a portion of the Customer Service counter in the store to be handicap accessible. You have parking, riding carts and bathrooms that are handicap accessible, why not a customer service counter?
I would like to have a response to this letter….specifically to the five concerns.

On 3/22/13, I received the following e-mail:

Hello Ms.

I am emailing you in regards to the experience that you had in the Home Depot store. I am terribly sorry for this inconvenience.

I have reached out to the management team of the Kingman Home Depot
store and they will contact you in 24-48 hours to further assist with
this matter. I will follow up with you no later than March 28 to confirm that you have been assisted by the store.

Your Home Depot Reference number is 0000000.

Again, please accept our apologies for the inconvenience this has


[snip] Loyal

On 3/23/13, I received a phone call from the Kingman Home Depot store apologizing for the things that happened in the store and advising me:

1) the OLD "store credit" cards have been removed

2) staff has been advised to call for more CS people to help when it gets too busy and the CS counter is in the process of being revamped to be handicap accessible. I was also offered a "discount" at my next in store purchase.

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Being treated like an identity criminal with my own credit card
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FRESNO, CALIFORNIA -- I have a Home Depot card, I've had it for ten years never missed a payment never late. I go to buy something with my card, and it says ask for assistance on the self check out line. I was treated like garbage, they called someone and the people on the phone wanted them to verify my drivers license, they did that, then they wanted to talk to me, they said I have not updated my account profile and they needed to verify my cell phone number, I made that profile 10 years ago, I had no idea what the cell phone number was, so she tells me to give the phone back to the sales person, then they want to know if I have a debit card, I asked why they wanted to know that, no answer, I get my debit card out and she verified once again it was my card. She told the person on the phone that it was a Visa logo on the card. Then they finally let my card go through.

I have never been so humiliated in my life, when I got home I called Home Depot customer service and got this stuck up hag from Tennessee I was furious and yelling at her and all she kept saying to me was she was not going to talk to me if I kept yelling at her, she threatened me if I didn't stop I was going to be listening to air, meaning she was going to hang up. I finally got fed up with her snotty arrogant I don't really give a crap attitude and I will admit I called her a very nasty name and hung up on her.

Home Depot better get their customer service personnel in line, I still felt like I was being treated like garbage when I did nothing wrong. As far as I'm concerned they have lost my business.
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Time to Leave Them
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CANADA -- I've been a customer for over 15 years and always run credit for my clients. I'm part of a small group of property managers. Normally around year end we will have people who are late paying us. This year I received several calls before my bill even shows up telling me I'm late with payments. I explained that I don't have my bill yet and that the best time to call me is not 8:04 am. Again, this week I got another call at 8:04 am telling me I'm over due with a grand total of $43. The next day again the calling and again. HD has shown a total disregard for our relationship and utter contempt for me as a client. I don't know why this has changed but it's time for me to do something about these rude invasive calls.

What they don't realize is I'm also a financial blogger and represent 8 other property managers with over 300 units. We've discussed this to see if the others are getting the same abusive treatment. Sure enough they are. Normally by the end of Feb our clients are paid up. So we are all cancelling our credit facilities with them and going to our local suppliers who are now willing to match the prices and their credit actually cost less.

As a business guru with 40 years of experience I can tell you how much it costs them to get a customer and how much it will cost them to lose us. I'm the smallest in our group and worth about $10,000 in any given year. I would encourage anyone who is being subjected to their abusive behavior to pay out your bill and talk to your local supplier about credit terms. This is the only way to teach a company like this a lesson. We are people not numbers. They need to see the number disappear before they will smarten up.
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Home Depot Is a Horrible Place to Work, and Has a HORRID HR Dept.
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PORTLAND, OREGON -- A few key points of back story:

I dated a guy I worked with (Henceforth known as Gary, not his real name.)who is a serial emotional abuser, and has caused multiple situations at work... I broke up with Gary.

I filed a complaint with HD about his horrible and disrespectful behavior towards me and other people at work, and informed them about his compulsive lying and how I was worried that he would file a report with false allegations against me.

Gary went nuts, tried to HIT ME WITH HIS CAR. Luckily, I dodged well enough to not get hit. I called the police, police tell me there is nothing they can do because a) I didn't call 911 when it happened and B) he didn't actually hit me, despite his tries.

I told work about the incident with the car, and said I did not feel comfortable working in the same building with him where I have nothing to protect myself with. Work has since done everything they can to push me out, conducting a witch hunt against me, (writing me up for every little thing, but not punishing others for the same minor transgressions, etc.),

Had a meeting with the District HR, who told me that Gary did file a complaint against me (which was filled with false allegations), and when I asked when it was filed, they said it was filed 2 days before mine, which was not possible because he was on vacation and out of the store. It turns out they held on to my complaint for 2 days, and sent his complaint in before mine. The HR woman was very accusatory in her tone, and kept blaming me for the situation. Then the HR woman told me "(Direct quote) It sounds like I was on the bad end of a bad break up, and it looks like I'm trying to get retribution through the store, and I need to leave it up to the higher power that (NOT IF) I believe in." I was floored.
I told a few friends of mine about the incident with the cars, and the HR meeting, mostly to get their perspective on whether or not I was overreacting and what I should do, and how displease I was with the process. Someone apparently overheard and complained about my attitude towards Home Depot and Gary.

Then, today, I got a final write up (one step away from being fired) because I wasn't showing Gary respect. By telling someone the truth about what happened to me, I wasn't showing Gary respect. They also included that me expressing my displeasure with the Home Depot is not being respectful either. I responded with "RESPECT??? RESPECT??? HE TRIED TO HIT ME WITH HIS CAR. I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP" and the idiot manager responded with "Well, if I did something bad, I wouldn't appreciate people at work talking about it either".

I have always been the best in my department at what I do, and in fact despite being massively understaffed, I get most of the work done ahead of time. I have been there 6.5 years, and I have a history of being truthful and reliable, whereas Gary has a history of constantly being late, rude and lying to and about people at work. They are actively protecting him, and I think that is disgusting.
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Hidden Costs and Horrible Experience With the Carpet Floors Dept
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ANNAPOLIS, MARYLAND -- I just decided to sell my condo. I need to do this expeditiously and with as least cost as possible as I don't make a lot of money and am a single mom. So I decide that I could better my condo by replacing carpet and kitchen and master bath floors.

Home Depot has a sign that says carpet install complete for $97. I spoke to the sales person in the carpet dept at the Annapolis Home Depot and he told me that if you have more than 6 pieces of furniture per room it would be another $100 dollars per room. So of course I have a 7 years of toys and stuff and there are a lot more than 6 pieces of furniture per room. So I pack up a ton of boxes and furniture and hire the movers to take it all to a storage room I rent. Then I call Home Depot and make the measure appt.

I spent 2 hours on Saturday waiting for the measure person to come and measure. She was very pleasant. A few few days later measurecomp called me. I spoke to Greg, who yelled at me when I asked for a break down of the two rooms pricing. I didn't understand at first that there is not separate price for labor. But he was very gruff with me. I asked for a supervisor and spoke to Keith for 45 minutes. After speaking with him, I find out that he can only gave me a quote for one bathroom, the wrong bathroom. Apparently, the measure person who came out to did not include the master bathroom in the floorplan and I need the master bath tiled not the second bath. So I called the measure lady myself and found out that the problem: She mislabeled the diagram.... So I told Keith about this mislabeling problem. The master bedroom is labeled a foyer. So I tell Keith about the mislabeling and he says I have to have the measure person come back out and remeasure.

But I called her back and she said she would fix the diagram. Because it is hard to cut out time and wait half the day for these companies to come out. Then Keith calls Home Depot and tells them that I want labor only so they can't help me. Home Depot calls me and leaves me a cryptic message that indicates that can't do my carpet or tile work and they don't even leave a number to call them back at. I called them back and the manager of the carpet dept gave me the breakdown and on top of all the other issues I have had so far, there are hidden costs. Or costs that I didn't expect. For example: It is 100 per room with more than 6 peieces of furniture and 5 and under are $50 per room. No one told me this and I have been at the Home Depot several times for hours talking to the carpet employee staff.

Also there is a separate charge which is the same price as the carpet itself to take out the existing carpet. I was going to go with Home Depot because I had a credit card with them that I hadn't used but with all these costs that are not apparent, I don't know what to expect next. It has been an absolute nightmare. Why doesn't Home Depot train their employees to tell the customers all of the costs and not to have them learn after they get the estimate. It has been a terrible experience. It is not $97. It is $97 plus the cost to rip up the existing carpet and plus the cost of $50 per room to move furnitre. The price of carpet is high enough. But be honest with us customers before sending out the measure person. This has been an awful company to deal with. As a customer who isn't familar with carpeting and tiling, I would appreciate that Home Depot tell us up front what to expect. Knowledge is important and even a sign with the costs would be appreciated or an employee with the wear with all to tell the customer the hidden costs up front. Just beware!

Any assistance you can give me is deeply appreciated.
Do not order from Home Depot
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MISSOULA, MONTANTA -- Dear wonderful Home Depot :
To who it may concern I would like to share my concern with your customer service at the Home depot in the Missoula city. I am a General contractor from California and work with your customer service as well as the store manager on issues at my home store in San Luis Obispo, Atascadero and as well in Santa Maria. I have to tell you I have never meet such an individual as the store manager you have in Missoula , Orrion French who flat out lies to your face and tells you he will do anything to please you. His actions and the lies he tells you provide the proof he is not customer service oriented.
I am telling you this information first so you will understand what I have been dealing with for the last three weeks. I am in the town of Annaconda working on a one and only master bathroom for my aunt, with my dad, and his two other brothers. This required installing new drain lines, new copper lines, new flooring new framing, new insulation, new bathroom fan, new cast iron Kholer bath tub and new Swanstone surround. All of these materials were purchased at Home Depot with no hesitation. Now the fun starts. The tub was ordered along with the Swanstone tub surround on 9th of August 2010 with your sales associate Greg Bennett at your Missoula Home Depot. We asked for a time frame for delivery Greg at that moment said let me call and ask, he call your distributor on the phone who stated that 5 – 7 days it would arrive as its destination. The Swanstone tub surround would arrive 2 weeks later. OK Greg asked so it may arrive by Friday but possibly by Monday, but definitely would arrive on Monday. The distributor on the phone said yes that is correct. The order was placed and the time frame seemed to be working with the timing on the bathroom work. Greg did not post on the order under notes who he talked, when the time or the date when he talked with them, big mistake.
Friday came and went, Monday, Tuesday then on Wednesday 18th of August 2010 at 1:35pm we called Home Depot and asked where was our tub that was supposed to be delivered. They, fist Phill who was working in the department and later Orrion French asked for the order number to check on the order and to talk and ask the distributor about the order. Now I would assume that they would pull up the invoice and read the entire invoice – especially the notes at the bottom that stated ship the tub as soon as possible. It was in stock when we ordered and was still in stock when Phill and Orrion French called and inquired. We were told by your store manager Orrion French that the tub was placed on hold waiting for the delivery of the tub surround and that they are going to ship just the tub it and it will take two weeks to reach us now. Now I have dry wall installers asking if they can start work, and I have no cast iron tub to install – to finish drywall down to continue with the progress of the bathroom. I was told by Phill and by Orrion French that there is no way that Home Depot can get the tub any quicker than two weeks. I asked and inquired no you can overnight, expedite or express ship anything you want – please help me out and get it expedited so I can continue my project. Again your representatives told me there are no way they can get it any quicker than two weeks.
On Thursday, mad about the situation that the project is in – since in two weeks my vacation / work helping my aunt would be over my dad and I drove 120 miles 1:45 mins to get to Missoula to confront your representatives who were pushing me off. Orrion French and Phill of coarse are unreachable at the moment so at 8:15 am we start the scenario over with a new representative Tanya Kuhl. Who after a little bit of time actually has a good head on her shoulders and is very will to help customers in the store. Big help – she tells us let’s call the vender and find out what is going on. So she calls and finds out that they did send it out regular shipment- no express or no send this out rush. Nice Phill and Orrion French you did me a big favor. She asked if the tub could be returned and shipped faster, the distributor stated that it was just put on the truck and the truck had not left but was still being loaded. She was also informed we could overnight ship it, rush or expedite ship it to the store in Missoula and was amazed that Phill or Orrion French did not offer this to us.
For the next 4hrs, yes my dad and I stayed there in the Missoula Home Depot to get this tub – it was that important. We worked asked questions, inquired and waited for responses from the distributor and from Tanya kuhl the Home Depot representative on the availability of the tub getting shipped faster. So from 8:15 am until 12:15pm my dad and I worked with Tanya to get this tub. Orrion French realized that Tanya was helping us with our order, 9:30am in the store, that he messed up and told us “oh good Tanya is helping you, she will do right by you and get your tub quickly – no worries”. What in the world does Orrion French do in Home Depot besides hide out and just walk around? Placed and expressed over night order with your vender made possible through Tanya and Jill in your ordering and express shipping department. No at 12:15pm the order was in, it was approved and agreed by Home Depot that the distributor would pick up a large portion of the cost to ship the tub since they made the mistake and did not read the paperwork to send the tub. Home Depot would pick up a small portion of the cost to ship the tub. No the really fun part - 15 minutes later ( after we did some banking) while going for some lunch thinking that the tub issue was resolved and that we received a call from Orrion French the store manager that he personally canceled the order and that the tub would arrive 5 – 7 days from today. I told him you have to be kidding do you understand how much work we did to get the tub by Friday. He told me, you will just have to wait – that is the best we can do, but we could refund you money and give you +10 % and you could go order from Lowe’s. Let me understand this correctly first you mess up my order, don’t help me when you are at fault then you are paying me to go to your competitors’ because your unable to fulfill an order, interesting. I really wonder how often Orrion French does this because he was sure quick to offer this.
On that note I am still waiting for my tub that should have arrived 5 – 7 days and thinking that Orrion French needs to be fired from Home Depot and that Tanya needs to be promoted. I mean all Orrion French did is tell us lies in the store and on the phone. The following picture’s show the work order and the order number (note also the notes at the bottom of page) and a picture of the bathroom minus the glorious tub.
At this point I wish to show my concern with others visiting your store. First I will have to give them this letter and they can read the following instructions .
#1. Ask the person you are dealing with how long they have been in the department. In Missula they move people around to cover the different departments. I personally watched ten individuals from other departments work in the kitchen area taking orders and answering questions.
2. Ask the person you are dealing with how long they have been working in the department – more so how long have they been training. A lot of Home Depot employee’s get a shotgun introduction to work in the department they are working in – in other words the guy your ordering from may only have 4hrs experience training in their department.
#3. Ask about their name and department number – there may be several phill’s in the store and remember that may not be his regular department he works in .
#4. Ask if he or she is going on vacation or what days and hours he or she works. You want to reach them since you have spent hours placing and deciding on your fixtures and their color scheme.
#5. Find out if Orrion French is the store manager or works there or worse your in the Missula Home Depot – if he does run for the hills , your order is going to get messed up and he will stump any progress in you getting your fixtures on time. Go to Lowe’s – learn from my recent mistake.

T. Edwards Construction
Credit card holder, Pro products purchaser – how much longer ?
P.S. Maybe others can buy pass Home Depot and go directly to Lowe’s and eliminate the headaches that I am having. Maybe even order from their home town building supply shops, which I should be looking in to once I get back home.
Water Heater Installation Upcharges
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ARLINGTON, TEXAS -- On 7/16/2008, I needed a new water heater to replace the one that went bad.

I decided to go with Home Depot to get the unit installed. The reason for selecting Home depot being that I deal with a reputed corporation, and they would be fair and just in the pricing and that I won't have to face any surprises.

I visited Home Depot, and the CSR walked me through the installation charges, and then mentioned that I will have to call an 800 number and get the order going. She also mentioned that an installer or plumber's rep will visit the site and give an estimate and I order from there.

I went with a 50 gal electric heater priced at $349.00 and the installation charge quoted was $285.00. I felt that this was reasonable, considering that I needed the heater the same day.

So, I came home called the toll free number and ordered the water heater model. During the course of the order, I was asked several questions relating to the current heater it's location, placement, size height, capacity, access to it etc etc. The order desk quoted the same price I heard at the store ($285 + cost of water heater + permit fee 0f $70). I asked when will the installer come to look and tell me a firm price before I place a formal order. The order desk clerk said, no need to visit.. we have gotten all the information... you should be OK at this price... and if any code related issues, it will be extra and emphasized that it won't be much.

The installer (a husband and wife team) was a good guy and I have nothing to complain except for some additional items he said I needed to get into city code compliance. He said I needed the following items and they are detailed below.

1. A stand to keep the heater above the ground level. It is a galvanized 21" x 21" X 16" high stand capable of supporting the weight of the heater and the water.
I was told that it will be $195.00 plus taxes.
2. I was told I need a pan under the heater for collecting any leaky water. It is an Aluminum pan that looks like a Pizza pan, made of .032" aluminum. I was told that it would cost $90.00 plus taxes.
3. The 3rd and the last item I needed was a ball valve for water shut off, and I was told that it will cost $95.00.

These 3 additional items along with taxes were $391.00. I asked the installer why is it these trivial items are so expensive and I was told that's how much they cost. I had no choice at that time to go myself to the store and buy the 3 items for under $65.oo, because they can't wait while I am shopping. Basically I was put on a spot and had no choice and had to go with the situation I am stuck in.
Since I am dealing with Home Depot, I said I was going to take care of it with them rather than the installer. On calling Home Depot about the exorbitant prices for 3 items ( more than the cost of the new heater), they said they have no control over what contractors charge.
My question is: I pick Home Depot based on the fact that they select contractors based on their work integrity, service ethics, and their honesty and reasonableness of cost of services. I go with them because I feel that I won't get ripped off. In this case it was a grand day light robbery. The gal at the other end at Home Depot couldn't help resolve the robbery.
Just around the time of completion a person introducing himself as Home Depot service manager (with an HD red Apron) stopped by to see if every thing went OK. I brought the above subject on the over pricing, and his answer was that these are fixed by Home Depot... (contrary to what I heard from the gal earlier who wanted to get my credit card approval for extras). He was just a good old boy nodded head and told me to see the store manager.
I found out later according to the HD store clerk that this inspector who came was not a HD employee and he was a private contractor.

Here are my questions to the extras that I was charged for in the name of Code compliance that added up another approx $400.00.

1. The Stand retails at Lowe's for $34.98 (Lowe's model # 40S22U. This is a 1" tall stand rated for up to 65 gal heater and 900 lb capacity.
2. The drain pan 24", retails at Lowe's for $15.98 (Model # 34078). The similar pan in 26" size sells at HD under SKU # 424-804 for $19.97.
3. The 3/4" threaded ball shut off valve that was part of code compliance sells at HD for $7.97 (HD's SKU # A365-297).

The above 3 items (part of code compliance) the material cost is 35 +20 + 8 + $63, whereas in the final bill the 3 items were charged at $ 170 for stand, $90 for pan and $ 95 for the valve.
What a rip off! A mark up of 500% on 3 piddly parts.

I called the store manager on Monday 7/20, and he seemed to agree with my plight of over charges and said he will talk to the contractor and come back. He never called back for 3 full days. So finally I called him on Thursday the 24th to find out what he heard from the installer and what his resolution was. His answer was that these are standard charges for the items and it costs labor to install them and that is why the add ons are what they are. Basically in conclusion his answer was I am putting it in quotes as said by the HD store manager.
"Home repair services is a separate division and it is run by contractors, and we at HD have nothing to do, and you should call their number and deal with it". I asked him then why you advertise these services and push it big time in stores and can not monitor or control it or resolve the customer issues. His answer was the same gentle one I am sorry I understand your feeling. these are charges to install the items and you have to deal with them if you have any questions.

I am really upset with the whole thing. My prime reason for using HD was that a big company was backing up the work and I will be safe from fly by and dishonest contractors.

In this case Home Depot totally let me down. I have no respect or regard for these so called big corporations any more. It leaves a very bad and bitter taste after this experience. Each one Home depot and the contractor says the other one is the one that fixes these prices, and Home Depot totally let me down.

The final analysis:
The new water heater was an identical size to the previous one. The final job involved 4/5 soldered joints using flex copper pipe and 4 threaded connections and the re attachment of the wiring besides of course moving the heater to the location and setting it up. For a water heater costing 350 + $60 additional parts + $ 70 permit fee for a total of $480, the final price was $1207.
The labor for 1.5 hrs of work was roughly $727.00, as against an original estimate of $285. My question is what does the original $285 labor quoted get you in terms of services.

I request someone from Home Depot to respond to me their justification for these exorbitant mark ups on parts with no installation labor in the name of "CODE COMPLIANCE".
If Home Depot is honest and sincere should refund the excess, and come out clean.
In the mean time, I will go to every source available on the Internet to publicize this over charge, call local TV stations and media to investigate HD of these hidden surprise up charges and bring this business practice into compliance.

I did not realize that you could make $350 per hour installing water heaters.... may be I should quit my high tech engineering job and move on to this line of work, and choose my own time to do it!

A very upset CUSTOMER.

Humiliating Treatment
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WILISTON, VERMONT -- Monday, September 3rd, 2007

Home Depot
759 Harvest Lane
Williston, VT 05495
Attn.: Mr. Christopher Howard, Manager

RE: Humiliating Treatment by Store Personnel

Dear Mr. Howard:

I have been a loyal client of Home Depot since 1992. I have spent thousands of dollars in your store fixing six homes, all of them my homes, none for speculation, threw out my lifetime in the United States:

1. A house in Coral Gables, FL,
2. An apartment in Coral Gables, FL,
3. A town house in Hutchinson Island, FL,
4. A row house in Federal Hill Baltimore, MD
5. A farm house in Berlin, VT, and now
6. A town house in Hindenburg, VT

I have relied on the expertise of Home Depot for fifteen (15) years every where except in Vermont, where the whole world seems to tick at a different pace, I have had nothing by superb experiences with the knowledge, the willingness to help and the appreciation towards a client spending money in home Depot that could spend it somewhere else. Obviously, my preference for Home Depot has had been the return policy and the customer service quality, which other competitors either lack or are still catching up with yours.

The following is a recount of an unfortunate incident that took place approximately from 4:00 pm to 5:00 pm at the Home Depot located in Williston, Vermont.

I am in the process of fabricating slate-covered plywood panels.
Eighteen (18) cuts in total
I arrived at your store with the plans in hand
I asked the man in lumber if he could cut it and if he is accurate.
He said he could try.
He ruins the first 4’x8’ by cutting in 2” short in length. He did not double check his cut, I did it. He did not think that marking it in advance with a pencil and using a tape (which he said he did not have one) was necessary.
He cut another one correctly in length but one and a half inch (1-1/2”) longer that the measure (which he did not mark either).
Then his answer is “I can not be too accurate with this machine”
That response was so utterly unintelligent, incoherent and ridiculous that I told him that that I have had most of my cuts done at Home Depot for fifteen years, that the machine was accurate to the thickness of the blade and if he and that if he did not know how to use the machine, he should get someone else who did.

His reaction was to remove his protective eye glasses and whatever other gear he as wearing and tell a second person “you take care of him”.
The other person, who turned out to be skillful, knowledgeable and could make the cuts accurate to the thickness of the blade, by simply following common practice, apparently was not quite willing to help me either.
After five cuts, he asked me how many cuts I needed, I showed him the plans. I told him I was not sure.

He told me that the policy was, as written in the board, twelve cuts per customer, I said: ‘that is fine I get twelve cuts, pay for it, and come back for the rest. And is such a way I would be a new customer.

In the mean time, there was a woman (the only other client in the entire hour that needed a cut) waiting for a cut, he asked me if he could take care of her, and even though the twelve cuts per customer had not happened yet in my request, I said yes, I am not in a hurry.

He performed another cut, and then there was as another customer with a question unrelated to cutting, I said: - take care of him since I was not in a hurry.
While he was gone, I took the time to expedite my request by pre-marking my cuts.

Then he comes back and the first thing that he asked again was “How many cuts do you have, but his tone was as if I was doing some thin illegal, I was unreasonable in my request and as if he was doing my a favor instead of he doing his job.

I lost my temper, and told him that I was sick and tired that he keeps asking the same thing, he said “Am I not helping you?

Well, not really if he disappear to take care of others and comes back as if I was a pest. He asked me how many cuts and I said I don’t know ,twenty!
I guess he did not appreciate that I had taken the time to pre-mark the boards, of that I have waited, or that the previous individual had ruined two cuts.

So, he left and in RETALIATION, he sent, Steve a 300 lbs bouncer-three times my size, whose first words coming out of his mouth, in an intimidating manner were, “We are not going to make those cuts you want” He never said or bother to ask what has happened, or how may I help you?

I told him: “you were sent here to get rid of me, because of what you were told. He did not ask how many cuts were actually made or ruined.

He gave me the excuse that your store can not make cuts less than 12” inches, but failed to tell me that the cuts that I needed could be cut out of 4’x8” so that the remaining is always 12” or more. He was insolent arrogant and humiliating, unhelpful and abusive.

I told him that he can cut any size if he really wanted; he just did not want to do it. So he made one cut to put me in my place. I asked him who the store manager was and he said he was the manager. I told him he was not the manager but he refused to give me your name.

I went to the Customer Service Desk and a lady gave me you name, told me that you had gone for the day.

On my way out I came across Steve. I asked him when you and he would coincide in the store, and he told me he did not know, because you were always in meetings. It appears as if no one in Home Depot knows their manager’s schedule. Quite a disturbing situation for a store that size!

Out of this incident my perception is:
1. You employees are there to shot the breeze
2. They do not give a dam about the customers
3. They lack proper technical training
4. They are reluctant to help
5. Home Depot relies on the lack of competition in Vermont
6. You could not care less
7. They get a job with home Depot because they can not do anything else in life
8. They are there until something better shows up
9. Your customers are not rich people that can spare the trouble pf building by paying others, you are to goal is to serve the hard working and diligent people that honestly try to do their best in life.
10. You do not hire a bouncer to intimidate and abuse a customers
11. Home Depot is not a Night Club it is a Home Supply Store.

I do not expect or insinuate that these individuals’ jobs are jeopardized for this may be the only thing they are able to do in their life to earn a living, and I know how difficult it is to make it in life, but I expect a written apology from the three of them. If such apology does not happen, I will take this incident to higher levels for abusive and humiliating treatment.


Alejandro Fuentes

CC: Home Depot Head Quarters
Enclosures: Plans
Don't let the delivery drivers in your house.
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SEATTLE, WASHINGTON -- We walked into Home Depot knowing exactly what we wanted. We pointed at the GE Profile Harmony washer and dryer and said, “We’ll take it.” The guy rang it up and told us we had to finish the transaction at customer service. Before we left we told the salesmen to please make sure the paperwork comes up in our name. Home Depot takes great pride in demanding all your personal information and keeping it in their systems. We got up to customer service and sure enough the receipt was not in our name. Same last name, but some other person’s first name. They tried to tell us it didn’t matter. We told them if we wanted to get our tax rebate for buying an energy star appliance it needed to be in our name. Back to the appliance section we went. The sales girl rang it up (the original salesman has gone immediately off shift after our purchase). We back up to customer service and none of the price discounts has been included. This meant yet another trip to get it corrected.

We were supposed to have our washer and dryer delivered the first time 2/24/07. The delivery and installation were not going to be easy. They had to be brought in the back of the house, down some stairs to the basement and squeezed into the laundry room. But hey, Home Depot didn’t specify any delivery parameters. The delivery guy shows up and tells us our site isn’t ready. The plug in is not correct and the plumbing will have to change because the washer machine is so much more powerful (LIE #1), we won’t be able to let the washer machine drain into the utility sink, it’s much to powerful. That’s what he told us. He suggested we refuse delivery so keep our options open. Because if we refuse delivery Home Depot has to reschedule which would give us time to make the changes necessary. If we took possession Home Depot wouldn’t have to do anything for us. Needless to say Home Depot didn’t tell us any of this, probably because everything other than the plug in (which was a 5 minute fix) was complete BS on the part of the delivery driver. By this point the delivery driver’s helper had taken the washer and dryer out of their protective boxes. We saw this and said we’d take possession after all because we didn’t want our $2000 dollar washer and dryer bouncing around in the back of his truck. He assured us it was going strait back to the warehouse and would be protected, but that he just cancelled the order so if we took possession he wouldn’t get paid. So once again, like idiots, we trusted this guy. Needless to say we went to Home Depot. To their credit they gave us the dryer plug-in we needed and an extra 10% off. They also told us the washer machine used half as much water as normal machines and would have no problem draining into the utility sink (the nice LIE told by the delivery scumbag).

The second delivery was scheduled for 3/3/07. The delivery driver didn’t even bother to show up. He called at 5:30pm– did not stop by our residence-but called to tell us our merchandise was damaged and did we want to take possession? We were naturally upset as he assured us this wouldn’t happen. Once we told him we wouldn’t take possession of damaged goods he abruptly HUNG UP. We immediately called customer service and reported him and told them NOT to send this delivery driver to us again.

Delivery was rescheduled for 3/7/07. We waited and no one showed up. We called customer service to ask where the delivery was. It was at this time we were informed that we had been black listed for threatening the delivery driver with a gun. No one from the company had ever called to inquire about this, no police were called and no complaint was lodged with the authorities.

The bottom line is this delivery driver came to our residence the first time and saw how hard the install was going to be and didn’t want to do it-what’s he care he apparently gets paid either way. He lied to us the first time telling us to refuse delivery because our site wasn’t ready. We trusted him as the installer and took his advice only to find out from Home Depot he had lied to us. The second delivery was late on a Saturday. He didn’t even stop by and show us the merchandise-only telling us it was damaged via the telephone. This also turned out to be a lie as we have the very same washer and dryer in our home TODAY.

Where is the paperwork from the company saying we refused the merchandise? My entire complaint is that this company took my money for their services, lodged a FALSE accusation against me without any substantiation whatsoever and then refused to follow through with the service I paid for, keeping my money. I thought we were innocent until proven guilty in this country? Threatening someone with a gun warrants a call to the police. Their records say I refused delivery, that’s difficult to do when no one shows up. You have to fill out paperwork to refuse a delivery. So where is it?

There is no logical reasoning to their accusation. The driver calls us to tell us our merchandise is damaged and do we still want it and what? We say no and if you bring it here we’ll shoot you? I didn’t spend 6 years in college to make asinine comments like that. That is the bottom line. The delivery driver stood me up and when I called to complain to his company about his rude behavior he lied about me to protect his job. I want my money back for a service I paid for that they never provided.

I take the utmost umbrage at being accused of threatening someone as gunpoint and I will fight this to the very living end.

This is getting old and I wish consumers would smack these companies down with the power of the purse. We are the customers that are lining their pockets and when they are out right STEALING from us they treat us like DIRT.

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